On Apr 18, 8:05 pm, OzOne wrote:
I'd hate to be losing...

At least all Ozzers are not prone to become losers.

Downer defends Australia's stand on Iraq



A victory in Iraq would be a victory against terrorism regardless of
what the British High Commissioner to Australia claims, Foreign
Minister Alexander Downer says.


In an address to the National Press Club on Wednesday diplomat Helen
Liddell said that Iraq was never seen as part of the campaign termed
the "war against terror".


But Mr Downer on Thursday said that was not the opinion held by
British Prime Minister Tony Blair.


"I don't think anyone would deny Tony Blair's very strongly held
views, as the prime minister of Britain, about the importance of
defeating the terrorists in Iraq," Mr Downer told ABC Radio.


"There is absolutely no doubt, I don't think many strategists would
disagree with this, that if there was a western coalition US defeat in
Iraq it would be a massive victory to terrorists, in particular to al-
Qaeda."


The foreign minister said the importance of defeating terrorism was
reinforced overnight when nearly 200 people in Baghdad died in a
series of car bombs.


The overnight attacks were the deadliest in the city since US and
Iraqi forces launched a security crackdown aimed at halting the
country's slide into civil war.


But Mr Downer denied claims that the blasts were caused by Sunni
insurgents.


"That is a massive simplification, and I don't agree with you by the
way, and I have a good deal of experience on this issue and a good
deal of information," Mr Downer said.


"Most suicide bombings, I don't know in this particular case, but most
suicide bombings ... from terrorist attacks in Iraq are conducted by
al-Qaeda or al-Qaeda related organisations."


Mr Downer said the overnight bombings just reinforced Australia's
resolve to keep working towards peace in the area.


"Every time there's a suicide bombing of this kind that we've seen
overnight it just reinforces my determination not to hand over Iraq to
people like that," he said.


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Oz would be happy to hand it over to murderers...no problem.

Joe

Oz would be happy to hand it over to murderers...no problem.

Joe I don't disagree with you at all but I think it would be fair to
point out here that Oz is just trying to vocally stand up for what he
believes in. I don't agree with him but he does seem to have the
intelligence to make a good case and stand his own ground.....even if
we don't agree, got to give the guy props for a good troll or two that
provides a little entertainment.

On Apr 18, 9:45 pm, Bill wrote:
Oz would be happy to hand it over to murderers...no problem.

Joe I don't disagree with you at all but I think it would be fair to
point out here that Oz is just trying to vocally stand up for what he
believes in. I don't agree with him but he does seem to have the
intelligence to make a good case and stand his own ground.....even if
we don't agree, got to give the guy props for a good troll or two that
provides a little entertainment.

Not to worry Bill, I love his rants. Glad he's back.

Joe

Hand it over....You mean after we took it under the pretense that it
was some sort of danger to the US?

Okay it isn't really a danger to the US but does that mean that we
shouldn't be there to help those people who live in a country where
these sort of bombings take place? Most American soldiers who are in
Iraq feel that we are doing the right thing based off what they see in
Iraq, yet I have rarely ever seen the media interviewing these
people. I know a lot of Marines personally and they all tell me how
much good they feel they are doing by being there. I don't trust the
medias interpretation because they are not the ones in Iraq fighting
the war, talking to the people and living it every day. They only tell
the parts of the story they want you to hear to manipulate you into
feeling their side is right and we are doing the wrong thing there but
I always believe a soldier before a reporter. It's sort of a rule for
me. The soldiers say let us stay and finish this, so I say okay.

"Bill" wrote in message
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Hand it over....You mean after we took it under the pretense that it
was some sort of danger to the US?

Okay it isn't really a danger to the US but does that mean that we
shouldn't be there to help those people who live in a country where
these sort of bombings take place? Most American soldiers who are in
Iraq feel that we are doing the right thing based off what they see in
Iraq, yet I have rarely ever seen the media interviewing these
people. I know a lot of Marines personally and they all tell me how
much good they feel they are doing by being there. I don't trust the
medias interpretation because they are not the ones in Iraq fighting
the war, talking to the people and living it every day. They only tell
the parts of the story they want you to hear to manipulate you into
feeling their side is right and we are doing the wrong thing there but
I always believe a soldier before a reporter. It's sort of a rule for
me. The soldiers say let us stay and finish this, so I say okay.



Yeah, we're doing great things in Iraq.. getting a lot of innocent people
killed because of a war of choice rather than necessity. You really are
deluded it seems.

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OzOne wrote in message news
On 18 Apr 2007 22:18:35 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:

Hand it over....You mean after we took it under the pretense that it
was some sort of danger to the US?

Okay it isn't really a danger to the US but does that mean that we
shouldn't be there to help those people who live in a country where
these sort of bombings take place? Most American soldiers who are in
Iraq feel that we are doing the right thing based off what they see in
Iraq, yet I have rarely ever seen the media interviewing these
people. I know a lot of Marines personally and they all tell me how
much good they feel they are doing by being there. I don't trust the
medias interpretation because they are not the ones in Iraq fighting
the war, talking to the people and living it every day. They only tell
the parts of the story they want you to hear to manipulate you into
feeling their side is right and we are doing the wrong thing there but
I always believe a soldier before a reporter. It's sort of a rule for
me. The soldiers say let us stay and finish this, so I say okay.

