Who but the Times...
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
would piously intone platitudes about these low wage jobs "Americans are
unwilling to fill?"
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...215724,00.html

Its editors seem to live on a planet of their own.

They certainly do! The Employment Office up in Greeley seats only about 12
customers so if a few showed up for something other than filing for
unemployment the line would certainly go out the door. That's why no numbers
are mentioned or why people were there. One even admitted he was there for
unemployment and applied for a job at Swift (perhaps as required to keep the
unemployment checks coming in?) Here's a link to the job postings at the
Greeley office:

http://www.eswc.org/lmi/locallmi/OESwage1.htm

There are plenty of unfilled jobs similar to those at Swift. Look at the
photo in the picture - see a big office? Looks like ten feet between the
service counter and the glass windows. The city population is only 88,000.
The Rocky Mountain News has a notorious conservative slant so there's your
bias.

That article was devoid of any numbers, the number of people applying, the
number of jobs open all it said is the line went out the door. I suppose if
someone drove up to the office quickly and a toilet clogged the article
would report people rushing for job applications and the office was flooded.

Who but the Times...
 

Gilligan wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...

would piously intone platitudes about these low wage jobs "Americans are
unwilling to fill?"
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...215724,00.html

Its editors seem to live on a planet of their own.


They certainly do! The Employment Office up in Greeley seats only about 12
customers so if a few showed up for something other than filing for
unemployment the line would certainly go out the door. That's why no numbers
are mentioned or why people were there. One even admitted he was there for
unemployment and applied for a job at Swift (perhaps as required to keep the
unemployment checks coming in?) Here's a link to the job postings at the
Greeley office:

http://www.eswc.org/lmi/locallmi/OESwage1.htm

There are plenty of unfilled jobs similar to those at Swift. Look at the
photo in the picture - see a big office? Looks like ten feet between the
service counter and the glass windows. The city population is only 88,000.
The Rocky Mountain News has a notorious conservative slant so there's your
bias.

That article was devoid of any numbers, the number of people applying, the
number of jobs open all it said is the line went out the door. I suppose if
someone drove up to the office quickly and a toilet clogged the article
would report people rushing for job applications and the office was flooded.



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.

Who but the Times...
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...

would piously intone platitudes about these low wage jobs "Americans are
unwilling to fill?"
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...215724,00.html

Its editors seem to live on a planet of their own.


They certainly do! The Employment Office up in Greeley seats only about
12 customers so if a few showed up for something other than filing for
unemployment the line would certainly go out the door. That's why no
numbers are mentioned or why people were there. One even admitted he was
there for unemployment and applied for a job at Swift (perhaps as
required to keep the unemployment checks coming in?) Here's a link to the
job postings at the Greeley office:

http://www.eswc.org/lmi/locallmi/OESwage1.htm

There are plenty of unfilled jobs similar to those at Swift. Look at the
photo in the picture - see a big office? Looks like ten feet between the
service counter and the glass windows. The city population is only
88,000. The Rocky Mountain News has a notorious conservative slant so
there's your bias.

That article was devoid of any numbers, the number of people applying,
the number of jobs open all it said is the line went out the door. I
suppose if someone drove up to the office quickly and a toilet clogged
the article would report people rushing for job applications and the
office was flooded.



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages like
those.

Katy, there's lines out the door for jobs here. Says so in the papers. Those
teacher's wages aren't bad at all. Starting pay is even less where I'm at
and you have to have a certificate, BS in the field you teach and additional
education in teaching. Wages in general here are about 1/2 - 1/3 of what is
paid in the Bay area. Companies move here to take advantage of cheap labor
and find they can't get anyone so they go back east/west. The wealthy
people here made their money somewhere else.

Who but the Times...
 

Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Gilligan wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
...


would piously intone platitudes about these low wage jobs "Americans are
unwilling to fill?"
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...215724,00.html

Its editors seem to live on a planet of their own.


