Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

"

Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds
related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in
that with an earth scienceandphysics minors)..


So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a narrow
field of earth science or something else and are teaching the broader field
of "earth science" in high schools. How does this contradict anything I've
said?

I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science.
SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with
biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT,
Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral
engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science.




.and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point
you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about...

What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it out?
I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any degrees in
science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're discussing the
facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather than who said them
or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in the Wiki quote.
Please tell.


It gets even better he

BA in Earth Science:

http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html

They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't go
on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets.

I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math.


http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm

"A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions"

http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3

2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's degree?

"Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level
positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified
applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the geosciences
should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed for
advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research
positions."



Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the
biology!

http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45

Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!!

It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus.

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
"

Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds
related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in
that with an earth scienceandphysics minors)..



So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a narrow
field of earth science or something else and are teaching the broader field
of "earth science" in high schools. How does this contradict anything I've
said?

I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science.
SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with
biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT,
Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral
engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science.





.and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point
you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about...


What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it out?
I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any degrees in
science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're discussing the
facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather than who said them
or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in the Wiki quote.
Please tell.


It gets even better he

BA in Earth Science:

http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html

They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't go
on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets.

I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math.


http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm

"A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions"

http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3

2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's degree?

"Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level
positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified
applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the geosciences
should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed for
advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research
positions."



Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the
biology!

http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45

Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!!

It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus.






Ya know...you're beginning to sound like a psycjopath pendant...we
alrady know that there is no one on the face of the earth who knows more
or has experinced mroe than you..so I'll bow out of this discussion now
since it's obvious thjat the rest of us lowly creatures can
't compete with your opinions... you were much nicer when you were on
meds...

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 22 May 2007 20:39:13 -0700, Joe wrote:

On May 22, 10:32 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...





On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Was the wind created

Did the wind create itself out of nothing?

Is the wind eternal?

Joe

What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school?

Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the
dynamics of wind.

Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy.

Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds
just
appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it
require some creation?

An intelligent design?

And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the
variations
of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe
are
included in the basics formulations to answering the questions.

Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is
a
"superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all
the
systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly
insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept
a
higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind.

He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life.

Joe

I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also
call
Him God or Father.

Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into
existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people,
take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good
and
there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God
has
also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven.

People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another
manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are
forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their
folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all
eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord.

Wilbur Hubbard

The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute
it to luck.

Joe

I'd rather be lucky than good.

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd rather be good than lucky.

Joe

In your case, you should jump on whichever you are offered.

In your case you've had to get used to being neither.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just
appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it
require some creation?

An intelligent design?

And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations
of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are
included in the basics formulations to answering the questions.

Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a
"superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the
systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly
insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a
higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind.

He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life.

Joe


The best answer can be attributed to the real Cyrano de Bergerac

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=003...3E2.0.CO%3B2-0

People would ask why doesn't x happen or why doesn't y happen, all used to
confirm the existence of a grand creator. His reply was simply, "How could
it be anything else?".

Most of the wind is caused by relative motion due to the earth's rotation.
Why does the jetstream flow against the earth's rotation? With sunrise
heating and the like it should flow in the other direction. Think about it.

Why do ocean currents flow against the earth's rotation at the equator
(where the tangential velocity of rotation is the greatest) but not at the
latitude extremes?

Go ask an earth "scientist". They'll tell you it all comes from pressure,
temperature, hairspray, SUV's etc. Ask a physicist, they'll tell you it all
comes from the earth's rotation.

Why do hurricanes rotate in a particular direction? If the earth turned in
the other direction would hurricanes reverse rotation?

The major cause of sea level changes is the moon, the second major cause is
the sun. Earth scientists will tell you it is "global warming" - ie driving
SUV's!

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
"

Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds
related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS
in that with an earth scienceandphysics minors)..



So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a
narrow field of earth science or something else and are teaching the
broader field of "earth science" in high schools. How does this
contradict anything I've said?

I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science.
SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with
biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT,
Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral
engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science.





.and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point
you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about...


What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it
out? I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any
degrees in science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're
discussing the facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather
than who said them or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in
the Wiki quote. Please tell.


It gets even better he

BA in Earth Science:

http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html

They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't
go on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets.

I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math.


http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm

"A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions"

http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3

2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's
degree?

"Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level
positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified
applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the
geosciences should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed
for advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research
positions."



Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the
biology!

http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45

Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!!

It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus.






Ya know...you're beginning to sound like a psycjopath pendant...we alrady
know that there is no one on the face of the earth who knows more or has
experinced mroe than you..so I'll bow out of this discussion now since
it's obvious thjat the rest of us lowly creatures can
't compete with your opinions... you were much nicer when you were on
meds...

