* Dave wrote, On 3/28/2007 12:25 PM:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:45:43 -0400, Jeff said:

this was pretty much a total victory for Clinton.

If you mean he finally was dragged to what the Republicans had been pushing
for years before, I suppose you can so characterize it. A bit like the
famous proposal to get out of Vietnam--"let's just declare victory and go
home."

Go ahead and spin your tales. As I say, some of us have longer memories.

The record is real clear, Clinton made welfare reform part of his 1992
platform. Its true that the left wing of the Democrats had blocked
reform for a long time, but by the same token, the right wing
Republicans were trying to go for a lot more than basic reform.

The bottom line is that it was Bill's version we ended up with, not
Newt's.

Hey Dave, you're covered in turnips!