They certainly do! The Employment Office up in Greeley seats only about
12 customers so if a few showed up for something other than filing for
unemployment the line would certainly go out the door. That's why no
numbers are mentioned or why people were there. One even admitted he was
there for unemployment and applied for a job at Swift (perhaps as
required to keep the unemployment checks coming in?) Here's a link to the
job postings at the Greeley office:

http://www.eswc.org/lmi/locallmi/OESwage1.htm

There are plenty of unfilled jobs similar to those at Swift. Look at the
photo in the picture - see a big office? Looks like ten feet between the
service counter and the glass windows. The city population is only
88,000. The Rocky Mountain News has a notorious conservative slant so
there's your bias.

That article was devoid of any numbers, the number of people applying,
the number of jobs open all it said is the line went out the door. I
suppose if someone drove up to the office quickly and a toilet clogged
the article would report people rushing for job applications and the
office was flooded.



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages like
those.


Katy, there's lines out the door for jobs here. Says so in the papers. Those
teacher's wages aren't bad at all.

Comparitive to N. or S. Carolina or Alabama, maybe...

Starting pay is even less where I'm at
and you have to have a certificate, BS in the field you teach and additional
education in teaching.

Let's hope to GOd for our kids sake that all school districts require
those things!

Wages in general here are about 1/2 - 1/3 of what is
paid in the Bay area. Companies move here to take advantage of cheap labor
and find they can't get anyone so they go back east/west.

Some of them should go back to Michigan...there are plenty of people
there who are willing to work for almost anything at the moment...

The wealthy
people here made their money somewhere else.

Don't they always?

Who but the Times...
 

Dave wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:19:04 -0500, katy said:


Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.


You can't really reach much in the way of conclusions without knowing the
relative cost of living there compared to that where you're located.

I have always heard that Colorado ahs a pretty high cost of living...as
does Virginia....
Using the 42K average that a teacher makes in that CO county, I ran a
comparison on a cost of living calculator (the avg. teacher salary in VA
is 48K):
Product Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA Denver CO Difference
HOME PRICE $286,672.00 $316,594.00 $29,922.00
PAYMENT+ INTEREST $1,308.36 $1,397.82 $89.47
APT RENT $893.00 $737.00 $156.00
TOTAL ENERGY $197.89 $142.46 $55.43
OTHER ENERGY $110.16 $64.51 $45.65
LIPITOR $109.99 $114.00 $4.01
DENTIST VISIT $98.80 $77.33 $21.47
PART ELECTRICAL $87.73 $77.95 $9.78
DOCTOR VISIT $72.60 $94.75 $22.15
OPTOMETRIST $71.60 $73.40 $1.80
VET SERVICES $37.20 $41.42 $4.22
WASHER REPAIR $35.00 $53.48 $18.48
PHONE $32.36 $24.15 $8.21
WOMENS SLACKS $23.24 $24.24 $1.00
BEAUTY SALON $20.80 $27.20 $6.40
MENS SHIRT $20.74 $17.24 $3.50
BOYS JEAN $19.49 $19.39 $0.10
PIZZA $10.99 $9.72 $1.27
NEWSPAPER $10.42 $7.50 $2.92
TIRE BALANCE $10.14 $8.62 $1.52
T BONE STEAK $10.05 $9.59 $0.46
HAIR CUT $8.80 $12.79 $3.99
DRY CLEANING $8.44 $9.62 $1.18
MOVIE $7.90 $8.89 $0.99
BEER $7.77 $7.36 $0.41
IBUPROFEN $5.82 $5.91 $0.09
WINE $5.59 $4.93 $0.66
POTATOES $5.52 $2.72 $2.80
CASCADE $4.32 $3.38 $0.94
BOWLING $4.10 $4.15 $0.05
CRISCO $3.67 $3.45 $0.22
2-PC CHICKEN $3.33 $3.00 $0.33
TENNIS BALLS $3.25 $2.22 $1.03
COFFEE $3.22 $4.10 $0.88
SAUSAGE $3.17 $4.56 $1.39
CEREAL $3.09 $2.32 $0.77
PARMESAN CHEESE $2.99 $4.23 $1.24
FROZEN MEAL $2.85 $3.07 $0.22
GASOLINE $2.79 $2.72 $0.06
HAMBURGER SANDWICH $2.69 $2.77 $0.08
ORANGE JUICE $2.46 $2.31 $0.15
TOOTHPASTE $2.42 $2.27 $0.15
POTATO CHIPS $2.36 $2.03 $0.33
GROUND BEEF $2.34 $2.74 $0.40
HALF GAL MILK $2.19 $2.09 $0.10
PEACHES $1.97 $2.40 $0.43
KLEENEX $1.72 $1.83 $0.11
SUGAR $1.56 $1.86 $0.30
FROZEN CORN $1.52 $1.75 $0.23
LETTUCE $1.44 $1.09 $0.35
DOZ EGGS $1.19 $0.84 $0.35
FRIED CHICKEN $1.09 $1.24 $0.15
SWEET PEAS $0.98 $1.26 $0.28
SHAMPOO $0.94 $1.00 $0.06
MARGARINE $0.74 $1.04 $0.30
TUNA $0.70 $0.81 $0.11
BANANAS $0.37 $0.49 $0.12
Mortgage (%) 6.14% 5.83% 0.31

