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In article , OzOne wrote:

Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.
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Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:


GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.


You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

Rabid liberalism...of course, if the media says they can, they can...we
are a nation of sheep...or lemmings...take your pick...one crazy person,
not even an American, ahs the ability to spark up the liberal mindset
even though every indication said he should have been locked away
somewhere...He knew how to use those weapons which indicates
experience...so how come his parents didn't know what he was up to?
What's their culpability in all this? Why did they send a sick kid off
to college rather than seek professional help for him? We always look
for blame in the wrong places in this country. Blame the kid and the
environment which bred and raised him...

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.

You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

I know you don't think so, but you can buy an assault rifle and a
semi-automatic handgun, not to mention cheap guns at gun shows with
zero wait.


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katy wrote:
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:


GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.


You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

Rabid liberalism...of course, if the media says they can, they can...we
are a nation of sheep...or lemmings...take your pick...one crazy person,
not even an American, ahs the ability to spark up the liberal mindset
even though every indication said he should have been locked away
somewhere...He knew how to use those weapons which indicates
experience...so how come his parents didn't know what he was up to?
What's their culpability in all this? Why did they send a sick kid off
to college rather than seek professional help for him? We always look
for blame in the wrong places in this country. Blame the kid and the
environment which bred and raised him...

Firstly, I never said "local gun store." That's Dave's illiteration
not mine. Most Americans want gun control, but of course the NRA won't
allow it to happen. Besides, we wouldn't want to restrict Cheney from
shooting lawyers now would we.


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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:


GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.

You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.


I know you don't think so, but you can buy an assault rifle and a
semi-automatic handgun, not to mention cheap guns at gun shows with
zero wait.


And that part is wrong...gun shows should be required to do background
checks, etc. just like any other gun dealer. And buying a gun should
require more than a valid driver's license. I have no qualms about gun
buyers having to prove their citizenship and a clean background
check...I just have problems with the stance that guns cause these
problems...they don't..bad people do...so screen out the bad people...

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

Dave wrote:

On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:



GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.


You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

Rabid liberalism...of course, if the media says they can, they can...we
are a nation of sheep...or lemmings...take your pick...one crazy person,
not even an American, ahs the ability to spark up the liberal mindset
even though every indication said he should have been locked away
somewhere...He knew how to use those weapons which indicates
experience...so how come his parents didn't know what he was up to?
What's their culpability in all this? Why did they send a sick kid off
to college rather than seek professional help for him? We always look
for blame in the wrong places in this country. Blame the kid and the
environment which bred and raised him...


Firstly, I never said "local gun store." That's Dave's illiteration
not mine. Most Americans want gun control, but of course the NRA won't
allow it to happen. Besides, we wouldn't want to restrict Cheney from
shooting lawyers now would we.


He used a hunting weapon...that would not be inclusive in what we're
speaking about...and there are idiotic gun accidents in the hunting
field every year...so that means ban the guns? I imagine Cheney has
taken a gun safety class...for whatever it's worth, that was a stupid
incident...maybe though, we should give more lawyers guns and antler
hats and let them loose in the woods...(not Dave, though...he's a good
guy...)

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In article ,
katy wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
I know you don't think so, but you can buy an assault rifle and a
semi-automatic handgun, not to mention cheap guns at gun shows with
zero wait.


And that part is wrong...gun shows should be required to do background
checks, etc. just like any other gun dealer. And buying a gun should
require more than a valid driver's license. I have no qualms about gun
buyers having to prove their citizenship and a clean background
check...I just have problems with the stance that guns cause these
problems...they don't..bad people do...so screen out the bad people...

That part is the important part that needs to be fixed. It's a hoax
perpetuated by the extreme right gun-toting that people who want
regulation want a complete ban or "blame" guns. Sure, there are people
on the extreme edge that advocate that, but that's unrealistic and
never going to happen.


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In article ,
katy wrote:
He used a hunting weapon...that would not be inclusive in what we're
speaking about...and there are idiotic gun accidents in the hunting
field every year...so that means ban the guns? I imagine Cheney has
taken a gun safety class...for whatever it's worth, that was a stupid
incident...maybe though, we should give more lawyers guns and antler
hats and let them loose in the woods...(not Dave, though...he's a good
guy...)

Chill. Cheney is just an asshole. He's not stupid.

I like the antler hat thing....


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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 11:39:23 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.

You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

I know you don't think so, but you can buy an assault rifle and a
semi-automatic handgun, not to mention cheap guns at gun shows with
zero wait.

So which is it:

Are you too stupid to know the difference between a machine gun and the guns
you mention above?

Sorry... I'm not a a firearm expert. But, feel free to tell us, since
you obviously are. I do know the difference between a rational
argument, wherein people argue the facts and name-calling.

So, which is it?

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 14:10:13 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

It's a hoax
perpetuated by the extreme right gun-toting that people who want
regulation want a complete ban or "blame" guns.

This from a guy who can't tell the difference between a semi-automatic and a
machine gun?


