Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
 

I still think he was T-boned by an outbound ship.

Your conclusion makes sense . But Joe what perplexes me is...
wouldn't some sort of debris be evident as a result?

I am also quite curious as to what Jonathan has *recently* heard
from the locals... since this tragedy took place in his "front
yard"
so to speak.

I'm almost certain his sailing community is awash with various
theories.

Also... the CG's Northern California deputy sector commander
Captain Swatland is also very stymied by this event. I think he said
something to the effect that he personally doesn't remember anything
happening like this in his 20 plus years career.

Bill

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wrote in message
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I still think he was T-boned by an outbound ship.

Your conclusion makes sense . But Joe what perplexes me is...
wouldn't some sort of debris be evident as a result?

I am also quite curious as to what Jonathan has *recently* heard
from the locals... since this tragedy took place in his "front
yard"
so to speak.

I'm almost certain his sailing community is awash with various
theories.

Also... the CG's Northern California deputy sector commander
Captain Swatland is also very stymied by this event. I think he said
something to the effect that he personally doesn't remember anything
happening like this in his 20 plus years career.

Bill




Yes, you're right on all counts... there should be debris. There is none so
far. The local community is awash with rumors, nothing solid.


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"Joe" wrote
The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Duh! Not very bright for a guess. Don't they use some big bolts to hold the keel
on? Don't they use fiberglass thicker than anything to bolt it to. If you hit the keel
hard enough to knock it clean off you'd break the bolts before you'd rip the
whole bottom of the boat off. You gotta think of the forces that happen. They
won't try to pull the keel down. They'll try to stop it in its tracks. But the hull
will try to keep going. The bow will go down almost to the deck and the water
will absorb most of the shock.
How fast can that boat go? Maybe seven or eight knots? If the keel hit
a solid rock going that slow it would just bounce back after hitting it.
Nope, it's an insurance scam for life insurance. The guy worked for Microsoft.
He's probably got a huge life insurance policy and a giant retirement plan his
wife's now gonna get. You watch. You'll see I'm right. Somebody needs to ask
the neighbors if they saw anybody loading lots of groceries on the boat.
I was right about that Democrat senator who's practically a vegetable wasn't
I. But I cheated on that one. I had inside info. This time I'm just using my intuition.

Cheers,
Ellen

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote
(in article .com):

On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a
matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation,
ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but
IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of
boat.

A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from?

The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C
hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile
working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of
with it. Just a guesstimate.

Joe



Cheers
Marty



I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

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Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
 

I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole
out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little
narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using
the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a
sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into
the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

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Bowman 57

wow nice boat!

NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:56:00 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article Qx7xh.4117$h75.3974@trnddc01):



I skippered a Bowman 57 for a # of years and the owner wanted to gunkhole
out
towards the canadian border up a deep when the tide was i but a little
narrow
when it was out "fiord". On the way out in the morning in dense fog using
the
radar and loran we tore the side of the keel open on a ledge. All of a
sudden
there was this loud hissing sound. After a thorough and quick inspection I
determined that we had ripped the holding tank open. They built them into
the
keel on that boat. Owner left and I spent ten days at hinckly yard. Damage
repaired.

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Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


Bowman 57

wow nice boat!

NH_/)_
www.sailirc.net



Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

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Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
 

Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

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What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

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don't worry I will find the answer and post it

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"Mundo" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and
down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
 

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www.sailirc.net

"Mundo" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):


Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and
down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass


What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?



Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

--

This is what I found then I also found that the cutoff is 100ft then its a
small ship so who knows


Used to be a 3 masted, square rigged vessel was a ship, in the 19th C. Prior
to that description may have had lots to do with the hull of the vessel
distinguishing from a Flyut, a Cat, Frigate, or Sloop ( all of them could
have been square rigged on 3 masts - from the 17th to 18th cent.
Ships were technically classed if they were powered, and the means of
propulsion, ( MV ( motor vessel ) vs SS, ( Steam Ship) and many MVs are
large cargo carriers that would be categorized as a ship in addition to
being tow boats, or tug boats and a wide number of other types as well.
Of late FV denotes a fishing vessel .

The British Navy rated their ships by not just rig but also by decks and the
number of guns they carried, thus a 3 masted square rigged single decked
vessel is technically a sloop.
A two decked vessel would be a frigate. or maybe not. and then you get into
the rates, 6th rate, 5th rate, and so on.

I guess its a matter of size and power but I have often wondered
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"sailirc" wrote

I guess its a matter of size and power but I have often wondered

I think it's got something to with how many blocks of ice from the sky it can
hold.... You know, those ones that global warming freeze up there in the sky?

Cheers,
Ellen

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how's Neal tonight

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"sailirc" wrote

I guess its a matter of size and power but I have often wondered

I think it's got something to with how many blocks of ice from the sky
it can
hold.... You know, those ones that global warming freeze up there in the
sky?

Cheers,
Ellen

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"sailirc" wrote
how's Neal tonight

Are you talking about the world famous mariner Captain Neal?
He's probably doing pretty good. I'm sure a man like that everything
he touches turns to gold. I emailed him a bunch of times as but he never
answers. I even signed his guest book
http://www.homestead.com/~site/Scrip...V=2&H_U=164271
with a link to a photo of me but he never answered. I guess he's out sailing
someplace and his his hands full with his crew. They're prettier than me,
I hate to admit. :-(

Cheers,
Ellen

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On Feb 3, 5:02 pm, Mundo wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:23:36 -0500, sailirc wrote
(in article IX7xh.8816$VY5.5727@trnddc08):



Great Boat. I did to full (back and forth) trans atlantics and up and down
east coast a dozen times. One of my favorite charges... I have only
captained
one other boat I would rather own. Nordhavn 62. I did a delivery to the
V.I's
Last year. Wow. Mini ship!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

What footage is it to be classified as a yacht 60ft?

Don't really care.
I seem to remember that a yacht held a dinghy, a boat held a yacht, and a
ship carried a boat. I'm sure that is wrong but you get the idea.

http://www.naval-technology.com/cont...e/USS-Cole.jpg

Big boat

Joe

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Here's a possible scenario...

He's out there to scatter his mother's ashes. The wind and seas are
relatively calm, so he's likely running on the engine. Perhaps he has the
autohelm driving. Even sunny, it's pretty cold right now, and with the
moving boat, he's definitely wearing a foulie or something for a wind break.
Since he's a careful sailor, according to all the reports, he's definitely
wearing a PFD is likely tethered to the boat. I would be if single-handing
offshore. (I do that in the bay when by myself on a typical day of 15 to 20
kts.)

He has some sort of catestrophic medical event.. HA, stroke, whatever, and
dies or is incapacitated quickly, unable to summon help. The boat continues
under autopilot at say 7 kts. If this happened at 10 nm offshore, about the
max range of a cell phone in that area, and he wasn't reported missing until
20:30 hours, then when they finally started looking say at 22:00, he would
have been 20 x 7 = 140 nm. It would take them several more hours to search
this far out, so he might be 200 nm off. The boat would have something like
40 gals max. So, at 5 miles per gallon (SWAG) that would be 200 nm until the
engine died, but if sails were up, it would still be going. Perhaps he was
able to sail for part of the trip. If so, that would extend the range. The
winds were light, under 10 kts, but that's still enough to make good
progress.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 31, 9:54 pm, "
wrote:
Bet it had a keel smile,

Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just
not familiar with that term?

Just google "C&C smile". There is some sort of gasket between the cast
keel and the hull, with filler added.
When you see a C&C just hauled from the water you knowtice the flexing
causes a crack at the joint, when you look at the boat from the head
on the crack makes it looks as if it's smiling. Bobspirt had this
problem with the C&C he had.

Joe



Here's a good link:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/m...curynews_local

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