Salvaging or scavenging?
 

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:29:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

We all know that we're
required to help fellow boaters,

Where do you find this requirement?

You're required to render assistance to boats in distress unless it puts
you, your crew, or you boat in peril.


Just because you have a contract doesn't mean you're limited
to what you'll insist on collecting.

Simply a wrong statement of the law.

So, what you're saying is that if I have a contract with you, and I decide
not to enforce it, I'm liable somehow????


In other words, your Lloyds contract isn't worth it and best not used. If
one has to use a contract to feel more secure, one based and enforced by
US
jurisdiction would be more appropriate; thus, the one I mentioned from
BoatUS.

Why do you believe US courts would not enforce the LLoyds contract? Does
it
call for jurisdiction and venue exclusively in another jurisdiction?

I believe it does from what I've read. The requirement is for action in an
English courtroom I believe.

Why don't you look into it and let us know.


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On 24 Jan 2007 15:20:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:29:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

We all know that we're
required to help fellow boaters,

Where do you find this requirement?

eg. http://www.imo.org/Facilitation/main...?topic_id=1395

Salvaging or scavenging, or screwing?
 

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 7:06 am, Jeff wrote:
Wouldn't you have a problem if you sailed away from a
situation where there was loss of life?


Good question Jeff, I wondered the same. As a salvor on location it
would seem you would have to stay while there is any risk to life.
However if the boat vessel refuses help and you feel you are in risk by
staying, then I.m sure you have the right and duty to save your vessel
and crew.


The problem with a Lloyd's contract is that the arbitration must be
done in London under British laws, at the likely expense of the boat
owner. Any small boat salvor who requires it in the US is not to be
trusted.

I'm sure there are 100's of lawers that work for non-english companies
all the time. I also imagine Lloyds is fair, faster, and deals with
99.9 percent of the worlds salvor atributions.

The difference of our opinion's probly arise because we are thinking
on different levels.

First I've never pull a salvage contract on any persons personal boat,
unless it's big enough to needs Lloyds insurance, and is manned with
professional crew.

In the gulf I would look for cargo ships, tankers, containers,
crewboats, supplyboats, helo's, siesmic boats and cables, shrimpboats,
snapper boats, long liners, barges and such.

In 1983 we found a 2.5 miles long seismic cable. It was lost in a
storm by one of the Quest boats. I was an AB at the time. We spent 5
hrs flaking it on deck of the Point Barrow (225 ft supply boat) with a
tugger. My next paycheck had a 1,500 dollar bonus, the OS got 1000, the
mate got 3000, and the Capt got 6000.

We were all very pleased until we found out the company got 1.5
million for the cable.

Joe


Screwing definitely.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 1:29 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Sorry, but this has to be in at least pigeon English before I can
understand
it.

Take a few hits of purple micro-dot, or orange sunshine then try to
understand.

Joe

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Why did you leave out windowpane?

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 2:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:

I use altered reality.

Like this?

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs11/300...ELYVILLAIN.jpg

Joe


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My first trip was to the Salvador Dali museum in Cleveland. I knew nothing
about his art at the time. Double freak.
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
BoatUS is a big group of pussies dealing with ski boats
and trailor
sailors Jon.

If you do not sign my contract and you have a loss of
life, or

Loss of life? Wouldn't you have a problem if you sailed
away from a
situation where there was loss of life?

if not now, later on.






How does "on" modify "later?" What am I missing here? That isn't funny.
Is it?


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jlrogers±³©

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"Joe" wrote in message
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..


On Jan 24, 1:59 pm, "Scotty"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
oglegroups
..com...



We are not talking about our job, or the work we were
hired to do. We
went above and beyond for the company. It was a
windfall
for the
company due to our extra efforts. If I handed you a
1.5
million
dollars, because when I was driving your truck, I
picked
up howard
hughes hitchhicking ...how much would you give me?
Keep in
mind I did
not have to tell you squat.mmmm, prolly about 50k.
You should be grateful you got
anything.

cheap *******!


YOUR FIRED !!!!

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"Capt. JG" wrote


I wonder if those drugs he took that he talked about
in those posts Gilligan googled
turned Capt. JG into a homosexual?

Is that your technique? Does that work for you? I use
reality.


TMI

Salvaging or scavenging?
 

Dave wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:18:50 +0000, Goofball_star_dot_etal
said:

On 24 Jan 2007 15:20:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:29:28 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

We all know that we're
required to help fellow boaters,
Where do you find this requirement?
eg. http://www.imo.org/Facilitation/main...?topic_id=1395

Nice try, but no cigar. Can't speak to other countries' laws, but in the US,
at least the conventions referred to would not be binding on the individual
vessel operator in the absence of implementing legislation or application by
the courts of admiralty as a matter of common law. Notice that the
convention talks about obligations of the contracting governments.

So two questions.

1. Has the federal government adopted implementing legislation?

2. If so, does it apply both to documented vessels and to undocumented
vessels?

It would appear it applies to all vessels:


US Code TITLE 46 Subtitle II Part A CHAPTER 23

§ 2301. Application

Except as provided in section 2306 of this title, this chapter applies
to a vessel operated on waters subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States (including the territorial sea of the United States as
described in Presidential Proclamation No. 5928 of December 27, 1988)
and, for a vessel owned in the United States, on the high seas.

....

§ 2304. Duty to provide assistance at sea

(a) A master or individual in charge of a vessel shall render
assistance to any individual found at sea in danger of being lost, so
far as the master or individual in charge can do so without serious
danger to the master’s or individual’s vessel or individuals on board.
(b) A master or individual violating this section shall be fined not
more than $1,000, imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both.

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"Scotty" wrote
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

That's where your house is. Your IP number comes from
Manheim. I searched it.....


You wrote, wrongly.......

"Nellen MacArthur" wrote


Manheim, PA. Isn't that where Scotty's from?
roflmsvao

Cheers,
Ellen