Who but the Times...
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:19:04 -0500, katy said:


Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.


You can't really reach much in the way of conclusions without knowing the
relative cost of living there compared to that where you're located.


Salary in Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA: $42,000
Comparable salary in Denver CO: $43,531.1

If you move from Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA to Denver CO...
Groceries will cost: 11.682% more
Housing will cost: 10.694% more
Utilities will cost: 20.496% less
Transportation will cost: 4.651% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.637% more



--
jlrogers±³©

Who but the Times...
 

Is Chauncy making more or less than he was in MI. ?
Teachers salaries vary widely right here in the same county,
depends on the school district ( and local taxes). Lisa
took less salary to teach at a better school.

Scotty



"katy" wrote in message
...
TUNA $0.70 $0.81 $0.11
BANANAS $0.37 $0.49 $0.12
Mortgage (%) 6.14% 5.83% 0.31

Who but the Times...
 

jlrogers±³© wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:19:04 -0500, katy said:



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.


You can't really reach much in the way of conclusions without knowing the
relative cost of living there compared to that where you're located.


Salary in Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA: $42,000
Comparable salary in Denver CO: $43,531.1

If you move from Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA to Denver CO...
Groceries will cost: 11.682% more
Housing will cost: 10.694% more
Utilities will cost: 20.496% less
Transportation will cost: 4.651% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.637% more



Exceptthe average teacher wage in zHampton Toads is not 43k but 48k
and some of what you have there does not gybe with the calculator I used...

Who but the Times...
 

Scotty wrote:
Is Chauncy making more or less than he was in MI. ?
Teachers salaries vary widely right here in the same county,
depends on the school district ( and local taxes). Lisa
took less salary to teach at a better school.

Scotty



"katy" wrote in message
...

TUNA $0.70 $0.81 $0.11
BANANAS $0.37 $0.49 $0.12
Mortgage (%) 6.14% 5.83% 0.31



If he had taight in MI he would be making less...MI is one of the
highest salary places for teachers....he was an engineer in
MI...engineers make a lit mire than teachers...especcially when they've
been with a company for 25 years..hence, that's why he's teaching...

Who but the Times...
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
jlrogers±³© wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:19:04 -0500, katy said:



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.


You can't really reach much in the way of conclusions without knowing
the
relative cost of living there compared to that where you're located.


Salary in Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA: $42,000
Comparable salary in Denver CO: $43,531.1

If you move from Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA to Denver CO...
Groceries will cost: 11.682% more
Housing will cost: 10.694% more
Utilities will cost: 20.496% less
Transportation will cost: 4.651% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.637% more



Exceptthe average teacher wage in zHampton Toads is not 43k but 48k
and some of what you have there does not gybe with the calculator I
used...

Same here. In general the cost of living along the 'right coast' exceeds
that of Denver.

Did I miss something, Katy? Are you contemplating a move to the Mile High
City?

Max

Who but the Times...
 

Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

jlrogers±³© wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Dave wrote:


On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:19:04 -0500, katy said:




Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages
like those.


You can't really reach much in the way of conclusions without knowing
the
relative cost of living there compared to that where you're located.

Salary in Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA: $42,000
Comparable salary in Denver CO: $43,531.1

If you move from Hampton Roads-SE Virginia VA to Denver CO...
Groceries will cost: 11.682% more
Housing will cost: 10.694% more
Utilities will cost: 20.496% less
Transportation will cost: 4.651% less
Healthcare will cost: 0.637% more




Exceptthe average teacher wage in zHampton Toads is not 43k but 48k
and some of what you have there does not gybe with the calculator I
used...


Same here. In general the cost of living along the 'right coast' exceeds
that of Denver.

Did I miss something, Katy? Are you contemplating a move to the Mile High
City?

Max


No...we were discussing unemployment in CO ....the average teacher wage
there is 42K and they're wondering why they have so many openings...

Who but the Times...
 

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:58:48 -0500, katy
wrote:

Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Gilligan wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
m...


would piously intone platitudes about these low wage jobs "Americans are
unwilling to fill?"
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...215724,00.html

Its editors seem to live on a planet of their own.


They certainly do! The Employment Office up in Greeley seats only about
12 customers so if a few showed up for something other than filing for
unemployment the line would certainly go out the door. That's why no
numbers are mentioned or why people were there. One even admitted he was
there for unemployment and applied for a job at Swift (perhaps as
required to keep the unemployment checks coming in?) Here's a link to the
job postings at the Greeley office:

http://www.eswc.org/lmi/locallmi/OESwage1.htm

There are plenty of unfilled jobs similar to those at Swift. Look at the
photo in the picture - see a big office? Looks like ten feet between the
service counter and the glass windows. The city population is only
88,000. The Rocky Mountain News has a notorious conservative slant so
there's your bias.

That article was devoid of any numbers, the number of people applying,
the number of jobs open all it said is the line went out the door. I
suppose if someone drove up to the office quickly and a toilet clogged
the article would report people rushing for job applications and the
office was flooded.



Your county certainly isn't doing much to attract teachers with wages like
those.


Katy, there's lines out the door for jobs here. Says so in the papers. Those
teacher's wages aren't bad at all.

Comparitive to N. or S. Carolina or Alabama, maybe...

Starting pay is even less where I'm at
and you have to have a certificate, BS in the field you teach and additional
education in teaching.


Let's hope to GOd for our kids sake that all school districts require
those things!


Not always a good thing if the certificate is the most important
element. In this state you have to be certified, but, you can range
from what you are qualified to teach as long as you are certified.
And uncertified experts in certain fields cannot teach because they
are not certified.

I've seen too many "certified" teachers taking a quick summer crash
course to teach something they should have a specific degree in. And
too many people with those degrees who can't teach because they are
not certified.

Certified does not always mean qualified.

The private schools don't require the certification and they snap up
the uncertified but highly qualified who have a desire to teach.

Frank

Who but the Times...
 

"katy" wrote in message
...

No...we were discussing unemployment in CO ....the average teacher wage
there is 42K and they're wondering why they have so many openings...

When we lived in Denver Janie was unable to find a teaching job (she was a
women's physical education teacher), but I suppose things have changed quite
a bit since then.

Max

Who but the Times...
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:10:11 -0500, katy said:

I have always heard that Colorado ahs a pretty high cost of living...as
does Virginia....

Compared to Manhattan the numbers you quote for both places are rock
bottom.

Compared with Manhattan, the real estate values of just about everywhere
else but San Francisco and a few other major cities is rock bottom as well.
The point: cost of living in Manhattan more than offsets the elevated
wages.

Max

Who but the Times...
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:10:11 -0500, katy
said:

I have always heard that Colorado ahs a pretty high cost
of living...as
does Virginia....

Compared to Manhattan the numbers you quote for both
places are rock bottom.


Who the hell wants to live in that **** hole?


BTW, that's where I'm headed to today.

Scotty