In article ,
katy wrote:

While most, but not all, are given treatment, there are fewer and
fewer hospitals equiped to deal with emergency care... care that
wouldn't have be emergencies if they had access to preventative
treatment. ER is very, very expensive, and if the person can't pay, we
pay. Since people don't have ins, they tend to wait until the
situation is dire, which complicates treatment and recovery.

Sometimes I wonder what world you live in. I worled in the ehalth care
system on and off all my life. I can tell you that the emergency room is
the most abused medical facility that exists. I don't have the actual

I live in the real world...

Didn't I just say that in other words? It is highly abused for a
couple of reasons. Certainly, people cheat, but the vast majority of
abuse is because people can't pay for a regular doc.

statistics but I can guess that 1 out of every 10 patients is an
emergency. That is one of the major reasons insurance companies will now
no longer pay for the actual ER fee if there is not a procedure done or

Well, sure... I can't imagine them paying for a checkup, but I'm not
talking about that kind of visit. I'm talking about the heart attacks,
pneumonia cases, serious stuff, that are preventable with decent
healthcare on a regular basis.

an admission...as far as the "we pay" part, we will pay no matter what
for that particular segment of society that can't afford it. We pay
through taxes or through chartible contributions. What does it matter
what form it takes?

It matter quite a bit... we pay far more for ER care that shouldn't be necessary if those
people were covered by ins.

country...and it is not limited to just the poor...my solution? We
should get rid of health care insurance entirely and go back to paying
doctors out odf pocket...that way the industry would correct


How do you expect people who are maybe getting minimum wage or have
3/4 kids to pay out of pocket? It might "correct" itself, but between
now and then, many people would die as a result.

The problem is not that there isn't health care, it's that people don;t
know where to go to look for it...there are all sorts of prtograms that

NO. It's that people can't AFFORD IT! Costs continue to skyrocket with
no end in sight.



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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:


While most, but not all, are given treatment, there are fewer and
fewer hospitals equiped to deal with emergency care... care that
wouldn't have be emergencies if they had access to preventative
treatment. ER is very, very expensive, and if the person can't pay, we
pay. Since people don't have ins, they tend to wait until the
situation is dire, which complicates treatment and recovery.


Sometimes I wonder what world you live in. I worled in the ehalth care
system on and off all my life. I can tell you that the emergency room is
the most abused medical facility that exists. I don't have the actual


I live in the real world...

Didn't I just say that in other words? It is highly abused for a
couple of reasons. Certainly, people cheat, but the vast majority of
abuse is because people can't pay for a regular doc.


statistics but I can guess that 1 out of every 10 patients is an
emergency. That is one of the major reasons insurance companies will now
no longer pay for the actual ER fee if there is not a procedure done or


Well, sure... I can't imagine them paying for a checkup, but I'm not
talking about that kind of visit. I'm talking about the heart attacks,
pneumonia cases, serious stuff, that are preventable with decent
healthcare on a regular basis.


an admission...as far as the "we pay" part, we will pay no matter what
for that particular segment of society that can't afford it. We pay
through taxes or through chartible contributions. What does it matter
what form it takes?


It matter quite a bit... we pay far more for ER care that shouldn't be necessary if those
people were covered by ins.


country...and it is not limited to just the poor...my solution? We
should get rid of health care insurance entirely and go back to paying
doctors out odf pocket...that way the industry would correct


How do you expect people who are maybe getting minimum wage or have
3/4 kids to pay out of pocket? It might "correct" itself, but between
now and then, many people would die as a result.

The problem is not that there isn't health care, it's that people don;t
know where to go to look for it...there are all sorts of prtograms that


NO. It's that people can't AFFORD IT! Costs continue to skyrocket with
no end in sight.



Got news for you Jon...those people, with insurance, STILL USE THE
ER!!!!!! Been there...seen it....

In article ,
katy wrote:
Got news for you Jon...those people, with insurance, STILL USE THE
ER!!!!!! Been there...seen it....

Those people?? Don't feel you have to be specific. Are you now
claiming that the majority of those who use the ER for non-ER help are
the insured?


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Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

Got news for you Jon...those people, with insurance, STILL USE THE
ER!!!!!! Been there...seen it....


Those people?? Don't feel you have to be specific. Are you now
claiming that the majority of those who use the ER for non-ER help are
the insured?


Many....many people use the ER if they can't get into their family
doctir right away rather than waiting or using a Med Station...I can
never figure that one out since ER's are rife with bacteria and the
chances are that if you weren't sick when you went in you will be when
you leave...