Guns outlawed in Japan
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:43:02 GMT, "Maxprop"
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So you think that all other murders couls push Japan up from the
bottom of the list to the US's unenviable position at the top?
I sincerely doubt that.

Of course not. But we're not comparing equal demographics here. Japan is
a
tiny country, albeit heavily populated, but nowhere near the landmass or
huge concentration of people found in the USA. Apples/oranges.

Max

Have you been to Japan?

Three times over the past 25 years.

Population density in cities is far beyond anything you have , a
recipe for social turmoil but it just doesn't happen.

Having far more land than the Japanese islands, we certainly don't
experience the population density seen in places such as Hokkaido, Tokyo,
and a few other cities. But sheer numbers don't lie. When you're dealing
with a population of 3 billion vs. 128 million, the statistical probability
of such things as shootings increases by at least a factor of nearly 24x.
And that's before taking societal or cultural factors into account.

The feasibility of disarming 128 million citizens is radically different
than doing so with 3 billion folks. That said, people still get shot and
killed by gun-wielding wackos in Japan.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message ...

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:39:16 GMT, "Maxprop"
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OzOne wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:52:31 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
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http://69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=184241



Despite the sad death, It's heartening to see that gun control is
working in Japan and most other nations that take it seriously
http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html

Japan, where very few people own guns, averages 124 gun-related
attacks a year, and less than 1 percent end in death. Police often
raid the homes of those suspected of having weapons.
The study found that gun-related deaths were five to six times
higher in the Americas than in Europe or Australia and New Zealand and
95 times higher than in Asia.
Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36
richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico
12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland
6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria
3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65;
Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden
1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic
of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England
and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong
0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

All this data, and the info on Japan is interesting, Oz, but what has this
to do with the USA? There are an estimated 300+ million guns in
circulation
here. How do you propose to eliminate them? Are you willing to accept
the
carnage and civil war that would ensue with a government gun grab attempt,
which, by all estimates, would fail miserably. And even if a gun grab
were
modestly successful, what do you propose to do about the remaining 100+
million guns that would then be illegally possessed.

Tragedies such as the Virginia Tech episode are most unfortunate, and are
no
doubt a by-product of our culture of guns and violence. But we are stuck
with the problem. It's waaaay too far advanced to solve at this point
with
gun control or gun grabs. A more reasonable approach might be to deal
with
the culture of violence so prevalent in movies, TV, pop music, video
games,
etc.

I've heard quite a bit of gun control rhetoric on TV over the past 18
hours,
and most of it centers around handguns, ostensibly due to the
concealability
of them. In light of this it's important to note that the second worst
shooting of this nature occurred in the 60s with a wacko picking 23 people
off from a clock tower on a Texas college campus using a high-powered
rifle
with a scope. Hardly a concealment issue.

Max



I was reading an article recently about all the changes that have been
made in society when so many said "It just can't be done".

Gotta start somewhere.


Jon made the same point about slavery. I asked him if he was willing to see
the country enter a period of civil war with hundreds of thousands dead,
infrastructure destroyed, and an economy in the toilet for decades in order
to grab guns and save a few dozen lives each year. So far no answer.

Max


He's Pacific time...he's probably still lolling in bed...

Guns outlawed in Japan
 

Maxprop wrote: They
can sleep well at night with the deluded belief that they did something
"good."


Well, that sounds a lot better than going to sleep with the abysmally
apathetic defeatist attitude that nothing can be done.

Cheers
Marty

Guns outlawed in Japan
 

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
Of course not. But we're not comparing equal demographics here. Japan is a
tiny country, albeit heavily populated, but nowhere near the landmass or
huge concentration of people found in the USA. Apples/oranges.

You need to stop sniffing the glue... much higher concentration per
mile in Japan. g



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Guns outlawed in Japan
 

In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
The feasibility of disarming 128 million citizens is radically different
than doing so with 3 billion folks. That said, people still get shot and
killed by gun-wielding wackos in Japan.

Ummm... 300 million, not 3 billion in the US last time I counted.

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Guns outlawed in Japan
 

In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Jon made the same point about slavery. I asked him if he was willing to see
the country enter a period of civil war with hundreds of thousands dead,
infrastructure destroyed, and an economy in the toilet for decades in order
to grab guns and save a few dozen lives each year. So far no answer.

I know you have terrible weather, but I actually went sailing.

A few dozen? We should be so lucky.

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Guns outlawed in Japan
 

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

bs deleted

The Amish did it!!!

g

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
The feasibility of disarming 128 million citizens is radically different
than doing so with 3 billion folks. That said, people still get shot and
killed by gun-wielding wackos in Japan.

Ummm... 300 million, not 3 billion in the US last time I counted.

Right. It only seems like three billion when in the Bay Area. g

Max

Guns outlawed in Japan
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:04:35 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:43:02 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:



So you think that all other murders couls push Japan up from the
bottom of the list to the US's unenviable position at the top?
I sincerely doubt that.

Of course not. But we're not comparing equal demographics here. Japan
is
a
tiny country, albeit heavily populated, but nowhere near the landmass or
huge concentration of people found in the USA. Apples/oranges.

Max

Have you been to Japan?

Three times over the past 25 years.

Population density in cities is far beyond anything you have , a
recipe for social turmoil but it just doesn't happen.

Having far more land than the Japanese islands, we certainly don't
experience the population density seen in places such as Hokkaido, Tokyo,
and a few other cities. But sheer numbers don't lie. When you're dealing
with a population of 3 billion vs. 128 million, the statistical
probability
of such things as shootings increases by at least a factor of nearly 24x.
And that's before taking societal or cultural factors into account.

The feasibility of disarming 128 million citizens is radically different
than doing so with 3 billion folks. That said, people still get shot and
killed by gun-wielding wackos in Japan.

Max


Get back to me with real numbers, Please.

Sorry--a 'minor' decimal problem there.

When were you last in Japan?
I'm looking at a ski trip in our winter.

1998. My wife went on business and I tagged along for the sightseeing.

Max

Guns outlawed in Japan
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote: They
can sleep well at night with the deluded belief that they did something
"good."


Well, that sounds a lot better than going to sleep with the abysmally
apathetic defeatist attitude that nothing can be done.

I never implied nothing can be done. The answers have been her all along.
So have some worthwhile laws, if only they'd be enforced instead of plea
bargained away every time a shooter goes to court.

Max