imported by sailboat


St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/p...703050344/1051

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imported by sailboat


St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.


http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/p...703050344/1051

They will still have to pay a crew modern wages and conditions so are
unlikely to make any profit unless they always get a fair wind

On Mar 5, 1:41 pm, "Edgar" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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imported by sailboat

St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/p...=/20070305/NEW...

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The snob nosed ass gas sniffers will pay a premium to serve coffee
that's truly green, and delivered on a green ship.
It's like the people who eat coffee that cats **** out.

I think it's a brilliant marketing ploy and good for the sailing
community as a whole. I'm sure it will be a motor sailing vessel so it
can adhere to schedules and avoid spoilage.

Joe

St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.


Heh- so they are going to use all organic materials in the schooner?
Cotton sails, etc etc? It will be a very very expensive hobby to keep
her sailing at all, and buying/shipping those "all natural materials"
will use more fossil fuel than using dacron & fiberglass.


The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.


In other words, he expects to charge a lot more for his "organically
imported" coffee.


Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."


But notice he doesn't mention any numbers.

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.



"Edgar" wrote:
They will still have to pay a crew modern wages and conditions so are
unlikely to make any profit unless they always get a fair wind

Yep

Plus they will spend a lot more time being refitted and paying the
amortization on the cost of the vessel & her equipment, on the profits
what few voyages she can complete within the given time period.

If shipping under sail could pay, then the big companies would do it.
They would work out much more efficient & less labor intensive ways to
propel the boat. I happen to like the kite sail idea myself, but have
not heard of any ships using it on voyages.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Mar 5, 6:29 pm, wrote:
St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

Heh- so they are going to use all organic materials in the schooner?
Cotton sails, etc etc? It will be a very very expensive hobby to keep
her sailing at all, and buying/shipping those "all natural materials"
will use more fossil fuel than using dacron & fiberglass.

Why not use dacron, you do not have to disclose that on your
advertising. The tree hugger will look at that bag of coffee with a
sailing ship on the wrapper and feel good, like all the feel good TV
commericals using sailboats to sell everything from tampons to
retirement funds.


The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

In other words, he expects to charge a lot more for his "organically
imported" coffee.


EXACTLY i found several site that sell organic coffee, it goes for 12
bucks a pound. Since this is super dupper way cooler green dude, it
worth 15 a pound. Come on Doug...get with the program. The only
advantage is the small cargo ship VS the evil oil empire.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

But notice he doesn't mention any numbers.


Numbers sumbers...Do the math Doug. A crew of 3 4-5 trips a year.

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.

"Edgar" wrote:
They will still have to pay a crew modern wages and conditions so are
unlikely to make any profit unless they always get a fair wind

Yep

Plus they will spend a lot more time being refitted and paying the
amortization on the cost of the vessel & her equipment, on the profits
what few voyages she can complete within the given time period.

Houston to Peru & back.... 8 weeks.

If shipping under sail could pay, then the big companies would do it.

Not so. Why play with nickles and dimes when you are raking in the big
bucks.


They would work out much more efficient & less labor intensive ways to
propel the boat. I happen to like the kite sail idea myself, but have
not heard of any ships using it on voyages.

You engineers types can screw up anything. We have the current tech
to be profitabe is the cargo is right.

Joe


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Joe" wrote in message
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imported by sailboat


St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/p...703050344/1051



Here's a pic...

http://www.culturechange.org/cms/ind...95&Itemi d=41


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On Mar 5, 2:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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imported by sailboat

St. Marys, Ga. | The two-masted schooner, called the, used to be a
tour craft.

Now a company is refitting it in St. Marys to import organically grown
coffee from Central America in an environmentally friendly manner.

The company - Blue & Green Packet Co. - also wants to import other
goods, including textiles, chocolate, nuts, beans, rice and tea.

The ship won't have the capability to carry nearly as much cargo as
modern vessels but can haul up to 70 tons. The average voyage will be
about three weeks but using the ship's sails will greatly reduce the
importing costs.

"The point is to prove it can be done," said John Siman, one of the
company's owners. "We can still trade commodities via sail."

He said there's a growing demand for products that are organically
produced and are imported in a way that has as little negative impact
to the environment as possible.

Rising shipping costs for imported goods should mean importing by sail
will be a profitable venture, said Paul Flowers, another company
owner.

"The price of oil will continue to go up," he said. "At the same time,
container-ship shipping becomes more and more unaffordable. It's a
huge cost difference."

The schooner will be renamed Emancipator after renovations are
completed in about a year.

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/p...=/20070305/NEW...

Here's a pic...

http://www.culturechange.org/cms/ind...ontent&task=vi...

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20 tonnes of cargo seems a bit much for her. But at 12 dollars a pound
I see's 200K profit per trip.

Joe

Joe,

Why don't you call Starbucks and see how much they will pay for a few bales
of coffee run in a sailboat. Just think you could load up our boat and
you're in business.

Amen!

On Mar 6, 4:49 pm, "Bob Crantz" wrote:
Joe,

Why don't you call Starbucks and see how much they will pay for a few bales
of coffee run in a sailboat. Just think you could load up our boat and
you're in business.

Amen!

Screw that, insert another mast and a 20'X12' cargo bay amidship
RedCloud and launch a web-site, blog, ect catering to the Greenies.

Just take a picture of a group of sailors in tie dye T shirts with
long hair sipping coffee, sell it all mail-order. Why give Starbucks a
slice? Starbucks has become the man, liberal and greenies hate the
man. Hype the green side of sail delivered coffee not tainted by the
evil oil companies and war mongers.

Would you like to invest?

http://www.koacoffee.com/organic.html 30 dollars + a pound

http://www.motherearthcoffeetea.com/...ea-Coffee.aspx
15 - a pound

You can find a many, but all tainted by evil oil...delivered in
pollution emitting vessels fouling the flavor and true aroma while
murdering dolphins and other sea critters.

Joe

20 tonnes of cargo seems a bit much for her. But at 12 dollars a pound
I see's 200K profit per trip.

That much? I'm just curious how you came to those numbers. It seems
that a small coffee company could do quite well with much profit. If
they make say 4 trips a year and get a good loyal following they could
have a nice year. I have heard of people that really like coffee
buying it from special Hawaiian distributors and paying something like
15-20 a pound. As long as its good coffee I don't see how this could
be such a bad idea.

Bill