"Sean Monaghan" wrote in message

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in
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"Sean Monaghan" wrote in message

miguel wrote in
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Kali wrote:
miguel said:
Kadaitcha Gimp Retard He-Bitch wrote:

Translation: even though all kookologists agree that taking
usenet to real life is prime kooksign, that's what I'm trying to
accomplish.

Good job there kOOk.

miguel

So, what are your plans for Steve Cheney?

If I ever meet him, I will put him in the hospital.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^

This is not a flame; this is a clear threat of physical violence.
This is something we'd expect from Richard "the St00pid" Bullis, or
from Edmond Heinz Wollmann - not the words of a 'marginal kook', or
from someone who is merely involved in a Usenet flamewar.
This snippet of evidence not only justifies the open KotM nomination
of Michael Cranston attorney, but it also qualifies him for the Bolo
Bullis Foam Duck - AUK's highest lifetime-achievement award for
stupidity.

From - http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html

"Bolo Bullis Foam Duck - The spoonerism for "dumb ****", for those
who've lost more marbles than a Chinese Checker factory will ever
make."

I hereby nominate "Michael Cranston attorney"/Miguel to become Bolo
Bullis Foam Duck #27.

Seconds, anyone?

The nomination is ridiculous.

It's interesting how say that this *nomination* is ridiculous - not
Cranston's threat.

In the more than...I saw something from a 2004 post that indicated it
was 12 years then, so that would make it 15 years that Chaney has been
acting like a psychopath online...Mike has made absolutely no effort to
seek out Chaney and "put him in the hospital."

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

Note - To those

That would be my cue.

Paranoid much? I was referring to the nominee.

I'm the only person who has ever made the claim that any of these
nominations of Mike are revenge nominations, so it follows that I would
be the most likely person to do so for this nomination too.

That's logic, not paranoia.

who will want to make the k'laim that this nomination
is based on 'revenge' due to some coincidental flamewar in which
I've never participated, let it be known that there have been many
flamewars in which individual AUKers have participated where not a
single nomination was ever made. Such k'laims are ludicrous,
unfounded, and based on ignorance (and quite possibly, based on
cluelessness)

Precisely the opposite. Unfortunately, I'm still working with the
very same hand tied behind my back.

as opposed to being based on rational thought.

Honor is rational. Without it, civilization would not survive. If I
had no honor, this would be a different argument entirely.

You take the awards' programme *far* too seriously.

Oh, I'm pretty sure it's not *me* who takes the awards' programme far
too seriously.

*whoosh*

Right. It's like being back in fifth grade. No one had a clue then
either.

Let's see if you have a sufficient number of neurons firing today
to comprehend a fairly simple argument.

First (not firstly, that's semi-literate), you kookologists
universally disdain taking usenet to real life. "Real life" is
fairly understood to mean consequences in meatspace.

I think that standard of behavior is stupid and cowardly. I think
if somebody types some nasty **** safely from under his bed in
momma's basement he ought to possess enough character or courage
to say it to somebody's face. If said nasty **** has real world
consequences, even moreso. Perhaps there is one or two of you
kookologists who possess the character and courage to abide that
standard. I think I've read about one of you who does MMA training
at one point or another. The rest of you hide behind your
self-serving rule of conduct that serves only to insulate you from
any consequences for your bad behavior.

Second, since you kookologists hold universal disdain for taking
usenet to real life, one might expect you to refrain from doing so,
and that when one of your number elects out of desperation to do
so, others of you might be intellectually honest enough to point
out the hypocrisy.

I expect I'll be waiting a long time to see any display of that.

It's the same sort of hypocrisy I pointed out to you about your
netkopping post. Are you too emotionally overwrought to be
objective about this?

miguel

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in
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"Sean Monaghan" wrote in message

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in
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"Sean Monaghan" wrote in message

miguel wrote in
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Kali wrote:
miguel said:
Kadaitcha Gimp Retard He-Bitch wrote:

Translation: even though all kookologists agree that taking
usenet to real life is prime kooksign, that's what I'm trying to
accomplish.

Good job there kOOk.

miguel

So, what are your plans for Steve Cheney?

If I ever meet him, I will put him in the hospital.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^

This is not a flame; this is a clear threat of physical violence.
This is something we'd expect from Richard "the St00pid" Bullis, or
from Edmond Heinz Wollmann - not the words of a 'marginal kook', or
from someone who is merely involved in a Usenet flamewar.
This snippet of evidence not only justifies the open KotM
nomination of Michael Cranston attorney, but it also qualifies him
for the Bolo Bullis Foam Duck - AUK's highest lifetime-achievement
award for stupidity.

From - http://www.caballista.org/auk/awards.html

"Bolo Bullis Foam Duck - The spoonerism for "dumb ****", for those
who've lost more marbles than a Chinese Checker factory will ever
make."

I hereby nominate "Michael Cranston attorney"/Miguel to become Bolo
Bullis Foam Duck #27.

Seconds, anyone?

The nomination is ridiculous.

It's interesting how say that this *nomination* is ridiculous - not
Cranston's threat.

In the more than...I saw something from a 2004 post that indicated it
was 12 years then, so that would make it 15 years that Chaney has been
acting like a psychopath online...Mike has made absolutely no effort
to seek out Chaney and "put him in the hospital."

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

Note - To those

That would be my cue.

Paranoid much? I was referring to the nominee.

I'm the only person who has ever made the claim that any of these
nominations of Mike are revenge nominations, so it follows that I
would be the most likely person to do so for this nomination too.

That's logic, not paranoia.

1. You assumed.

2. You came to an inaccurate conclusion.

3. Your 'logic' failed you.

who will want to make the k'laim that this nomination
is based on 'revenge' due to some coincidental flamewar in which
I've never participated, let it be known that there have been many
flamewars in which individual AUKers have participated where not a
single nomination was ever made. Such k'laims are ludicrous,
unfounded, and based on ignorance (and quite possibly, based on
cluelessness)

Precisely the opposite. Unfortunately, I'm still working with the
very same hand tied behind my back.

as opposed to being based on rational thought.

Honor is rational. Without it, civilization would not survive. If I
had no honor, this would be a different argument entirely.

You take the awards' programme *far* too seriously.

Oh, I'm pretty sure it's not *me* who takes the awards' programme far
too seriously.

Says the person who is post-humping my nominations.

*whoosh*

Right. It's like being back in fifth grade. No one had a clue then
either.

Let's see if you have a sufficient number of neurons firing today
to comprehend a fairly simple argument.

First (not firstly, that's semi-literate), you kookologists
universally disdain taking usenet to real life. "Real life" is
fairly understood to mean consequences in meatspace.

I think that standard of behavior is stupid and cowardly. I think
if somebody types some nasty **** safely from under his bed in
momma's basement he ought to possess enough character or courage
to say it to somebody's face. If said nasty **** has real world
consequences, even moreso. Perhaps there is one or two of you
kookologists who possess the character and courage to abide that
standard. I think I've read about one of you who does MMA training
at one point or another. The rest of you hide behind your
self-serving rule of conduct that serves only to insulate you from
any consequences for your bad behavior.

Second, since you kookologists hold universal disdain for taking
usenet to real life, one might expect you to refrain from doing
so, and that when one of your number elects out of desperation to
do so, others of you might be intellectually honest enough to
point out the hypocrisy.

I expect I'll be waiting a long time to see any display of that.

It's the same sort of hypocrisy I pointed out to you about your
netkopping post. Are you too emotionally overwrought to be
objective about this?

miguel


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Pierre Salinger Memorial "Hook, Line & Sinker" awards -
March 2005, July 2005, August 2005, August 2006, February 2007

[Co]Friendly Neighbourhood Vote Wrangler

Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit from
your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

miguel

miguel wrote in
:

Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.

That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
*all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

--
Official FAQ for Alt.Usenet.Kooks: http://www.caballista.org/auk

COOSN-266-06-58907

Hammer of Thor - August 2005

Pierre Salinger Memorial "Hook, Line & Sinker" awards -
March 2005, July 2005, August 2005, August 2006, February 2007

[Co]Friendly Neighbourhood Vote Wrangler

Sean Monaghan wrote:
miguel wrote:
Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":
That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.
See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27
"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.

I'll be sure and let you know if they knock on my door. Don't hold your
breath though.

That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
*all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

That was a pretty stupid thing to say, in that (1) neither my PD nor I
is unaware of this and (2) it's obvious what she is complaining about is
that the hypocrisy of what you are doing is in part what makes it
unentertaining for her. It's like somebody who is a narcissistic
sociopath calling her humor deficient. Precisely who would be
entertained by that?

miguel

"Sean Monaghan" wrote in message

miguel wrote in
:

Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting
to words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI
Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.

That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
*all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

There is nothing entertaining for me in watching people that I used to
like and respect fall and shatter their feet of clay.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

In , Sean Monaghan
said:
: miguel wrote in
: :
:
: Sean Monaghan wrote:
: "Rhonda Lea Kirk":
:
: That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
: words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.
:
: See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27
:
: "27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?
:
: Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
: harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
: Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
: virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
: from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."
:
: "Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?
:
: That's plain stupid.
:
: If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.
:
: That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
: parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.
:
: That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
: *all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

That would be almost as entertaining as Cranston filing a civil
suit over having had his name and "dog****er" listed together in
the Google archives.

