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I've been thinking about what a rigger told me recently about cotter
pins. He made an interesting suggestion to replace the accessible cotter pins (ones that don't sit right up against the turnbuckle faces for example) with SS screws and nylon locknuts. I did this on my backstay turnbuckle (will post a picture later on today), and it seems like a pretty clean installation. I don't like using tape, and these particular cotter pins seem to catch on whatever comes near them (e.g., lines I hang on the pushpit while underway), and I couldn't really get them to curl properly. So, I figures what the heck. There don't appear to be any shearing issues, and I can always keep cotter pins on hand if I need them I suppose. Anyone try this? Comments? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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J Ganz said:
SS screws and nylon locknuts Not sure that's so great an answer, they will have to be very skinny to fit thru a cotter pin hole and very likely to have the threads banged up. And the heads & nuts will need room to fit against the body of the turnbuckle so it will be bulkier, likelier to trap salt water in crevices too. Dave wrote: I assume you mean either machine screws or bolts. yeah with Whitworth threads ;) Frankly I don't see what the problem is with cotter pins, if you have the right tool for installing/removign them, they are very easy to work. It's not so difficult even with just a pair of cheap needle-nose pliers. One thing to be wary of is re-using cotter pins. They tend to break from being bent/straightened and fall out. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Dave wrote: On 27 Mar 2007 14:49:40 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) said: SS screws and nylon locknuts I assume you mean either machine screws or bolts. Yes, machine screws... and not replacing the cotter pins near the chainplates. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote: J Ganz said: SS screws and nylon locknuts Not sure that's so great an answer, they will have to be very skinny to fit thru a cotter pin hole and very likely to have the threads banged up. And the heads & nuts will need room to fit against the body of the turnbuckle so it will be bulkier, likelier to trap salt water in crevices too. I tried one just for fun. The nuts don't touch the turnbuckles. Dave wrote: I assume you mean either machine screws or bolts. yeah with Whitworth threads ;) Frankly I don't see what the problem is with cotter pins, if you have the right tool for installing/removign them, they are very easy to work. It's not so difficult even with just a pair of cheap needle-nose pliers. One thing to be wary of is re-using cotter pins. They tend to break from being bent/straightened and fall out. Yeah, I don't reuse them. They're cheap. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Charlie Morgan wrote: Have you tried cotter rings? CWM I don't like ring dings... they can work themselves lose and/or catch on things too. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
I've been thinking about what a rigger told me recently about cotter pins. He made an interesting suggestion to replace the accessible cotter pins (ones that don't sit right up against the turnbuckle faces for example) with SS screws and nylon locknuts. I did this on my backstay turnbuckle (will post a picture later on today), and it seems like a pretty clean installation. I don't like using tape, and these particular cotter pins seem to catch on whatever comes near them (e.g., lines I hang on the pushpit while underway), and I couldn't really get them to curl properly. So, I figures what the heck. There don't appear to be any shearing issues, and I can always keep cotter pins on hand if I need them I suppose. Anyone try this? Comments? this spot reserved for mindless grafitti -- When you do something right, No one will know you did anything at all. ....attributed to 'God' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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wrote in message oups.com.. .. One thing to be wary of is re-using cotter pins. They tend to break from being bent/straightened and fall out. Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. SBV |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Charlie Morgan wrote: Have you tried cotter rings? CWM I don't like ring dings... they can work themselves lose and/or catch on things too. Not the good ones. SBV |
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wrote in message roups.com.. . One thing to be wary of is re-using cotter pins. They tend to break from being bent/straightened and fall out. Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article , Scotty u@w wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Charlie Morgan wrote: Have you tried cotter rings? CWM I don't like ring dings... they can work themselves lose and/or catch on things too. Not the good ones. The good ones? Please explain. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Scotty u@w wrote: wrote in message oups.com.. . One thing to be wary of is re-using cotter pins. They tend to break from being bent/straightened and fall out. Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. The intermolecular polybond is stressed during usage. They are meant to be a single use product. Ganz is right. You endanger yourself if it is a critical application. Their economy is designed to imply this. But they look like food to too many lifeforms. I would avoid them for environmental reasons. They are a consumer society product. -- When you do something right, No one will know you did anything at all. ....attributed to 'God' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ Usenet asshole #34 Most hetaed Usnetizen #40 British Leyland LitSlut #2 Try to keep your shirt on, OK? We're supposed to be all grown up now. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote: I've been thinking about what a rigger told me recently about cotter pins. He made an interesting suggestion to replace the accessible cotter pins (ones that don't sit right up against the turnbuckle faces for example) with SS screws and nylon locknuts. I did this on my backstay turnbuckle (will post a picture later on today), and it seems like a pretty clean installation. I don't like using tape, and these particular cotter pins seem to catch on whatever comes near them (e.g., lines I hang on the pushpit while underway), and I couldn't really get them to curl properly. So, I figures what the heck. There don't appear to be any shearing issues, and I can always keep cotter pins on hand if I need them I suppose. Anyone try this? Comments? this spot reserved for mindless grafitti Dude, you netkkkopped me instead of talking to me. If you had talked to me, you would have reserved the right to legitimately complain. Now you have lost it. Go figgure. -- When you do something right, No one will know you did anything at all. ....attributed to 'God' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ Usenet asshole #34 Most hetaed Usnetizen #40 British Leyland LitSlut #2 Try to keep your shirt on, OK? We're supposed to be all grown up now. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Mar 28, 8:37 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. I'm curious, what size bolt ( machine screw) are you going to use? SBV Small machine screws I bet. Jon should use pins, the parcel and serve the buckles. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Scotty u@w wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Charlie Morgan wrote: Have you tried cotter rings? CWM I don't like ring dings... they can work themselves lose and/or catch on things too. Not the good ones. The good ones? Please explain. the ones that don't work loose or catch on stuff. SBV |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. I'm curious, what size bolt ( machine screw) are you going to use? SBV |
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In article , Scotty u@w wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. I'm curious, what size bolt ( machine screw) are you going to use? Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. I tried the bottom, but it wouldn't go. I thought this is odd. Why would a turnbuckle have two different size holes... so I figured it was an anomoly and moved to the second of three (three stays per side). Same deal. Fits on the top, doesn't fit on the bottom. I tried all six. Same deal. What's up? Any idea? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Joe wrote: On Mar 28, 8:37 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. I'm curious, what size bolt ( machine screw) are you going to use? SBV Small machine screws I bet. Jon should use pins, the parcel and serve the buckles. Why? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article , Scotty u@w wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Scotty u@w wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article , Charlie Morgan wrote: Have you tried cotter rings? CWM I don't like ring dings... they can work themselves lose and/or catch on things too. Not the good ones. The good ones? Please explain. the ones that don't work loose or catch on stuff. Oh, you mean the ring dings that are not tapered. Hard to find in the same quality SS. I can find them at ACE, but doubt they're the same grade. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mar 29, 1:54 am, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article om, Joe wrote: On Mar 28, 8:37 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in Right. Also, nylon locknuts should not be reused too often. Well, that's for sure. I wouldn't reuse them at all. I'm curious, what size bolt ( machine screw) are you going to use? SBV Small machine screws I bet. Jon should use pins, the parcel and serve the buckles. Why? -- Capt. JG - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cuz thats the right way to do it. Joe |
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First hole worn out a bit?
Do the cotter pins all look like the same size? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. I tried the bottom, but it wouldn't go. I thought this is odd. Why would a turnbuckle have two different size holes... so I figured it was an anomoly and moved to the second of three (three stays per side). Same deal. Fits on the top, doesn't fit on the bottom. I tried all six. Same deal. What's up? Any idea? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On 28 Mar 2007 23:54:27 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said: What's up? Any idea? Sounds like somebody changed the shrouds and stays and kept the old turnbuckles. The new ones had a swaged on fitting of the same diameter and thread as the old, but larger holes. I suppose that's possible. They look fine, and the rigger thought so as well when he put on the furler (I had him give the general rigging one more look). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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. .. First hole worn out a bit? Do the cotter pins all look like the same size? Identical... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Threaded bolts shear very easily on the threads. A cotter pin of the same OD
has much less shear resistance. Use rigging tape to hold the pins in if you are worried. Lloyd |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. .. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote i Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. 6-32 ? that's really small, do you have tiny nuts, too? SBV Yep... with nylon. The ones I put on, I didn't tighten down very much... sort of like what you'd find with a regular pin. You can turn them by hand. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote i Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. 6-32 ? that's really small, do you have tiny nuts, too? SBV |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Scotty" w@u wrote in message . .. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote i Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. 6-32 ? that's really small, do you have tiny nuts, too? SBV Yep... with nylon. The ones I put on, I didn't tighten down very much... sort of like what you'd find with a regular pin. You can turn them by hand. Then they're too loose. |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Scotty" w@u wrote in message . .. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote i Well, that's an interesting story. So, I decided to give it a try on one of the stays. I pulled the pin on the top of the buckle, and no problem putting a 6-32 in there. 6-32 ? that's really small, do you have tiny nuts, too? SBV Yep... with nylon. The ones I put on, I didn't tighten down very much... sort of like what you'd find with a regular pin. You can turn them by hand. Then they're too loose. Why? They carry no weight and there's no shear issues. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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