More NetKKKop experience.
 

Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
: Steve Leyland wrote:
:: Ted Bell wrote:
::: "Mowe Z. Slowley" wrote in message
::: news:PWvwh.28811$Y6.23372@edtnps89...
:::: and:
::::
::::: I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup in question as to
::::: whether they feel a breach of their charter has been committed.
:::::
::::: You shall have a forward of this inquiry in your inbox.
:::::
::::: This additional missive is specifically addressed to the TELUS
::::: Internet Abuse Team for the purpose of eliciting an explicit
::::: clarification which has been avoided so far, to wit:
:::::
::::: How, _exactly_, has my behavior violated the TELUS IUP?
:::::
::::: I need to know this specific and simple bit of information for the
::::: purpose of evaluating my continued use of TELUS services. Internet
::::: service is the last service provided to me by TELUS which I
::::: value enough to keep an account open at all.
:::::
::::: If my internet service is being arbitrarily threatened by the
::::: "feelings" of an anonymous member of an one tiny newsgroup (as you
::::: have stated below) --who does not have moderator or _any_ control
::::: status on that group, as explicitly stated in the charter
::::: provided--; then it follows that the security of my internet
::::: connection is at the mercy of any kook on usenet who chooses to
::::: send a barrage of complaints from one or more identities.
:::::
::::: If this scenario is accurate, it constitutes an unacceptable risk
::::: to my continued service, and I shall be forced to seek service
::::: elsewhere. This chain of events has the potential to place
::::: liabilities on TELUS internet services.
:::::
::::: Please, I beg of you:
:::::
::::: Clarify exactly how I have violated the TELUS IUP.
:::::
::::
::::: yours: mowzy slowly into the sunset
::::
:::: wadathink guys?
::::
:::: I showed them a glint of my razor hovering near their sac...
::::
:::: --
:::: Stop WW3!!
::::
:::: "Remember: Only YOU can prevent Forest Fires!"
:::: ....Smokey the Bear
:::
::: You may also note that the netkkkop is not even handed in his
::: netkkkopping. Others who responded in a cross posting fashion were
::: apparently not netkkkopped. You had the honor of being singled out
::: by the netkkkopper. He has the tools to filter by out cross
::: posting, he is just harrassing you in particular.
::
:: he's already tried and failed many times to netKKKop me and others.
:: when I find a serial netKKKopping ****head such as Jonathan Ganz, I
:: always alert all the NSP admins I know; you might be surprised how
:: many are friendly with meowers.
::
:: "I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup" shows just exactly
:: how ****ing clueless this admin is. everywon knows only fluffy pwns a
:: froup!!!1!
:::
:
: No No! that's me, Mr Steve.

ah I see, oh dear. don't waste yer time doing that mate.
:
: I'm trying to ask the folks who sponsor the froup if they think I
: violated the charter.

what ****ing charter? a.s.a has no charter according to the official
isc.org site, that's just an FAQ quoted by the lying abusive serial
netKKKop.
hey, I'll post a new FAQ for asa right now,

TEH NEW OFFICIAL ALT.SAILING.ASA FAQ AS APPROVED BY FLUFFY.
Q: why is this group being attacked by so many trolls?
A: because frivolous net-abusing control-freak netKKKops like JG can
kiss my hairy meower arse.
This FAQ supercedes all previous incarnations, bite me.

there ya go. that's the latest FAQ. get teh drift?
:
: I'll be the first to admit I'm knowing practically nothing about the
: structure and superstructures of usenet.

I've been hanging in alt.config and various admin froups for many years
and I'm very familiar with suchlike ...
:
: Got any references you think I should familiarize myself with?

