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Joe wrote:
http://www.wpbf.com/news/11419447/detail.html Big Boom huh? Joe It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... |
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katy wrote: Joe wrote: http://www.wpbf.com/news/11419447/detail.html Big Boom huh? Joe It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... Seems to me that they must be highly skilled sailors. Not many on this ng could sail that vessel from Cuba to Florida. Jim |
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JimC wrote:
katy wrote: Joe wrote: http://www.wpbf.com/news/11419447/detail.html Big Boom huh? Joe It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... Seems to me that they must be highly skilled sailors. Not many on this ng could sail that vessel from Cuba to Florida. Jim Many on this ng have done much more than that, without the help of 101 disease-infested Haitians... |
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On Mar 29, 10:52 am, JimC wrote:
katy wrote: Joe wrote: http://www.wpbf.com/news/11419447/detail.html Big Boom huh? Joe It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... Seems to me that they must be highly skilled sailors. Not many on this ng could sail that vessel from Cuba to Florida. Jim Hello Jim, With 110 passangers aboard as well. More last ditch desperation than skill. I think they came from Hati. I bet thats the skipper who would not get off the boat, looks like he tried to turn her and leave. Joe |
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katy wrote:
It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... Cheers Marty |
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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... JimC wrote: Many on this ng have done much more than that, without the help of 101 disease-infested Haitians... please bear in mind, when responding to Jim, he owns a Mac26MX. Scotty How many Haitians will it carry? He could always use them for ballast.... |
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Martin Baxter wrote:
katy wrote: It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... Cheers Marty When that was written the US was able and willing to do that...we are now overburdened by the world's poor and disewased...and I am not speaking of Mexicans or Canadians who share the American heritage. Why should the US remain the gatekeeper for a world that no longer respects us? I think a drop cloth should be placed over that placard until such a time as people realize that being a citizen of the US means much more than fleeing your own set of tyranny in your own country...too many come here rather than fix their problems at home. We have become "The Great scape". BTW, isn't there a lot of room left in the NW Territory? I know 101 Haitians that could help out the population there. |
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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... How many Haitians will it carry? He could always use them for ballast.... I've been to Haiti, it's nice. Why would they leave? SBV Haiti is nice? Sure you wern't at the Dominican Republic? Haiti is one of the poorest nations in the world..they have deforested their island to the point where they have jeopardized their own existence. They also have one of the highest incidences of HIV poositive and AIDS cases per capita in the world. |
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"katy" wrote in message ... JimC wrote: Many on this ng have done much more than that, without the help of 101 disease-infested Haitians... please bear in mind, when responding to Jim, he owns a Mac26MX. Scotty |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... Cheers Marty When that was written the US was able and willing to do that...we are now overburdened by the world's poor and disewased...and I am not speaking of Mexicans or Canadians who share the American heritage. Why should the US remain the gatekeeper for a world that no longer respects us? I think a drop cloth should be placed over that placard until such a time as people realize that being a citizen of the US means much more than fleeing your own set of tyranny in your own country...too many come here rather than fix their problems at home. We have become "The Great scape". BTW, isn't there a lot of room left in the NW Territory? I know 101 Haitians that could help out the population there. Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... How many Haitians will it carry? He could always use them for ballast.... I've been to Haiti, it's nice. Why would they leave? SBV |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... katy wrote: It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." I think it's time to give that monstrosity back to france. Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... We could send them to Mexico. Scotty |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... Cheers Marty When that was written the US was able and willing to do that...we are now overburdened by the world's poor and disewased...and I am not speaking of Mexicans or Canadians who share the American heritage. Why should the US remain the gatekeeper for a world that no longer respects us? I think a drop cloth should be placed over that placard until such a time as people realize that being a citizen of the US means much more than fleeing your own set of tyranny in your own country...too many come here rather than fix their problems at home. We have become "The Great scape". BTW, isn't there a lot of room left in the NW Territory? I know 101 Haitians that could help out the population there. Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country |
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"katy" wrote in message I've been to Haiti, it's nice. Why would they leave? SBV Haiti is nice? Sure you wern't at the Dominican Republic? Oh yeah, it was DR. Same same, no? Scotty |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Martin Baxter wrote: katy wrote: It's a wonder that thing didn't sink on the way over...3 weeks from Haiti? Obviosuly noone knew how to sail...wonder how many of them have AIDS...feed 'em up and ship 'em back....tell them next time to try for Venezuela.... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door." Nah, send 'em to some banana republic run by a man we detest...... Cheers Marty When that was written the US was able and willing to do that...we are now overburdened by the world's poor and disewased...and I am not speaking of Mexicans or Canadians who share the American heritage. Why should the US remain the gatekeeper for a world that no longer respects us? I think a drop cloth should be placed over that placard until such a time as people realize that being a citizen of the US means much more than fleeing your own set of tyranny in your own country...too many come here rather than fix their problems at home. We have become "The Great scape". BTW, isn't there a lot of room left in the NW Territory? I know 101 Haitians that could help out the population there. Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country The problem is the "wet foot/dry foot" policy. The Cuban refugees can come to this country illegally and stay as long as they wish. All they have to do is get off a boat or an inner tube and set foot on dry land. If they are intercepted prior to reaching land they get sent back. If they reach land they can stay. This is only for Cubans. No other nationality has this privilege. Haitians, even if they set foot on dry land are still considered illegals. I agree with this as you cannot simply open the flood gates and say anybody who manages to step foot on US soil can stay. The loophole for the Cubans needs to be closed, however. But, will our fine government close the loophole? Hell no. They want the Cuban vote so they cater to their every whim. Disgusting. Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur Hubbard |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? Who determines this? 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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They are escaping from Haiti. Didn't Clinton install the puppet leader of
that nation with the help of the US military? Send them to Cuba, they may be better off. Lloyd |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... Germany will let him in. He's a net Nazi! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal mexican labor. Who would clean anything? Here is a typical High School picture in California : http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...idedown004.jpg Notice the American flag the students raised on the school flag pole? Tells you just what many immigrant think about Old Glory and what they want. Joe |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal mexican labor. Who would clean anything? I'm sure you'd be quite good at being a busboy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mar 29, 5:19 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal mexican labor. Who would clean anything? I'm sure you'd be quite good at being a busboy. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are correct, but I make more working the deep fryer. Joe |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? |
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... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... If you're so concerned about American citizens, you should probably consider that our foreign aid expenditures to Haiti are miniscule compared to what we spend on Iraq. You sound like a liberal. non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? The Haitians are preventing people in the US from having babies? Are you suggesting we close the borders? Let's build a fence! That'll keep them out. I think you have a very narrow world view. Immigration and those returning to their countries who've been educated here and those who send money to their relatives in other countries are doing a great benefit to us. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... If you're so concerned about American citizens, you should probably consider that our foreign aid expenditures to Haiti are miniscule compared to what we spend on Iraq. You sound like a liberal. non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? The Haitians are preventing people in the US from having babies? Are you suggesting we close the borders? Let's build a fence! That'll keep them out. I think you have a very narrow world view. Immigration and those returning to their countries who've been educated here and those who send money to their relatives in other countries are doing a great benefit to us. Jon, didn't realize you were the reincarnation of Jesus Christ..but then, maybe not...even Jesus stated that the poor would always be with us...you know why? Because some people like being poor. Poor in mind...poor in spirit..poor in body. You are who you associate with. On a world scale, if we associate ourselves with the indigenous, letting them into our welfare system then that will make us poor. Personally, I've been there...and I can tell you I don't ever want to go back. ANother thing...you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. It gives you some kind of visceral pleasure to be obdurate and obnoxious. I am not the most lucid person on earth by any menas, but intelligent people here have tried to have logical discussions with you. ou don't discuss. You rant about your side of things. You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... If you're so concerned about American citizens, you should probably consider that our foreign aid expenditures to Haiti are miniscule compared to what we spend on Iraq. You sound like a liberal. non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? The Haitians are preventing people in the US from having babies? Are you suggesting we close the borders? Let's build a fence! That'll keep them out. I think you have a very narrow world view. Immigration and those returning to their countries who've been educated here and those who send money to their relatives in other countries are doing a great benefit to us. Jon, didn't realize you were the reincarnation of Jesus Christ..but then, maybe not...even Jesus stated that the poor would always be with us...you know why? Because some people like being poor. Poor in mind...poor in spirit..poor in body. You are who you associate with. On a world scale, if we associate ourselves with the indigenous, letting them into our welfare system then that will make us poor. Personally, I've been there...and I can tell you I don't ever want to go back. ANother thing...you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. It gives you some kind of visceral pleasure to be obdurate and obnoxious. I am not the most lucid person on earth by any menas, but intelligent people here have tried to have logical discussions with you. ou don't discuss. You rant about your side of things. You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK I'm not Jesus, but thanks. I think you'll have to ask him why the poor will always be with us instead of assuming you know the answer. And, then you offer a personal attack... intelligent people have tried, but I'm a failure. Sorry, doesn't wash. I think I've not been particularly obnoxious with anyone lately, certainly.... not for the last year or so. I don't know what you were trying to type with "obdurate." Sorry. Suddenly, I'm the one ranting, but Joe, for example isn't. I don't see you bashing him over much. Feel free to plonk away if that makes you feel better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mar 29, 9:55 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... If you're so concerned about American citizens, you should probably consider that our foreign aid expenditures to Haiti are miniscule compared to what we spend on Iraq. You sound like a liberal. non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? The Haitians are preventing people in the US from having babies? Are you suggesting we close the borders? Let's build a fence! That'll keep them out. I think you have a very narrow world view. Immigration and those returning to their countries who've been educated here and those who send money to their relatives in other countries are doing a great benefit to us. Jon, didn't realize you were the reincarnation of Jesus Christ..but then, maybe not...even Jesus stated that the poor would always be with us...you know why? Because some people like being poor. Poor in mind...poor in spirit..poor in body. You are who you associate with. On a world scale, if we associate ourselves with the indigenous, letting them into our welfare system then that will make us poor. Personally, I've been there...and I can tell you I don't ever want to go back. ANother thing...you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. It gives you some kind of visceral pleasure to be obdurate and obnoxious. I am not the most lucid person on earth by any menas, but intelligent people here have tried to have logical discussions with you. ou don't discuss. You rant about your side of things. You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK I'm not Jesus, but thanks. I think you'll have to ask him why the poor will always be with us instead of assuming you know the answer. And, then you offer a personal attack... intelligent people have tried, but I'm a failure. Sorry, doesn't wash. I think I've not been particularly obnoxious with anyone lately, certainly.... not for the last year or so. I don't know what you were trying to type with "obdurate." Sorry. Suddenly, I'm the one ranting, but Joe, for example isn't. I don't see you bashing him over much. Feel free to plonk away if that makes you feel better. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do not rant.....sorry. Joe |
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"katy" wrote ... . You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK you figure Rosie could teach Jon how to be more manly? Scotty |
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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote ... . You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK you figure Rosie could teach Jon how to be more manly? Scotty No, I figured they could lock themselves up together and have a regular old gabfest since they both address the current issues in the same way. |
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oups.com... On Mar 29, 9:55 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh? Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of to AMerican citizens who may truly need it.... If you're so concerned about American citizens, you should probably consider that our foreign aid expenditures to Haiti are miniscule compared to what we spend on Iraq. You sound like a liberal. non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting others in here??? The Haitians are preventing people in the US from having babies? Are you suggesting we close the borders? Let's build a fence! That'll keep them out. I think you have a very narrow world view. Immigration and those returning to their countries who've been educated here and those who send money to their relatives in other countries are doing a great benefit to us. Jon, didn't realize you were the reincarnation of Jesus Christ..but then, maybe not...even Jesus stated that the poor would always be with us...you know why? Because some people like being poor. Poor in mind...poor in spirit..poor in body. You are who you associate with. On a world scale, if we associate ourselves with the indigenous, letting them into our welfare system then that will make us poor. Personally, I've been there...and I can tell you I don't ever want to go back. ANother thing...you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. It gives you some kind of visceral pleasure to be obdurate and obnoxious. I am not the most lucid person on earth by any menas, but intelligent people here have tried to have logical discussions with you. ou don't discuss. You rant about your side of things. You and Rosie O'Donnell should get a room together for a weekend. ou'd make a great pair. PLONK I'm not Jesus, but thanks. I think you'll have to ask him why the poor will always be with us instead of assuming you know the answer. And, then you offer a personal attack... intelligent people have tried, but I'm a failure. Sorry, doesn't wash. I think I've not been particularly obnoxious with anyone lately, certainly.... not for the last year or so. I don't know what you were trying to type with "obdurate." Sorry. Suddenly, I'm the one ranting, but Joe, for example isn't. I don't see you bashing him over much. Feel free to plonk away if that makes you feel better. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do not rant.....sorry. Joe Ah, well, ok. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a whole people or country. Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent country So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease. Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it... 1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the language *before* they arrived. No..but we should have... 2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills... Who determines this? Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it these days... 3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect. 4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me. Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to work here, not somewhere else. I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so sure. No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates. No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world. Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean... It's a beautiful thing when even Katy can kick Ganz's butt! But, Katy sounds like a conservative and conservatives kick liberal butt all the time. Liberals never learned to think. They can parrot but that's about all they can do. (Except for doing large doses of LSD!) Wilbur Hubbard |
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