This from a guy who is interested in a civil society, rather than one
in tatters from unrelenting, unnecessary carnage.

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This from a guy who is interested in a civil society, rather than one
in tatters from unrelenting, unnecessary carnage.

Good rational argument.

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Are you too stupid to know the difference between a machine gun and the guns
you mention above?

Sorry... I'm not a a firearm expert. But, feel free to tell us, since
you obviously are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun
A fully automatic firearm. (hint they are already illegal)

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In article . com,
Bill wrote:
This from a guy who is interested in a civil society, rather than one
in tatters from unrelenting, unnecessary carnage.

Good rational argument.

Thanks. I'm glad we agree.




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In article . com,
Bill wrote:
Are you too stupid to know the difference between a machine gun and the guns
you mention above?

Sorry... I'm not a a firearm expert. But, feel free to tell us, since
you obviously are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun
A fully automatic firearm. (hint they are already illegal)

Hint: I know.




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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.

You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a machine
gun?

I don't think so.

Actually you can. But it's not quite that simple. You have to pass a
rigorous FBI background check which takes about 6 to 9 months. And you have
to pay for a Federal permit to own such a weapon. The permit, last I knew,
cost around $400 in fees, tax, and msc. charges per gun. You can also buy
almost any gun with a silencer as well, if you are willing to pay the fees
and can pass the same background check. What's truly interesting is that
those guns never get used in the commission of a crime. It's all the
illegally-circulating ones that do.


Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
katy wrote:
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 09:28:28 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
said:


GOD FORBID a few people can't own a machine gun.


You really think you can go down to your local gun store and buy a
machine
gun?

I don't think so.

Rabid liberalism...of course, if the media says they can, they can...we
are a nation of sheep...or lemmings...take your pick...one crazy person,
not even an American, ahs the ability to spark up the liberal mindset
even though every indication said he should have been locked away
somewhere...He knew how to use those weapons which indicates
experience...so how come his parents didn't know what he was up to?
What's their culpability in all this? Why did they send a sick kid off
to college rather than seek professional help for him? We always look
for blame in the wrong places in this country. Blame the kid and the
environment which bred and raised him...

Firstly, I never said "local gun store." That's Dave's illiteration
not mine. Most Americans want gun control, but of course the NRA won't
allow it to happen.

We have tons of gun control. The 1968 Gun Control Act, for example, and
myriad others, both at the state and federal level. When I was a kid, you
could mail order virtually any gun, including WWII Lugers and P38s, if you
were 18 or older.

Besides, we wouldn't want to restrict Cheney from
shooting lawyers now would we.

I would certainly hope not. g

Max

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Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 11:40:59 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Firstly, I never said "local gun store."

Very smelly red herring!

So just where is it you think these "few people" will be able to legally buy
machine guns, Jon?

Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.


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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 15:36:04 -0700, Bill said:

This from a guy who is interested in a civil society, rather than one
in tatters from unrelenting, unnecessary carnage.

Good rational argument.

I'd never accuse Jon of rational argument. g

I'd never accuse Dave of thinking clearly. g


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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 17 Apr 2007 11:40:59 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Firstly, I never said "local gun store."

Very smelly red herring!

So just where is it you think these "few people" will be able to legally
buy
machine guns, Jon?

Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of hoops as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI background
check etc.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions. It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of hoops as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions. It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

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Why have any laws at all, Max. They all get broken. Making murder a
criminal offense doesn't stop all murders from happening as far as I
can tell. So why make it a crime?

So it's all or nothing with you. people will always break the law so
making something illegal does not abolish the problem forever. It
only restricts those who are law abiding from taking those actions.
Making gun ownership illegal will only stop law abiding citizens from
owning them, not criminals. Criminals are the one that break the law
so it would do nothing to solve the problem.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the players are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the commission
of a crime.

Max

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In article .com,
Bill wrote:
Why have any laws at all, Max. They all get broken. Making murder a
criminal offense doesn't stop all murders from happening as far as I
can tell. So why make it a crime?

So it's all or nothing with you. people will always break the law so
making something illegal does not abolish the problem forever. It
only restricts those who are law abiding from taking those actions.
Making gun ownership illegal will only stop law abiding citizens from
owning them, not criminals. Criminals are the one that break the law
so it would do nothing to solve the problem.

No one is saying make their ownership illegal. That's just another
false "fact" in your diatribe.




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In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the players are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

Therefore, it must be true. Last year.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the commission
of a crime.

Has nothing to do with my comment.
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No one is saying make their ownership illegal. That's just another
false "fact" in your diatribe.

You haven't said anything The shooter at VT waited for his guns, he
didn't buy them that morning. He planned this out for an extended
period of time. It is also an exceptional case not the general rule.
At least Oz is saying that handguns are the problem. You have yet to
say anything to actually argue against.

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"Bill" wrote in message
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No one is saying make their ownership illegal. That's just another
false "fact" in your diatribe.

You haven't said anything The shooter at VT waited for his guns, he
didn't buy them that morning. He planned this out for an extended
period of time. It is also an exceptional case not the general rule.
At least Oz is saying that handguns are the problem. You have yet to
say anything to actually argue against.



I've said plenty, but you aren't interested in listening. There is no need
to have unfettered access to guns. Clearly, the system (whatever is
currently in place) is inadequate, given what happened. I haven't heard one
peep from you and those like you about any realistic solution nor even a
willingness to look at rational options.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a
submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the players
are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

Therefore, it must be true. Last year.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the
commission
of a crime.

Has nothing to do with my comment.

Halliburton does.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a
submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of
hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax, fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen
anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the players
are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

Therefore, it must be true. Last year.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it
happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the
commission
of a crime.

Has nothing to do with my comment.

Halliburton does.

Max


You're a stockholder?


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I've said plenty, but you aren't interested in listening.

I have been looking back at your posts and I haven't seen you give one
solution to anything or one thing you think we should do.


There is no need
to have unfettered access to guns. Clearly, the system (whatever is
currently in place) is inadequate, given what happened. I haven't heard one
peep from you and those like you about any realistic solution nor even a
willingness to look at rational options.

First I never said we should just have completely unfettered access to
guns. I never even implied such a thing. In fact I have said several
times that I think we should put more energy into enforcing the laws
we have instead of adding more laws to the mix. The ones we have are
adequate but not enforced 100%. I also see this as a very exceptional
case that should not spark an over emotional response into doing
something that would hurt more people than it would help. There is no
evidence that banning guns will stop violent crimes. I am not saying
we should just let eveyrone have all the guns they want. I never did
but you just get all emotional and think what you want instead of
actually looking at what people are saying.

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"Bill" wrote in message
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I've said plenty, but you aren't interested in listening.

I have been looking back at your posts and I haven't seen you give one
solution to anything or one thing you think we should do.


There is no need
to have unfettered access to guns. Clearly, the system (whatever is
currently in place) is inadequate, given what happened. I haven't heard
one
peep from you and those like you about any realistic solution nor even a
willingness to look at rational options.

First I never said we should just have completely unfettered access to
guns. I never even implied such a thing. In fact I have said several
times that I think we should put more energy into enforcing the laws
we have instead of adding more laws to the mix. The ones we have are
adequate but not enforced 100%. I also see this as a very exceptional
case that should not spark an over emotional response into doing
something that would hurt more people than it would help. There is no
evidence that banning guns will stop violent crimes. I am not saying
we should just let eveyrone have all the guns they want. I never did
but you just get all emotional and think what you want instead of
actually looking at what people are saying.



You continue to claim that I am in favor of banning guns. I'm not. Please
feel free to repost where I said that.

I am in favor of reducing the number of guns on the streets and of making it
very difficult for their purchase. The current laws do not rise to that
level. The assault rife ban is a case in point. It didn't go far enough, and
as someone else pointed out, was about what the weapon looked like, rather
than what it could actually do.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a
submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of
hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax,
fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen
anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the players
are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

Therefore, it must be true. Last year.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it
happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the
commission
of a crime.

Has nothing to do with my comment.

Halliburton does.

Max


You're a stockholder?

No, but I believe Karl (Achtung!) Rove is.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
Oh gee...let me think. How about a gun show? Nah, that would never
happen.

1) Yes, you could conceivably buy a machine gun--more likely a
submachine
gun--at a gun show, but you'd have to jump through the same set of
hoops
as
if you'd bought it from a licensed gun dealer. $400 federal tax,
fees,
etc., permit, 6-9 month waiting period, extremely extensive FBI
background
check etc.

Nope... when was the last time you were in a gun show that there
wasn't someone dealing under the table?

I haven't been to a gun show for quite a while, but I've NEVER seen
anyone
deal below the table. Everything is closely scrutinized and the
players are
above board. Now--when was the last time you were at a gun show--ever.

Therefore, it must be true. Last year.

2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private seller
without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above provisions.
It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So does it
happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

Sure. It's illegal. I'm sure no one breaks the law.

No legally obtained full-auto weapons have ever been used in the
commission
of a crime.

Has nothing to do with my comment.

Halliburton does.

Max


You're a stockholder?

No, but I believe Karl (Achtung!) Rove is.

Max



I believe you're right. Good for him! g


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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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2) You can't buy fully automatic weapons from a private
seller without
transacting the sale through an FFL dealer with the above
provisions. It's
illegal to do otherwise, thanks to gun control laws. So
does it happen?
Probably. What does that tell you about gun control laws?

that they need to enforce them better, like the drug laws.

Scotty

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:41:46 GMT, "Maxprop"


Why have any laws at all, Max. They all get broken. Making
murder a
criminal offense doesn't stop all murders from happening
as far as I
can tell. So why make it a crime?



Laws were meant to be broken.

OWH

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OzOne wrote in message news: one that break the law
so it would do nothing to solve the problem.


Ummm was not the guy in VT a law abiding citizen UNTIL he
started
killing?


Good point ozwald, there should be a law against killing,
no?

SBV