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html might be a good place
to quote to your ISP to give them some usenet clue, not that I'm too
enamoured with tim recently.
:
: I'm writing my LPIC's right now; but I need diversions from studies
: too, although my MIDI gear provides a good outlet for that...
:
::: Ted's steakhouse serves an excellent Middle Eastern and
::: Mediterrainean Vegetarian Cuisine
::
:: sounds yummy :)
::
::: in addition to the finest of steaks
::: and tin foil wrapped potatoes. Several of our chefs are from Syria.
::: Remember: Ted's of Beverly Hills.
::
:::
::: I'm Ted Bell!

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

All art is quite useless. - Oscar Wilde
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick,
alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


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Meow

More NetKKKop experience.
 

Steve Leyland wrote:
Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
: Steve Leyland wrote:

snip

::
:: "I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup" shows just exactly
:: how ****ing clueless this admin is. everywon knows only fluffy pwns a
:: froup!!!1!
:::
:
: No No! that's me, Mr Steve.

ah I see, oh dear. don't waste yer time doing that mate.
:
: I'm trying to ask the folks who sponsor the froup if they think I
: violated the charter.

what ****ing charter? a.s.a has no charter according to the official
isc.org site, that's just an FAQ quoted by the lying abusive serial
netKKKop.
hey, I'll post a new FAQ for asa right now,a lot

TEH NEW OFFICIAL ALT.SAILING.ASA FAQ AS APPROVED BY FLUFFY.
Q: why is this group being attacked by so many trolls?
A: because frivolous net-abusing control-freak netKKKops like JG can
kiss my hairy meower arse.
This FAQ supercedes all previous incarnations, bite me.

there ya go. that's the latest FAQ. get teh drift?
:
: I'll be the first to admit I'm knowing practically nothing about the
: structure and superstructures of usenet.

I've been hanging in alt.config and various admin froups for many years
and I'm very familiar with suchlike ...
:
: Got any references you think I should familiarize myself with?

http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html might be a good place
to quote to your ISP to give them some usenet clue, not that I'm too
enamoured with tim recently.
:

Thanks.
I think I've got of learning to do.

You can bet that I won't let this ISP off the hook here in
explaining this abuse notice in terms of logic or diligence.

They will need to show veracity of the charters' convention
authority for whatever source they choose to use.

You are telling me that there is no authoritative clearing house for
group charters as such? Isn't there a central, 'physical'
fileserver somewhere for any given group? A machine that someone has
to sponsor and host and 'pay' for; even assuming these tasks are
contracted out to agents?

--
Stop WW3!!

"Remember: Only YOU can prevent Forest Fires!"
....Smokey the Bear

More NetKKKop experience.
 

Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
: Steve Leyland wrote:
:: Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
::: Steve Leyland wrote:
:
: snip
:
::::
:::: "I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup" shows just
:::: exactly how ****ing clueless this admin is. everywon knows only
:::: fluffy pwns a froup!!!1!
:::::
:::
::: No No! that's me, Mr Steve.
::
:: ah I see, oh dear. don't waste yer time doing that mate.
:::
::: I'm trying to ask the folks who sponsor the froup if they think I
::: violated the charter.
::
:: what ****ing charter? a.s.a has no charter according to the official
:: isc.org site, that's just an FAQ quoted by the lying abusive serial
:: netKKKop.
:: hey, I'll post a new FAQ for asa right now,a lot
::
:: TEH NEW OFFICIAL ALT.SAILING.ASA FAQ AS APPROVED BY FLUFFY.
:: Q: why is this group being attacked by so many trolls?
:: A: because frivolous net-abusing control-freak netKKKops like JG can
:: kiss my hairy meower arse.
:: This FAQ supercedes all previous incarnations, bite me.
::
:: there ya go. that's the latest FAQ. get teh drift?
:::
::: I'll be the first to admit I'm knowing practically nothing about the
::: structure and superstructures of usenet.
::
:: I've been hanging in alt.config and various admin froups for many
:: years and I'm very familiar with suchlike ...
:::
::: Got any references you think I should familiarize myself with?
::
:: http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html might be a good
:: place to quote to your ISP to give them some usenet clue, not that
:: I'm too enamoured with tim recently.
:::
:
: Thanks.
: I think I've got of learning to do.

