In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:04:58 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Derek Lumb" wrote in message
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I have a three bladed "flexo-fold" prop. Seems fine and I have had nor
problem with reverse (not down to the prop anyway!).

www.flexofold.com

Regards


My prop is a fixed, three-bladed type. It has less drag than any folding

I've got one very similar to that.

CWM

I do also, but I hardly ever use it.


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In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
My prop is a fixed, three-bladed type. It has less drag than any folding

I've got one very similar to that.

CWM

I do also, but I hardly ever use it.

My slip is a half mile up a narrow channel with a lot of traffic. It's
widely frowned upon to sail either in or out. It wouldn't be much fun
anyway.

There are a couple of marinas here that have the same frown factor. A
couple of them outright ban it, of course, in an "emergency" there's
not much they can do.

However, I was referring to the prop on the outboard that hangs on the
transom. g

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In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 12:36:06 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
My prop is a fixed, three-bladed type. It has less drag than any folding

I've got one very similar to that.

CWM

I do also, but I hardly ever use it.

My slip is a half mile up a narrow channel with a lot of traffic. It's
widely frowned upon to sail either in or out. It wouldn't be much fun
anyway.

There are a couple of marinas here that have the same frown factor. A
couple of them outright ban it, of course, in an "emergency" there's
not much they can do.

However, I was referring to the prop on the outboard that hangs on the
transom. g

I was as well. Regardless, it's not just a "frown factor" here. The LEO's will
"pull you over" for it.

Last time I sailed into a marina that forbids it, we had no choice. I
called ahead so they wouldn't have a freak out.
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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Just to make sure you understand what I'm saying: This is a long
narrow twisty
river with a lot of marinas. The local law enforcement considers going
up or
down the river under sail in a keelboat to be unsafe operation.
Ticket!

CWM

Is there anybody around there with a pair? I'd be out there under sail
every day until I got ticketed. Then I take it to court and kick their
asses. You cannot legally say sailing in an unsafe operation. Let alone
make such stupidity stick.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:34:36 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

You cannot legally say sailing in an unsafe operation.

What is the basis of this conclusion?




The basis is faulty law that was written to further an agenda in the
hope it would not be challenged. The longer it stands unchallenged the
more chance it has of being used as precedence in even more
unconstitutional laws. If you're really a lawyer then you know law is
written all the time knowing it won't stand up to the first challenge.
It gives the writer a chance to fine tune it later on and in the
meanwhile liberals get they way.

Wilbur Hubbard

In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
I was as well. Regardless, it's not just a "frown factor" here. The LEO's will
"pull you over" for it.

Last time I sailed into a marina that forbids it, we had no choice. I
called ahead so they wouldn't have a freak out.

Just to make sure you understand what I'm saying: This is a long narrow twisty
river with a lot of marinas. The local law enforcement considers going up or
down the river under sail in a keelboat to be unsafe operation. Ticket!

CWM

What happens if the engine dies and you have to sail? Do they ticket
and call SEATow?



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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:40:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

You cannot legally say sailing in an unsafe operation.

What is the basis of this conclusion?




The basis is faulty law that was written to further an agenda in the
hope it would not be challenged. The longer it stands unchallenged the
more chance it has of being used as precedence in even more
unconstitutional laws. If you're really a lawyer then you know law is
written all the time knowing it won't stand up to the first challenge.
It gives the writer a chance to fine tune it later on and in the
meanwhile liberals get they way.

In other words, you have no basis whatever for that claim. You expect
that
if you sling enough bull**** around someone might think you know what
you're
talking about.

Sorry, but that's the method lawyers use. Sling bull**** until something
sticks. Here in Florida the governor signed into law a new anchoring law
that prohibits municipalities from regulating anchoring anywhere in
state waters other than mooring fields. Yet, municipalities are ignoring
the new law because they say until it is challenged it court and upheld
it has no real legal standing. Exactly what I'm saying above. If you're
a lawyer you would know how this works.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message

I have no idea what would happen in a hypothetical situation.

I believe this, unable as you are to think beyond your next trip to the
crapper.

I do
know that the local police have wide discretion in what to allow or
not allow. For that matter, sailing in this particular channel would
probably make you quite a few enemies.

No more than you make here.

Max

In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 21:44:59 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
I was as well. Regardless, it's not just a "frown factor" here. The LEO's will
"pull you over" for it.

Last time I sailed into a marina that forbids it, we had no choice. I
called ahead so they wouldn't have a freak out.

Just to make sure you understand what I'm saying: This is a long narrow twisty
river with a lot of marinas. The local law enforcement considers going up or
down the river under sail in a keelboat to be unsafe operation. Ticket!

CWM

What happens if the engine dies and you have to sail? Do they ticket
and call SEATow?

I have no idea what would happen in a hypothetical situation. I do
know that the local police have wide discretion in what to allow or
not allow. For that matter, sailing in this particular channel would
probably make you quite a few enemies. You'd be very much in the way
of other craft trying to use the channel.

That's typically the case... wide discretion... sometimes
good/sometimes bad. Kinda like the "bad cop" discussion in
rec.boats.cruising.
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 6 Mar 2007 21:44:59 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
I was as well. Regardless, it's not just a "frown factor" here. The
LEO's will
"pull you over" for it.

Last time I sailed into a marina that forbids it, we had no choice.
I
called ahead so they wouldn't have a freak out.

Just to make sure you understand what I'm saying: This is a long
narrow twisty
river with a lot of marinas. The local law enforcement considers
going up or
down the river under sail in a keelboat to be unsafe operation.
Ticket!

CWM

What happens if the engine dies and you have to sail? Do they ticket
and call SEATow?

I have no idea what would happen in a hypothetical situation. I do
know that the local police have wide discretion in what to allow or
not allow. For that matter, sailing in this particular channel would
probably make you quite a few enemies. You'd be very much in the way
of other craft trying to use the channel.

No they do not have wide discretion. Anything they do to make it stick
has to be based on law and not on their opinion. You cannot enforce
opinions. You cannot enforce restrictions on sailing one type of craft
(keelboats) and not another type of craft (non-keelboats). You either
ban sailing outright or you allow sailing outright. Somebody needs to
challenge that bogus law. It will NOT stand up in a court of law. Where
is this happening. I'd like to get Boat US on it to begin with.

Wilbur Hubbard