Very little of my opinion has been introduced in this entire thread.
Everything I said was backed up with fact, references to several
universities and the federal gov't. My thesis is that Earth Science majors
are light on science. I supported that argument with curricula and
requirements for employment. I did not introduce the "bwahahaa" into to
thread or attack any sources. I just kept building my case on fact.

As far as me knowing more than everyone else on the face of the earth or
having more experience, how could you possibly draw that conclusion based
upon what I have said about Earth Science majors? Dave was the one to
originally assert what I maintained and showed to a good degree with
external references. Now does he know more than everyone else too? Is he so
experienced?

I never claimed to have any special knowledge in this discussion nor did I
engage in any personal attacks or snide comments ( the pit toilet cleaning
is a real duty of the job position mentioned). However, further up in this
thread one finds:

On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:20:33 -0400, katy said:


Sorry tyour school was so deficient.


Hmm. From your description, it sounds like some kind of science for
dummies--the ones who couldn't hack chemistry or physics.

It's a freshman course...before you take Bilology, Chemistry and Ohysics
and is required subject in many states....you ahve a problem with learning
about the earth? Is it any more or less valid than taking Biology? As a
sailor, I am very surprised at your remarks. One of the labs the kids like
most is using the wave table to generate different wave patterns to see the
erosion efect and effect on floating bodies ( as in matter)...SO where did
you learn about karst topography? Or volcanixc systems or tectonic plates?
In 9thgrade what did you know about earthquakes or their origins or the
epochs of the earth? From your attitude, not much."

Need I say more?

If your feelings are hurt, I truly apologize. My point was simply to offer
up that "Earth Scientists" may have less science education than engineers,
computer engineers and other "non-science" majors. I believe it is important
for others to know this because these very "Scientists" are
predicting/echoing global warming/cooling/warming/cooling/disaster/doom and
are affecting the very lives, livelihoods, educations, social structure
based solely upon their credential as "Scientist".

Amen!

BC

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

Most of the wind is caused by relative motion due to the earth's rotation.
Why does the jetstream flow against the earth's rotation? With sunrise
heating and the like it should flow in the other direction. Think about
it.

Why do ocean currents flow against the earth's rotation at the equator
(where the tangential velocity of rotation is the greatest) but not at the
latitude extremes?

Go ask an earth "scientist". They'll tell you it all comes from pressure,
temperature, hairspray, SUV's etc. Ask a physicist, they'll tell you it
all comes from the earth's rotation.

Why do hurricanes rotate in a particular direction? If the earth turned in
the other direction would hurricanes reverse rotation?

The major cause of sea level changes is the moon, the second major cause
is the sun. Earth scientists will tell you it is "global warming" - ie
driving SUV's!


http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/global/jet.htm

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/23/2007 9:07 AM:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote:
* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/22/2007 9:54 PM:

"katy" wrote in message
...

Bob Crantz wrote:

Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics,
chemistry
and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth
science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics,
chemistry and biology.

Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But
yet
not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an
earth scientist, just ask Al Gore.

Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex
principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field.
When
one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model
earth
systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely
competent
in the field.



You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science


http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html

A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and
chemistry.
In fact, real colleges:

http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml

won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science".
"Earth
Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the
only
job you can get with that degree.

Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this
way,
if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely
be
in earth science.

I don't think they're "light" on the science he
http://eapsweb.mit.edu/
or he
http://eesc.columbia.edu/
or for that matter...William and Mary in Williamsburg and many, many
more....

Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as
Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already said.


Of course it does. Here's the link:

http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html

You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or
Planetary. In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in
these fields.

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as
Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already
said.
Of course it does. Here's the link:

http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html

You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or Planetary.
In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in these fields.


Thanks Jeff. I looked but could not find the actual title of the degree
offered. Where does it say BSES as in "Bachelor of Science in Earth
Science"?

As you can see SUNY offers a BSES:

http://www.fredonia.edu/department/geosciences/es.asp

Cause & Effect ~ The Wind
 

Joe wrote:


It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute
it to luck.

But more wanting to observe something intricate and attribute it to
intelligent design.

Cheers
Marty
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* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/23/2007 12:00 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as
Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already
said.
Of course it does. Here's the link:

http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html

You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or Planetary.
In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in these fields.


Thanks Jeff. I looked but could not find the actual title of the degree
offered. Where does it say BSES as in "Bachelor of Science in Earth
Science"?

As you can see SUNY offers a BSES:

http://www.fredonia.edu/department/geosciences/es.asp

I don't know why the exact title is so important to you. However, the
the Department of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences in the
School of Science offers this degree:
Bachelor of Science in Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences