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Search Resumed For Missing SailorMissing After Trip To Farallons
By Amy Hollyfield Jan. 30 - KGO - The Coast Guard resumed their search at daybreak for a respected Silicon Valley computer scientist who disappeared Sunday. Authorities say he was sailing his 40 foot yacht to the Farallon Islands, and never returned. He left from the Gas House Cove Marina next to Fort Mason on Sunday. His car is there, but the boat is not. The Coast Guard searched from a C-130 plane until about 3:15 a.m. Tuesday morning, but there is still no sign of the missing sailor. Sixty-three-year-old Jim Gray planned to sail to the Farallon Islands and back on Sunday. The Coast Guard calls it a simple trip -- especially during Sunday's perfect conditions. Lt. Amy Marrs, U.S. Coast Guard: "It has been a rather perplexing case because we just don't have any sign as to what might have happened, and given the good weather conditions we're just not sure. But we're going to continue searching until we have some kind of a lead or clue." Gray was last heard from on Sunday morning. His wife called the Coast Guard Sunday night when he didn't return and didn't answer his cell phone. Gray is a computer scientist for Microsoft who has 10 years sailing experience. His wife says he is in good health and is sensible about sailing. Lt. Amy Marrs, U.S. Coast Guard: "According to the information we got from his wife, he is a very safety-oriented sailor. He was reported to have been clipped into his vessel, which is a very safe practice -- especially when sailing alone. He's also very reliable -- not somebody that would just not check in." He's an accomplished researcher and a software designer. He worked with astronomers to build a global telescope that would make data available on the Internet. Copyright 2007, ABC7/KGO-TV/DT. |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... Search Resumed For Missing SailorMissing After Trip To Farallons By Amy Hollyfield Jan. 30 - KGO - The Coast Guard resumed their search at daybreak for a respected Silicon Valley computer scientist who disappeared Sunday. Authorities say he was sailing his 40 foot yacht to the Farallon Islands, and never returned. He left from the Gas House Cove Marina next to Fort Mason on Sunday. His car is there, but the boat is not. The Coast Guard searched from a C-130 plane until about 3:15 a.m. Tuesday morning, but there is still no sign of the missing sailor. Sixty-three-year-old Jim Gray planned to sail to the Farallon Islands and back on Sunday. The Coast Guard calls it a simple trip -- especially during Sunday's perfect conditions. Lt. Amy Marrs, U.S. Coast Guard: "It has been a rather perplexing case because we just don't have any sign as to what might have happened, and given the good weather conditions we're just not sure. But we're going to continue searching until we have some kind of a lead or clue." Gray was last heard from on Sunday morning. His wife called the Coast Guard Sunday night when he didn't return and didn't answer his cell phone. Gray is a computer scientist for Microsoft who has 10 years sailing experience. His wife says he is in good health and is sensible about sailing. Lt. Amy Marrs, U.S. Coast Guard: "According to the information we got from his wife, he is a very safety-oriented sailor. He was reported to have been clipped into his vessel, which is a very safe practice -- especially when sailing alone. He's also very reliable -- not somebody that would just not check in." He's an accomplished researcher and a software designer. He worked with astronomers to build a global telescope that would make data available on the Internet. Copyright 2007, ABC7/KGO-TV/DT. Wow... don't know the guy, but the LT is right... conditions were pretty much perfect over the weekend. Unfortunately, I was busy, so no sailing. The Farallons trip can be not nice at all sometimes, especially this time of year, but the weather is pretty stable right now. The Potato Patch especially can be dangerous in the extreme. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote Search Resumed For Missing SailorMissing After Trip To Farallons By Amy Hollyfield snipped all the rest I know a scam when I read one. The dude's 63. He's ready to retire. He's got good insurance no doubt. No doubt his retirement plan has his wife as beneficiary. He's off to Hawaii or somewhere else. She'll wait and have him declared dead. She'll collect his million dollar life insurance policy and his retirement. They'll join up at a time and place already planned. I hope he can trust her. Cheers, Ellen |
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Seem he was on a C&C 40. Bet it had a keel smile, smacked a log or
container and suck in a few seconds with the owner tethered to the boat. Id never wear a teather on a C&C. Joe |
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That sounds like a good plan. Mind if I borrow it?
Scotty "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... "Joe" wrote Search Resumed For Missing SailorMissing After Trip To Farallons By Amy Hollyfield snipped all the rest I know a scam when I read one. The dude's 63. He's ready to retire. He's got good insurance no doubt. No doubt his retirement plan has his wife as beneficiary. He's off to Hawaii or somewhere else. She'll wait and have him declared dead. She'll collect his million dollar life insurance policy and his retirement. They'll join up at a time and place already planned. I hope he can trust her. Cheers, Ellen |
Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... Seem he was on a C&C 40. Bet it had a keel smile, smacked a log or container and suck in a few seconds with the owner tethered to the boat. Id never wear a teather on a C&C. Joe You don't know much about C&Cs then. They're quite well-made. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bet it had a keel smile,
Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Wow... don't know the guy, but.. Jonathan... today... Latitude 38 had a pretty good presentation of what the situation is and the victim envolved.. and the measures that have been undertaken by the "coasties" S&R measures... which seemed kind of thorough. Since your are a local... at this particular hour... what is now your take on this dilemma? Bill |
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oups.com... Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Wow... don't know the guy, but.. Jonathan... today... Latitude 38 had a pretty good presentation of what the situation is and the victim envolved.. and the measures that have been undertaken by the "coasties" S&R measures... which seemed kind of thorough. Since your are a local... at this particular hour... what is now your take on this dilemma? Bill I really have no clue as to what happened. While I'm not familiar with Gray nor his boat, I am familiar with the area and with C&C 40s. This part of the Pacific coast can be nasty, but he had a good boat. I suppose it's possible that he was sunk by a whale, which do travel in the area, but I think that's a stretch. Also, a collision with another boat is a possibility, but again, remote in my opinion. Certainly, he was not struck by a large ship, unless he was in one of the traffic lanes, and in that case, it would have been reported. The larger vessels don't go all that close to the islands. I've got a friend who sails out of that marina, but I haven't heard anything else. Very strange. This is not some kook or desperate guy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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oups.com... Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Wow... don't know the guy, but.. Jonathan... today... Latitude 38 had a pretty good presentation of what the situation is and the victim envolved.. and the measures that have been undertaken by the "coasties" S&R measures... which seemed kind of thorough. Since your are a local... at this particular hour... what is now your take on this dilemma? Bill I just re-read the article, and it's even more strange, given the benign conditions... 4 ft seas are *nothing*, especially with light air. Either this some kind of deliberate mis-adventure or it was something catastrophic, but then there was no debris found. I suppose that's possible given the size of the search grid, but it seems hard to believe. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Feb 1, 12:20 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Wow... don't know the guy, but.. Jonathan... today... Latitude 38 had a pretty good presentation of what the situation is and the victim envolved.. and the measures that have been undertaken by the "coasties" S&R measures... which seemed kind of thorough. Since your are a local... at this particular hour... what is now your take on this dilemma? Bill I just re-read the article, and it's even more strange, given the benign conditions... 4 ft seas are *nothing*, especially with light air. Either this some kind of deliberate mis-adventure or it was something catastrophic, but then there was no debris found. I suppose that's possible given the size of the search grid, but it seems hard to believe. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast. Cheers Marty |
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I suppose that it was possible that he was sunk by a whale.
Jonathan... Now that you mentioned it... A friend of mine (K7HI) is the Radio-Electronics Officer aboard the Matson container ship "Kauai". Just a couple of days ago... North of the victim's assumed location the Kauai wrapped a fairly good sized whale (they think it was a Blue) around the bow just above the bulb. The bridge watch at the time... first noticed a drop in RPMs from 100 to 90... and speed... as well as an irregular wake pattern. Needless to say... the "critter" was killed as a result of the im- pact. Bill |
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On Feb 1, 9:45 am, "
wrote: I suppose that it was possible that he was sunk by a whale. Jonathan... Now that you mentioned it... A friend of mine (K7HI) is the Radio-Electronics Officer aboard the Matson container ship "Kauai". Just a couple of days ago... North of the victim's assumed location the Kauai wrapped a fairly good sized whale (they think it was a Blue) around the bow just above the bulb. The bridge watch at the time... first noticed a drop in RPMs from 100 to 90... and speed... as well as an irregular wake pattern. Needless to say... the "critter" was killed as a result of the im- pact. Bill Maybe the whale was code word for sailboat. Joe |
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On Feb 1, 9:10 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote: If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast. Cheers Marty Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. Joe |
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ups.com... I suppose that it was possible that he was sunk by a whale. Jonathan... Now that you mentioned it... A friend of mine (K7HI) is the Radio-Electronics Officer aboard the Matson container ship "Kauai". Just a couple of days ago... North of the victim's assumed location the Kauai wrapped a fairly good sized whale (they think it was a Blue) around the bow just above the bulb. The bridge watch at the time... first noticed a drop in RPMs from 100 to 90... and speed... as well as an irregular wake pattern. Needless to say... the "critter" was killed as a result of the im- pact. Bill Yeah, I saw that... too bad for the whale I guess. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
... Joe wrote: If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast. Cheers Marty Neither do I. You'd have plenty of time and there would still be debris of some kind... cushions, whatever. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maybe the whale was code word for sailboat. Naw... I don't think so Joe... in this particular incident. But I think I know where your coming from with that thought. The media has a photo... I believe taken from the bridge (this is one of those vessels with the main accomodations way the heck up front ....damn near rising straight above the bow) of the poor old whale wrapped around and partially severed as well. Bill |
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On Jan 31, 9:54 pm, "
wrote: Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Just google "C&C smile". There is some sort of gasket between the cast keel and the hull, with filler added. When you see a C&C just hauled from the water you knowtice the flexing causes a crack at the joint, when you look at the boat from the head on the crack makes it looks as if it's smiling. Bobspirt had this problem with the C&C he had. Joe |
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Joe wrote:
Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? Cheers Marty |
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On Feb 1, 11:02 am, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 08:36:44 -0800, "Joe" wrote: On Jan 31, 9:54 pm, " wrote: Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Just google "C&C smile". There is some sort of gasket between the cast keel and the hull, with filler added. When you see a C&C just hauled from the water you knowtice the flexing causes a crack at the joint, when you look at the boat from the head on the crack makes it looks as if it's smiling. Bobspirt had this problem with the C&C he had. Joe Yeah, you REALLY know what you are talking about, Joe. Sheesh, what a numb-nuts. CWM- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I never said I was an expert dick breath. I said to google it http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...=Search+Groups 4,980 hit's on C&C smile Let me guess you have a tender, cracking C&C right BB? Joe |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote You are making Nellen look like a genius. You ain't too swuft! Everybody thinks, "Oh it got sunk, it got run over by a ship." Duh! It's obviously an insurance scam. The guy's on his way to Thailand or something. I always heard those Cal40s were fast and seaworthy. They still win races and they're old. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote Now who is an idiot? Insurance scam? Very doubtful, seeing as the guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It wasn't a Cal40, either. Maybe Joe isn't quite as stupid as you after all. It's pretty close though. Duh! You don't know men. Wealthy men especially. Really rich men never have enough money. Now, this guy's rich and I know that. So what he's gonna do is collect on his kazillion dollar life insurance police. His wife that is. Then she still has all his wealth plus the life insurance settlement. So he "dies". Then his wife gets it all. In a few years she'll move it all outta the country to scam the tax laws. They'll both live like kings and live happily ever after. I know men. I know a lot of rich men and they even talk about this.... Especially when Democrats are gonna raise taxes on the wealthy. Wealthy men are greedy but they ain't stupid! Cheers, Ellen |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote You are obviously not a wealthy man, Neal. As you said yourself above, wealthy men are not stupid. Based on that, you must be borrowing things from homeless people to get by. Your double wrong, I'm a wealthy woman. I've got a winter condo in Florida and a nice Chalet in De. (that's Deutschland, dummy). Cheers, Ellen |
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On Feb 1, 1:08 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:04:22 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote You are making Nellen look like a genius. You ain't too swuft! Everybody thinks, "Oh it got sunk, it got run over by a ship." Duh! It's obviously an insurance scam. The guy's on his way to Thailand or something. I always heard those Cal40s were fast and seaworthy. They still win races and they're old. Cheers, Ellen Now who is an idiot? Insurance scam? Very doubtful, seeing as the guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It wasn't a Cal40, either. Maybe Joe isn't quite as stupid as you after all. It's pretty close though. CWM Seems you are the idiot BB, falling for his idiot blonde Cal40 troll 1st. And second for buying a boat with a major design defect. Did you buy Ghost? Or just bounce off the same charted rock as bubbles? And third for thinking people that appear to be very wealthy, do not pull off insurance scams and dis-appear. Damn BB... you are dumber than Neal's Dumb Bimbo sockpuppet...that is dumb. Joe |
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what do you do for a living, Ellen?
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... "Charlie Morgan" wrote You are obviously not a wealthy man, Neal. As you said yourself above, wealthy men are not stupid. Based on that, you must be borrowing things from homeless people to get by. Your double wrong, I'm a wealthy woman. I've got a winter condo in Florida and a nice Chalet in De. (that's Deutschland, dummy). Cheers, Ellen |
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BB's idea of wealthy is being able to eat at Dennys, instead
of McDonalds. SV "Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. .. On Feb 1, 1:08 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:04:22 -0500, "Ellen MacArthur" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote You are making Nellen look like a genius. You ain't too swuft! Everybody thinks, "Oh it got sunk, it got run over by a ship." Duh! It's obviously an insurance scam. The guy's on his way to Thailand or something. I always heard those Cal40s were fast and seaworthy. They still win races and they're old. Cheers, Ellen Now who is an idiot? Insurance scam? Very doubtful, seeing as the guy was EXTREMELY wealthy. It wasn't a Cal40, either. Maybe Joe isn't quite as stupid as you after all. It's pretty close though. CWM Seems you are the idiot BB, falling for his idiot blonde Cal40 troll 1st. And second for buying a boat with a major design defect. Did you buy Ghost? Or just bounce off the same charted rock as bubbles? And third for thinking people that appear to be very wealthy, do not pull off insurance scams and dis-appear. Damn BB... you are dumber than Neal's Dumb Bimbo sockpuppet...that is dumb. Joe |
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"Scotty" wrote what do you do for a living, Ellen? Isn't it obvious. I'm a model. People like to look at me. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote I have no way of knowing which is better. You really ought to get over the "BB" thing. It only indicates a weakness in your own makeup and intellectual capacity. Yeah! He outta call you BS..... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:40:46 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: BB's idea of wealthy is being able to eat at Dennys, instead of McDonalds. I have no way of knowing which is better. I can't afford either one. BB Oh, Billy! |
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If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast. Cheers Marty Neither do I. You'd have plenty of time and there would still be debris of some kind... cushions, whatever. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drug runners and real modern pirates , this may be a possibility -- NH_/)_ www.sailirc.net |
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"sailirc" wrote in message
news:5uvwh.63726$uC6.1078@trnddc02... If he hit a potato (in the patch) it ripped off the bolted on keel and he sunk in just a few seconds. On top of that he was tethered to the boat and was pulled down with her. Thats my guess. With such light winds he was motoring at full speed. I don't think that C&C 40 _without_ a keel would sink all that fast. Cheers Marty Neither do I. You'd have plenty of time and there would still be debris of some kind... cushions, whatever. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Drug runners and real modern pirates , this may be a possibility -- NH_/)_ www.sailirc.net Near SF??? No way, no how. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On Feb 1, 11:02 am, Charlie Morgan wrote: On 1 Feb 2007 08:36:44 -0800, "Joe" wrote: On Jan 31, 9:54 pm, " wrote: Bet it had a keel smile, Hey Joe... what does that statement mean? As a layperson I'm just not familiar with that term? Just google "C&C smile". There is some sort of gasket between the cast keel and the hull, with filler added. When you see a C&C just hauled from the water you knowtice the flexing causes a crack at the joint, when you look at the boat from the head on the crack makes it looks as if it's smiling. Bobspirt had this problem with the C&C he had. Joe Yeah, you REALLY know what you are talking about, Joe. Sheesh, what a numb-nuts. CWM- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I never said I was an expert dick breath. I said to google it http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...=Search+Groups 4,980 hit's on C&C smile Let me guess you have a tender, cracking C&C right BB? Joe Smile or not, it wouldn't sink quickly. This isn't the answer. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Feb 1, 5:49 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:40:46 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: BB's idea of wealthy is being able to eat at Dennys, instead of McDonalds. I have no way of knowing which is better. You really ought to get over the "BB" thing. It only indicates a weakness in your own makeup and intellectual capacity. CWM Why is that BB?, even the picture of your ugly mug, that you posted... was titled BB. Don't worry BB, just because you use to be a total dip**** asshole as BB is no reason you can not change if you want to. Joe |
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On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote
(in article .com): On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote: Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty Yep that will ruin your day....I have been on the water for 38 years and never heard of such a load of crap..... Are you a conspiracist as well? -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass |
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Joe wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote: Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty I knew someone who sailed all the way back from the Carib. to Michigan in a 40' CandC, with the smile, after he had hit a reef there....the smile was quite extensive and the repair job took awhile, but the damage to the underside did not warrant him scuttling the trip back with the boat. I also knew someone with a 46' CandC who hit a rock hard in the St. Mary's River up between the lower and upper Peninsula of MI and they ,made it back to White Lake, Mi without taking on water or further damage...the whole keel does not rip off...it was a design flaw and is correctable and IMO, worth correcting because they are excellent boats...we considered CandC's but they are a little bleak in the downstairs department...not a lot of wood, which we like in an interior... |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Joe wrote: On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote: Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty I knew someone who sailed all the way back from the Carib. to Michigan in a 40' CandC, with the smile, after he had hit a reef there....the smile was quite extensive and the repair job took awhile, but the damage to the underside did not warrant him scuttling the trip back with the boat. I also knew someone with a 46' CandC who hit a rock hard in the St. Mary's River up between the lower and upper Peninsula of MI and they ,made it back to White Lake, Mi without taking on water or further damage...the whole keel does not rip off...it was a design flaw and is correctable and IMO, worth correcting because they are excellent boats...we considered CandC's but they are a little bleak in the downstairs department...not a lot of wood, which we like in an interior... I've sailed in the bay and to the Farallons on a C&C 40, early 80s version, and in not that great shape.. certainly not as nice a one as Gray, and it was a very sturdy boat. I would have no hesitation in taking one coastal cruising in these waters, all things being equal. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
On Feb 3, 8:41 am, Mundo wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote (in article .com): On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote: Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty Yep that will ruin your day....I have been on the water for 38 years and never heard of such a load of crap..... Are you a conspiracist as well? -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this on the net: The S.S. Iole In September a severe Channel gale dismasted her and caused her other damage. Refitted, the Iole set out again early in the year with Major Thomas Blandy as commander and Captain " Sailor " Fielder as navigating officer, but when entering the Humber on Saturday 19th June she ran on a sandbank; the tide was so violent that her keel was torn off and she sank immediately. All hands were saved, but they lost their belongings. Jon spoke of the Potato patch, combined with SF's fierce tides, and a faulty keel design it's a big possiablilty IMO. I still think he was T-bone by an outbound ship. Microsoft is reviewing satt. images looking for Gray, and at ships in the area at the time. I'm sure they have people around the globe cheaking ship bows for traces of red fiberglass or fresh paint damage. Joe |
Hit by ship maybe? Sailed off into the sunset?
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Feb 3, 8:41 am, Mundo wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0500, Joe wrote (in article .com): On Feb 1, 11:23 am, Martin Baxter wrote: Joe wrote: Well a 2'X8' hole in the bottom of most boats would sink them in a matter of a few seconds. The C&C 40 has no type of foam floatation, ect. I think it would go down like a rock. Not a bad looking boat, but IMO a Pearson 40 is a better boat if you are looking for that type of boat. A 2' x 8' hole! Were did you get that from? The fin keel on a C&C 40 is approx 8' long and 1.5' wide. when the C&C hits something it rips the hole thing off starting at the smile working aft. Add 6" on each side of the thin hull that gets ripped of with it. Just a guesstimate. Joe Cheers Marty Yep that will ruin your day....I have been on the water for 38 years and never heard of such a load of crap..... Are you a conspiracist as well? -- Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I found this on the net: The S.S. Iole In September a severe Channel gale dismasted her and caused her other damage. Refitted, the Iole set out again early in the year with Major Thomas Blandy as commander and Captain " Sailor " Fielder as navigating officer, but when entering the Humber on Saturday 19th June she ran on a sandbank; the tide was so violent that her keel was torn off and she sank immediately. All hands were saved, but they lost their belongings. Jon spoke of the Potato patch, combined with SF's fierce tides, and a faulty keel design it's a big possiablilty IMO. I still think he was T-bone by an outbound ship. Microsoft is reviewing satt. images looking for Gray, and at ships in the area at the time. I'm sure they have people around the globe cheaking ship bows for traces of red fiberglass or fresh paint damage. Joe There would have been significant debris from a collision, and as far as bad weather goes, it wasn't that day. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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