"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


"Joe" wrote
Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title.


Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say
about it?
Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time
there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go
around hitting things. Duh!


Cheers,
Ellen



I can't speak for Jeff, missy, but unlike you, I don't make judgements
based on scanty information.....EG....probably why you have so much
trouble understanding and applying the "Rules".

otn

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006
Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge
this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today
at about 5a.m.

Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off
the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel
collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City.
Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the
water.

The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing
vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at
about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a
stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector
Jacksonville.

The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard
Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection
officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed
Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety.


*******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the
Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat.
Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the
motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other
way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes.
That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will
make you look guilty even when your innocent.

Cheers,
Ellen

I did notice it was biased towards faulting the victim. They handcuff
the poor fellow after the towboat sinks his home.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
I did notice it was biased towards faulting the victim. They handcuff
the poor fellow after the towboat sinks his home.


I would've scratched their freaking eyes out....

Cheers,
Ellen

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


*******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated
the
Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat.
Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of
the
motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was
the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing
RAM lights/shapes.
That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters
will
make you look guilty even when your innocent.

Cheers,
Ellen



BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why?

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote
BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why?

If he was RAM and showing shapes/lights then it was the sailboat's fault for not giving way.
If he wasn't RAM it was his fault for not giving way. Sailboats have to keep clear of RAMs
but RAMs have to identify themselves so people know what they are. Towboats are motorboats
unless they're RAM so they have to keep clear of sailboats.
They said it happened off the coast near St. Augustine, FL. That means open water so they
can't claim narrow channels and all that shall not impede stuff. If it was in a channel they'd
have said it happened in the channel not off the coast. Duh.
If you ever sailed a little sailboat you'd know we spend most of our time looking for and
worrying about motorboats hitting us. Sailboats just don't go around hitting things. For one thing
it's hard to hit things. We go so slow. Even if you try to hit a motorboat it's not that easy to do.....
Be honest now. Don't you think the reporting made it sound like the sailboat was in the wrong?
How's about some fair and balanced once in a while. A man gets run down by a tow boat barge and
then gets treated like a criminal. He lost his boat and coulda lost his life. Where's the justice?

Cheers,
Ellen

On the issue of reporting..... we all know that the accuracy of most news
reports is highly suspect and generally based on how the reporter perceives
or wishes an item to be perceived, so, hence why it's always best to wait
before commenting....

As for sailboats hitting stuff.....bull.... many sailboats are capable of
speeds and maneuvers, above what some slug powerboats ever thought of.
Personally, I go around worrying what any "vessel" is apt to be doing and
whether it may hit me.

Concerning the guy being handcuffed..... considering the post 9/11 security
crap now in place on commercial vessels and frame of mind of those in
"homeland security" regarding anything out of the ordinary....those actions
don't surprise me at all.

otn




"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


"otnmbrd" wrote
BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why?

If he was RAM and showing shapes/lights then it was the sailboat's
fault for not giving way.
If he wasn't RAM it was his fault for not giving way. Sailboats have
to keep clear of RAMs but RAMs have to identify themselves so people
know what they are. Towboats are motorboats unless they're RAM so they
have to keep clear of sailboats.
They said it happened off the coast near St. Augustine, FL. That
means open water so they
can't claim narrow channels and all that shall not impede stuff. If it
was in a channel they'd have said it happened in the channel not off
the coast. Duh.
If you ever sailed a little sailboat you'd know we spend most of
our time looking for and
worrying about motorboats hitting us. Sailboats just don't go around
hitting things. For one thing it's hard to hit things. We go so slow.
Even if you try to hit a motorboat it's not that easy to do.....
Be honest now. Don't you think the reporting made it sound like
the sailboat was in the wrong?
How's about some fair and balanced once in a while. A man gets run
down by a tow boat barge and then gets treated like a criminal. He
lost his boat and coulda lost his life. Where's the justice?

Cheers,
Ellen

"Joe" wrote:
U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006
Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man
found on a barge
this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and
barge today
at about 5a.m.

Was _he_ nekkid too?

Seahag

"Joe" wrote
U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006
Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge
this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today
at about 5a.m.


I found pictures and a video he https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/138475/
No RAM dayshapes on the towboat just like I thought. Not in channel just like I thought.
Towboat at fault just like I thought....

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006
Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge
this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today
at about 5a.m.


I found pictures and a video he https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/138475/
No RAM dayshapes on the towboat just like I thought. Not in channel just like I thought.
Towboat at fault just like I thought....

Cheers,
Ellen

So Ellen who's to blame if the sailor T-boned the tow line behind the
tug if the tug had proper running lights?

Joe

"Joe" wrote
So Ellen who's to blame if the sailor T-boned the tow line behind the
tug if the tug had proper running lights?


If the tugboat and barge had proper lights it's still their fault. Colregs require them to give
way to the sailboat. But the sailboat needs to have proper lights too so it can be seen. Who knows
if it did. Some sailboats turn off their lights offshore.
The sailboat is entitled by the rules to be the stand-on vessel.
But, if the sailboat hit the hawser cable he shouldn't have because the rules say he should
avoid a collision if the give way towboat/barge wasn't giving way.
When they go to court and court assigns percentage of blame, the towboat/barge gets 90%
blame and the sailboat gets 10% blame. The sailboat would get all the blame if the towboat/barge
was RAM but you can see in the picture it wasn't.

Cheers,
Ellen