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this might be an
example of a situation in which the Mac, with its
flimsy
construction
and crappy hull desiegn, would have kept you safe and
sound,
still tied to the dock..

Jim




Jim's right. I should never have left the dock.

Not without at least a 70 HP motor.

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this might be an
example of a situation in which the Mac, with its
flimsy
construction
and crappy hull desiegn, would have kept you safe and
sound,
still tied to the dock..

Jim




Jim's right. I should never have left the dock.

Not without at least a 70 HP motor.





Yeah, I guess my wimpy 13 hp just doesn't cut it.

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"Neptune" wrote in message
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You are absolute right, Jim. With all of the options available on the
Mac26 it would have never been in such a dangerous situation. Leave it
to a "I'm right no matter what" liberal bonehead to fail to take all
measures to avoid an impending collision and then blame everyone else
and accept no responsibility of his own. Remember, you heard just one
side of a multi-sided story. If it wasn't the tugboat captain's fault
then it would be Bush's fault.

That Mac26 is a unique and excellent choice of a boat. For those who
don't want to tolerate the mundane drudgeries of get-nowhere sailing
that boat is the best escape. Plus you can sail it when conditions are
favorable. No one chops firewood, milks the cow, slaughters their own
food anymore so why do people insist on such dangerous, outmoded
methods of transportation?

Their sailboats don't have signal flags, they don't know semaphore or
morse code, their stoves aren't coal fired, no, they have modern solid
state radios, radar, microwaves, led lights, automapping and yet they
insist their "sailing" put them in a different time and somehow makes
them superior. It is all denial and they are fooling themselves. They
are no different than those weekend Harley fruit boys who put on
leather and drive around loudly acting tough. All a phoney image!

It's rather amusing that powerboaters usually get into trouble when
the engine fails and sailboaters get intotrouble when under sail.
Sailboaters account for more offshore rescues than powerboaters.

Good on you Jim! At least you have some sense!


Neptune, King of the Sea with Davey Jones locker full of sailboats!


Amazing how much of this I agree with!


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Neptune wrote:
You are absolute right, Jim. With all of the options available on the
Mac26 it would have never been in such a dangerous situation. Leave it
to a "I'm right no matter what" liberal bonehead to fail to take all
measures to avoid an impending collision and then blame everyone else
and accept no responsibility of his own. Remember, you heard just one
side of a multi-sided story. If it wasn't the tugboat captain's fault
then it would be Bush's fault.

That Mac26 is a unique and excellent choice of a boat. For those who
don't want to tolerate the mundane drudgeries of get-nowhere sailing
that boat is the best escape. Plus you can sail it when conditions are
favorable. No one chops firewood, milks the cow, slaughters their own
food anymore so why do people insist on such dangerous, outmoded
methods of transportation?

Their sailboats don't have signal flags, they don't know semaphore or
morse code, their stoves aren't coal fired, no, they have modern solid
state radios, radar, microwaves, led lights, automapping and yet they
insist their "sailing" put them in a different time and somehow makes
them superior. It is all denial and they are fooling themselves. They
are no different than those weekend Harley fruit boys who put on
leather and drive around loudly acting tough. All a phoney image!

It's rather amusing that powerboaters usually get into trouble when
the engine fails and sailboaters get intotrouble when under sail.
Sailboaters account for more offshore rescues than powerboaters.

Good on you Jim! At least you have some sense!


Neptune, King of the Sea with Davey Jones locker full of sailboats!

Take your troll and stuff it! The Mac is a disgrace to sailing and
everyone knows it.

Neptune wrote:
You are absolute right, Jim. With all of the options available on the
Mac26 it would have never been in such a dangerous situation.

Especially with the "leave it on the trailer" option.


..... No one chops firewood, milks the cow, slaughters their own
food anymore so why do people insist on such dangerous, outmoded
methods of transportation?

Neptune, King of the Sea with Davey Jones locker full of sailboats!

Stupid paleface, why brag about having more sailboats than anybody else
just after saying how archaic and impractical they are? Hey Neptune,
you voting for Rumsfeld in '08?

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?


I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do
this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?

I do, but you're right. I bet a lot don't. This is a fairly crowded channel,
and I believe the sailboats that frequent the channel are generally pretty
careful. I know I am.


I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this
http://www.tugboat.org/

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do
this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?

I do, but you're right. I bet a lot don't. This is a fairly crowded channel,
and I believe the sailboats that frequent the channel are generally pretty
careful. I know I am.

Let me see if I'm a gittin this right.

You talked to Traffic control and they did not advise you of the tow
entering the channel?

Did they provide you with any traffic information? I mean thats thier
job, and if they did not you could have the pee-on advising traffic
sent to the Captains mast for proper punishment.

Just wtf did they advise you of ?



I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this

A push boat with old tires...Thats what you call huge? Thats a HOJ
Jon, any two bit 100 tonner could run a **** pile like that.

http://www.tugboat.org/

Well call them pushboats, all inland type work. The pilot/captain is
not "way up there", as you described.

I thought you crossed paths with a real mans barge and tug:
http://www.vesselrepair.com/orion_poseidon.jpg

You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?


Joe





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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Since I didn't see
them previously, must have come out of another side channel. (They do
this a
lot.)


I bet a lot of sailboat jump out without looking and checking with
traffic. Do you check with concerned traffic when you enter the
shipping lanes?

I do, but you're right. I bet a lot don't. This is a fairly crowded
channel,
and I believe the sailboats that frequent the channel are generally
pretty
careful. I know I am.

Let me see if I'm a gittin this right.

You talked to Traffic control and they did not advise you of the tow
entering the channel?

A couple of things... 1) Tug wasn't "entering the channel." The side channel
is about 200 feet deep. It's used for parking barges, tugs, misc.

No one would call Traffic unless there was dense fog. This was a situation
of a tug probably moving from one berth to another rather than engaging in
operations.

Did they provide you with any traffic information? I mean thats thier
job, and if they did not you could have the pee-on advising traffic
sent to the Captains mast for proper punishment.

Just wtf did they advise you of ?



I can't imagine the damage had he
hit us with one of those huge vertical bumpers.


Well.... if he had bumbers you might of bounced off him ;0)


Either that or we would have been caught between them. The distance
between
them is wider than my boat.

Sort of like this, but not quite...
http://www.oceanmarine.com/tug%20images/4739tg1.jpg or this

A push boat with old tires...Thats what you call huge? Thats a HOJ
Jon, any two bit 100 tonner could run a **** pile like that.

Huh? I posted a link to a tug that regularly *pushes*. It didn't have any
tires on it.

http://www.tugboat.org/

Well call them pushboats, all inland type work. The pilot/captain is
not "way up there", as you described.

I thought you crossed paths with a real mans barge and tug:
http://www.vesselrepair.com/orion_poseidon.jpg

You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?

I'm writing what happened. Sorry if that's confusing for you.

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Joe wrote:


You're not embelishing your account of the days journey are you?


Joe


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