not quite as much as yer ISP though, seemingly.
:
: You can bet that I won't let this ISP off the hook here in
: explaining this abuse notice in terms of logic or diligence.
:
: They will need to show veracity of the charters' convention
: authority for whatever source they choose to use.

they'll have a huge job doing that since they're quoting an FAQ, not a
charter.
you should also persuade them to complain to the netKKKop's ISP for
sending fraudulent and unfounded abuse reports and to give you a year's
free access to compensate for your stress and inconvenience.
:
: You are telling me that there is no authoritative clearing house for
: group charters as such?

precisely. at least not in the alt.* hierarchy.

: Isn't there a central, 'physical'
: fileserver somewhere for any given group? A machine that someone has
: to sponsor and host and 'pay' for; even assuming these tasks are
: contracted out to agents?

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control...p-name-here.gz
any newgroup control message is stored there automagically once it is
sent.
the only charter that counts is the first one.

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order.
Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on
his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned.
*plonk*" bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick,
alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

More NetKKKop experience.
 

Steve Leyland wrote:
Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
: Steve Leyland wrote:
:: Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
::: Steve Leyland wrote:
:
: snip
:
::::
:::: "I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup" shows just
:::: exactly how ****ing clueless this admin is. everywon knows only
:::: fluffy pwns a froup!!!1!
:::::
:::
::: No No! that's me, Mr Steve.
::
:: ah I see, oh dear. don't waste yer time doing that mate.
:::
::: I'm trying to ask the folks who sponsor the froup if they think I
::: violated the charter.
::
:: what ****ing charter? a.s.a has no charter according to the official
:: isc.org site, that's just an FAQ quoted by the lying abusive serial
:: netKKKop.
:: hey, I'll post a new FAQ for asa right now,a lot
::
:: TEH NEW OFFICIAL ALT.SAILING.ASA FAQ AS APPROVED BY FLUFFY.
:: Q: why is this group being attacked by so many trolls?
:: A: because frivolous net-abusing control-freak netKKKops like JG can
:: kiss my hairy meower arse.
:: This FAQ supercedes all previous incarnations, bite me.
::
:: there ya go. that's the latest FAQ. get teh drift?
:::
::: I'll be the first to admit I'm knowing practically nothing about the
::: structure and superstructures of usenet.
::
:: I've been hanging in alt.config and various admin froups for many
:: years and I'm very familiar with suchlike ...
:::
::: Got any references you think I should familiarize myself with?
::
:: http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html might be a good
:: place to quote to your ISP to give them some usenet clue, not that
:: I'm too enamoured with tim recently.
:::
:
: Thanks.
: I think I've got of learning to do.

not quite as much as yer ISP though, seemingly.
:
: You can bet that I won't let this ISP off the hook here in
: explaining this abuse notice in terms of logic or diligence.
:
: They will need to show veracity of the charters' convention
: authority for whatever source they choose to use.

they'll have a huge job doing that since they're quoting an FAQ, not a
charter.
you should also persuade them to complain to the netKKKop's ISP for
sending fraudulent and unfounded abuse reports and to give you a year's
free access to compensate for your stress and inconvenience.
:
: You are telling me that there is no authoritative clearing house for
: group charters as such?

precisely. at least not in the alt.* hierarchy.

: Isn't there a central, 'physical'
: fileserver somewhere for any given group? A machine that someone has
: to sponsor and host and 'pay' for; even assuming these tasks are
: contracted out to agents?

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control...p-name-here.gz
any newgroup control message is stored there automagically once it is
sent.
the only charter that counts is the first one.


I get it.

This is the closest thing this group has to a 'charter'
and because it's an 'alt.*' forum it's pretty much at the mercy of
entropy as to whether it survives or not, based on traffic and
content; and a general consensus of those in the control hierarchy
who have the power to delete such things as these gzips that (I'm
guessing here) form a 'root thread' of sorts for the newsgroups..