Gawd Bill...
It never was a danger ,
There were few if any bombings before our invasion,
Soldiers are hardly gonna say they are doing the wrong thing now are
they?
Do your Marine friends have any idea why they were put there in the
first place (no WMD, No terrorist training and Saddam despised Bin
Laden)

Do you believe your Govt?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm



Those pesky facts... darn it.

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On Apr 19, 1:52 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message

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Hand it over....You mean after we took it under the pretense that it
was some sort of danger to the US?

Okay it isn't really a danger to the US but does that mean that we
shouldn't be there to help those people who live in a country where
these sort of bombings take place? Most American soldiers who are in
Iraq feel that we are doing the right thing based off what they see in
Iraq, yet I have rarely ever seen the media interviewing these
people. I know a lot of Marines personally and they all tell me how
much good they feel they are doing by being there. I don't trust the
medias interpretation because they are not the ones in Iraq fighting
the war, talking to the people and living it every day. They only tell
the parts of the story they want you to hear to manipulate you into
feeling their side is right and we are doing the wrong thing there but
I always believe a soldier before a reporter. It's sort of a rule for
me. The soldiers say let us stay and finish this, so I say okay.

Yeah, we're doing great things in Iraq.. getting a lot of innocent people
killed because of a war of choice rather than necessity. You really are
deluded it seems.

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What about the 100's of thousands saddam murdered?

You suggest we leave, and give the country to these mass murders? So
they can re-group and focus on exporting their ability to some place
like San Francisco, LA, ect..ect..ect..again. Al-Queida plays you like
a fiddle Jon.

Joe

On Apr 19, 2:45 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
OzOne wrote in messagenewsv4e2359h6jr0nh9gldaish2p7tlf42asr@4ax .com...
On 18 Apr 2007 22:18:35 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:

Hand it over....You mean after we took it under the pretense that it
was some sort of danger to the US?

Okay it isn't really a danger to the US but does that mean that we
shouldn't be there to help those people who live in a country where
these sort of bombings take place? Most American soldiers who are in
Iraq feel that we are doing the right thing based off what they see in
Iraq, yet I have rarely ever seen the media interviewing these
people. I know a lot of Marines personally and they all tell me how
much good they feel they are doing by being there. I don't trust the
medias interpretation because they are not the ones in Iraq fighting
the war, talking to the people and living it every day. They only tell
the parts of the story they want you to hear to manipulate you into
feeling their side is right and we are doing the wrong thing there but
I always believe a soldier before a reporter. It's sort of a rule for
me. The soldiers say let us stay and finish this, so I say okay.

Gawd Bill...
It never was a danger ,
There were few if any bombings before our invasion,
Soldiers are hardly gonna say they are doing the wrong thing now are
they?
Do your Marine friends have any idea why they were put there in the
first place (no WMD, No terrorist training and Saddam despised Bin
Laden)

Do you believe your Govt?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

Those pesky facts... darn it.

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It's a fact all the other Mideast countries in the region, some that
have more, and some that have less oil are all doing good, and have
created somewhat properious countries. Look at Kuwait for example. In
Iraq the world can see what a Stalinist-type regime can do to people.

It's a fact Saddam Hussein was paying $25,000 to the relatives of
Palestinian suicide bombers. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on
the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed
out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least
two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 - a bonus
for the families of martyrs, to reward those taking part in the
escalating war against Israel.

It's a fact Saddam lost the gulf war, and when he surrendered, he
promised to allow un-restricted inspections at any time. He did not
follow through on the commitment.

It's a fact he was shooting at American planes in the "NO FLY ZONE"
put in place by the UN to keep him from murdering Iraqi's who did not
support him.

It's a fact we offered Saddam an out. If you can remember (I doubt it)
President Bush said before we went in, that if Saddam and his boys
leave the country we would not go in.

It's a fact, you and OZ blame the USA, and ignore Saddams actions.

Those pesky facts.

Joe







Paul McGeough, reporting from the West Bank, was the only foreign
correspondent in the hall Monday night when a Palestinian official
handed out the checks. McGeough's story in today's Sydney Morning
Herald describes a very hellish twist on the Academy Awards:

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Apr 19, 1:52 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Yeah, we're doing great things in Iraq.. getting a lot of innocent people
killed because of a war of choice rather than necessity. You really are
deluded it seems.

What about the 100's of thousands saddam murdered?

Ummm... Saddam is dead dude.

You suggest we leave, and give the country to these mass murders? So
they can re-group and focus on exporting their ability to some place
like San Francisco, LA, ect..ect..ect..again. Al-Queida plays you like
a fiddle Jon.

These mass murders? You mean the ones doing the violence to each other?
They're mostly Iraqis who've hated each other for 100s of years.

Buscho/Cheney/Karl (Actung!) Rove seems to be doing a good job on you.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Do you believe your Govt?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

Those pesky facts... darn it.

It's a fact all the other Mideast countries in the region, some that
have more, and some that have less oil are all doing good, and have
created somewhat properious countries. Look at Kuwait for example. In
Iraq the world can see what a Stalinist-type regime can do to people.

Kuwait is not "somewhat prosperous. They're bloody rich. In Iraq, we had
Saddam contained and he posed no threat to his neighbors or us. If the
criteria was a bad guy in charge, excepting Bush, we'd be fighting in lots
of places. We aren't. It was a war of choice and now it's a civil war we
helped start.

It's a fact Saddam Hussein was ....

Those pesky facts.

Saddam is dead. You're living in the wrong century.




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