You see, Sean, on Usenet it's not ok to call Cranston a
"dog****er", but it is ok for him to make kooky death threats.
Get it? lol

Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein

Kali wrote:
Sean Monaghan said:
miguel wrote:
Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.

That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
*all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

That would be almost as entertaining as [name] filing a civil
suit over having had his name and "dog****er" listed together in
the Google archives.

You are now participating in the google stacking effort yourself? That
seems odd, as you acknowledged you've been a victim of it too.

You see, Sean, on Usenet it's not ok to call [name] a
"dog****er", but it is ok for him to make kooky death threats.
Get it? lol

Charlotte was right about me. I'm sorry you weren't more resilient.

miguel

In , miguel mjc101
@gmail.com said:
: Kali wrote:
: Sean Monaghan said:
: miguel wrote:
: Sean Monaghan wrote:
: "Rhonda Lea Kirk":
:
: That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
: words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.
:
: See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27
:
: "27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?
:
: Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
: harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
: Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
: virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
: from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."
:
: "Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?
:
: That's plain stupid.
:
: If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.
:
: That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
: parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.
:
: That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
: *all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.
:
: That would be almost as entertaining as [name] filing a civil
: suit over having had his name and "dog****er" listed together in
: the Google archives.
:
: You are now participating in the google stacking effort yourself? That
: seems odd, as you acknowledged you've been a victim of it too.

Hardly, clown.

: You see, Sean, on Usenet it's not ok to call [name] a
: "dog****er", but it is ok for him to make kooky death threats.
: Get it? lol
:
: Charlotte was right about me. I'm sorry you weren't more resilient.

All I see is kook. You're not as kooky as some, but still, you
are a kook. It's amusing how you invoke the favor of Charlotte
and Rhonda whenever you're called out. One of these days you'll
use up all your free passes. Oh, wait, it would appear that you
already have.

: miguel
:
Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:39:26 -0700, miguel did the cha-cha, and screamed:
Kali wrote:
Sean Monaghan said:
miguel wrote:
Sean Monaghan wrote:
"Rhonda Lea Kirk":

That would lead me to the conclusion that someone is overreacting to
words on the screen, and I don't mean Mike.

See http://www.caballista.org/auk/faq.html#question27

"27. Can I really be thrown in jail for posting threatening messages?

Yes. People have been tried and convicted for sending threatening or
harassing Email or Usenet posts. We do NOT support censorship of the
Internet; however, posting a message stating you are going to cause
virtual or unvirtual harm to someone will probably gain you a visit
from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent."

"Probably" gain you a visit from your Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent?

That's plain stupid.

If Chaney wants to call the FBI and complain, more power to him.

That would be one of the most hilarious things to happen 'round these
parts in a while. It would be quite entertaining.

That's the bit that you and your public defender are missing - AUK is
*all* about entertainment. Always. No exceptions. Period.

That would be almost as entertaining as [name] filing a civil suit over
having had his name and "dog****er" listed together in the Google
archives.

You are now participating in the google stacking effort yourself? That
seems odd, as you acknowledged you've been a victim of it too.

You see, Sean, on Usenet it's not ok to call [name] a "dog****er", but
it is ok for him to make kooky death threats. Get it? lol

Charlotte was right about me. I'm sorry you weren't more resilient.

Well, at least you're not full of yourself, Michael J. "Dog****er"
Cranston attorney k00k.

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"'I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary
ladder,' he says. 'The major significance of this protein is that it may
be a communication line between the nucleus and the mitochondria.'" --
Andrew B. Chung, from
http://gtalumni.org/Publications/mag...n91/chung.html

"Pot...kettle...so black it picks cotton." -- But Alex "Dink" Cain isn't
racist at all, oh no. Not him. Why, some of his best friends are porch
monkeys. I'll bet. Message-ID:

"You think I don't know this? What gives you the right to speak as if
you have authority over me? You have none. I like his use of the words
'wanton woman'. They are biblical. Maybe there is some hope for k man
after all. You? There is no hope for you at all you freak of nature. Go
back to the hole you came out of." -- Atlanta Olympiada Kane "knows"
Kadaitcha Man was referring to me, but addressed him as though he was
referring to himself, then foamed all over me, in Message-ID:


"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
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can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

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"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: .com

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:


"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun

"Property is theft."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is liberty."
-- P. J. Proudhon
"Property is impossible."
-- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

"Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
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"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: om

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤ has an honest
moment, in MID:

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...ve/2006/10/11/
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