So: William Tell; did I hit the apple?
(you can peek now)

--
Stop WW3!!

"Remember: Only YOU can prevent Forest Fires!"
....Smokey the Bear

More NetKKKop experience.
 

Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
: Steve Leyland wrote:
:: Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
::: Steve Leyland wrote:
:::: Mowe Z. Slowley wrote:
::::: Steve Leyland wrote:
:::
::: snip
:::
::::::
:::::: "I am researching with the owner of the newsgroup" shows just
:::::: exactly how ****ing clueless this admin is. everywon knows only
:::::: fluffy pwns a froup!!!1!
:::::::
:::::
::::: No No! that's me, Mr Steve.
::::
:::: ah I see, oh dear. don't waste yer time doing that mate.
:::::
::::: I'm trying to ask the folks who sponsor the froup if they think I
::::: violated the charter.
::::
:::: what ****ing charter? a.s.a has no charter according to the
:::: official isc.org site, that's just an FAQ quoted by the lying
:::: abusive serial netKKKop.
:::: hey, I'll post a new FAQ for asa right now,a lot
::::
:::: TEH NEW OFFICIAL ALT.SAILING.ASA FAQ AS APPROVED BY FLUFFY.
:::: Q: why is this group being attacked by so many trolls?
:::: A: because frivolous net-abusing control-freak netKKKops like JG
:::: can kiss my hairy meower arse.
:::: This FAQ supercedes all previous incarnations, bite me.
::::
:::: there ya go. that's the latest FAQ. get teh drift?
:::::
::::: I'll be the first to admit I'm knowing practically nothing about
::::: the structure and superstructures of usenet.
::::
:::: I've been hanging in alt.config and various admin froups for many
:::: years and I'm very familiar with suchlike ...
:::::
::::: Got any references you think I should familiarize myself with?
::::
:::: http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/faqs/spam.html might be a good
:::: place to quote to your ISP to give them some usenet clue, not that
:::: I'm too enamoured with tim recently.
:::::
:::
::: Thanks.
::: I think I've got of learning to do.
::
:: not quite as much as yer ISP though, seemingly.
:::
::: You can bet that I won't let this ISP off the hook here in
::: explaining this abuse notice in terms of logic or diligence.
:::
::: They will need to show veracity of the charters' convention
::: authority for whatever source they choose to use.
::
:: they'll have a huge job doing that since they're quoting an FAQ, not
:: a charter.
:: you should also persuade them to complain to the netKKKop's ISP for
:: sending fraudulent and unfounded abuse reports and to give you a
:: year's free access to compensate for your stress and inconvenience.
:::
::: You are telling me that there is no authoritative clearing house for
::: group charters as such?
::
:: precisely. at least not in the alt.* hierarchy.
::
::: Isn't there a central, 'physical'
::: fileserver somewhere for any given group? A machine that someone has
::: to sponsor and host and 'pay' for; even assuming these tasks are
::: contracted out to agents?
::
:: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control...p-name-here.gz
:: any newgroup control message is stored there automagically once it is
:: sent.
:: the only charter that counts is the first one.
::
:
: I get it.
:
: This is the closest thing this group has to a 'charter'

a.s.a has no charter. ganz is a liar.

: and because it's an 'alt.*' forum it's pretty much at the mercy of
: entropy as to whether it survives or not, based on traffic and
: content; and a general consensus of those in the control hierarchy
: who have the power to delete such things as these gzips that (I'm
: guessing here) form a 'root thread' of sorts for the newsgroups..

well not really. usenet depends on a large number of NSPs all peering
(sharing files) with each-other. the purpose of the archive at isc.org
is for NSP admins to review and add new groups as they see fit or when
requested to do so by customers.
nobody can delete anything from the isc archive apart from the admin of
that site.
:
: So: William Tell; did I hit the apple?
: (you can peek now)

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

Jury: Twelve people who determine which client has the better lawyer.
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick,
alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow