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Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.

Are you finished yet Doug?

Joe

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Joe wrote:

Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.

Are you finished yet Doug?


No. Don't be impatient. Did you used to bug your mother to
lick the spoon when she was making a cake? Well trust me,
you don't want to do that with epoxy!

I just sent some pics to Bart, maybe he can post them. Right
now I have it wrapped up in plastic & clamps waiting for
some new laminations to set up. Tomorrow I will try to get
some pics.

BTW just before taking the pics I sent to Bart, a neighbor &
I tested the strength of the newly installed center thwart.
2 men jumping up and down on it, no cracking or crunching
and very very little flex.

Could you do that in steel, and keep the weight down enough
to carry with one hand?

Fresh Breezes (or fresh epoxy)- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.


Could you do that in steel, and keep the weight down enough
to carry with one hand?


Yes with ease.

Joe
]


Fresh Breezes (or fresh epoxy)- Doug King

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Could you do that in steel, and keep the weight down enough
to carry with one hand?


Joe wrote:
Yes with ease.


Prove it

DSK

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Joe wrote:

Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.

Are you finished yet Doug?


Pic from this morning
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/261...35692614eOakGw

Here is the most recent pic
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/266...35692614wfZuXl

The stern sheets (seat) is not finished & installed
structurally. The center thwart is not totally finished yet
but does have the knees tabbed in (last night's epoxy job).
The gunwhales are not finished yet and are tremendously
strong, you can lift the boat from any point (and drop it
too, ask me how I know) along the gun'l and there is zero flex.

The bow seat is just now having the foam core cut to fit.

The surfaces look rougher than they are because of the
different shades of filler/mix used in the epoxy. It is all
finished to a satin feel from the peel ply. I will have to
do some sanding & fairing though.

The whole boat is TREMENDOUSLY strong. If I were to do it
all over again, I would use lighter cloth & save a lot of
weight. I wish I had a video of the neighbor & I jumping up
& down on the thwart... think how many boats you have to
step gingerly when it's on the trailer (or any time). I
don't think it would be possible to build anything remotely
comparable in steel or aluminum. This shape could be
approximated with a tortured-ply but it would weigh a lot
more (wood is 35# /c-ft, the foam core is 6) and be less
strong and far less rigid. With conventional fiberglass it
would weigh what the conventional dinks weigh (100# and up).

DSK

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DSK wrote:
Could you do that in steel, and keep the weight down enough
to carry with one hand?


Joe wrote:
Yes with ease.


Prove it

DSK

Here is a stamped steel boat I could carry with one finger Bucko.

http://img.alibaba.com/img/product/p...1651610340.jpg

Joe

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Joe wrote:
Here is a stamped steel boat I could carry with one finger Bucko.

http://img.alibaba.com/img/product/p...1651610340.jpg


I'm having trouble picturing what would happen if 2 people
jumped up & down on it, to test the structural properties.

DSK

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I can send them to a phone. I don't have email service to get
them out of my phone onto a computer.

"DSK" wrote
Joe wrote:

Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.

Are you finished yet Doug?

I just sent some pics to Bart, maybe he can post them. Right now I have it
wrapped up in plastic & clamps waiting for some new laminations to set up.
Tomorrow I will try to get some pics.

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Bart wrote:
I can send them to a phone. I don't have email service to get
them out of my phone onto a computer.


I don't either, got a new 'replacement' phone and while this
one actually takes OK pictures (well, they look pretty good
on that tiny screen) I don't know what else to do with them.

DSK

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You can't mail them to an email address? Works for me.

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www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bart wrote:
I can send them to a phone. I don't have email service to get
them out of my phone onto a computer.


I don't either, got a new 'replacement' phone and while this one actually
takes OK pictures (well, they look pretty good on that tiny screen) I
don't know what else to do with them.

DSK

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Very cool Doug. What's the bottom line ($$$) on this if you don't mind me
asking?
MMC
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:

Hoping to get a glance at a finished picture.

Are you finished yet Doug?


Pic from this morning
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/261...35692614eOakGw

Here is the most recent pic
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/266...35692614wfZuXl

The stern sheets (seat) is not finished & installed structurally. The
center thwart is not totally finished yet but does have the knees tabbed
in (last night's epoxy job). The gunwhales are not finished yet and are
tremendously strong, you can lift the boat from any point (and drop it
too, ask me how I know) along the gun'l and there is zero flex.

The bow seat is just now having the foam core cut to fit.

The surfaces look rougher than they are because of the different shades of
filler/mix used in the epoxy. It is all finished to a satin feel from the
peel ply. I will have to do some sanding & fairing though.

The whole boat is TREMENDOUSLY strong. If I were to do it all over again,
I would use lighter cloth & save a lot of weight. I wish I had a video of
the neighbor & I jumping up & down on the thwart... think how many boats
you have to step gingerly when it's on the trailer (or any time). I don't
think it would be possible to build anything remotely comparable in steel
or aluminum. This shape could be approximated with a tortured-ply but it
would weigh a lot more (wood is 35# /c-ft, the foam core is 6) and be less
strong and far less rigid. With conventional fiberglass it would weigh
what the conventional dinks weigh (100# and up).

DSK

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MMC wrote:
Very cool Doug.

Thanks. Can't wait to try it out!


What's the bottom line ($$$) on this if you don't mind me
asking?


Hmm. Obviously it's not cheap, would rather not talk about
it. Let's say, the materials to build it cost somewhat less
than one of these

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1370362

Question is, which is one is worth more coolness points?


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
MMC wrote:

Very cool Doug.


Thanks. Can't wait to try it out!


What's the bottom line ($$$) on this if you don't mind me asking?


Hmm. Obviously it's not cheap, would rather not talk about it. Let's
say, the materials to build it cost somewhat less than one of these

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1370362


Question is, which is one is worth more coolness points?


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

HA! You didn't include labor! How many hours you have into it? At
what hourly rate? Bit personal satisfaction does exonerate some of
that. (IOWm does K. know how much you spent?_

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Question is, which is one is worth more coolness points?


katysails wrote:
HA! You didn't include labor! How many hours you have into it?

Well, not quite enough to grow a long gray beard....
I've been working on it, off & on, for two years. The first
year was all design work and talking (emailing) back & forth
with some naval architects... which was actually kind of
fun. Should I count that as "labor"? Then there was building
two models.

The real "work" started with lofting, which I should have
spent more time on. The building the mold stations & jig,
which was kind of fun. That was back in April or so. It took
until mid-summer before it was recognizable as a boat. And
now look!



At
what hourly rate? Bit personal satisfaction does exonerate some of
that. (IOWm does K. know how much you spent?_

Oh yes. She's the one egging me on, saying "Go ahead and
order all that stuff... get extra epoxy, we have some more
projects to use it on."

DSK

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More new pics

The fairing layer, partly sanded off.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/275...35692614NTiuGw

Last few dabs of fairing, first few dabs of paint
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/245...35692614VHryVr

If the weather stays nice (clear, highs around 70) I will be
able to finish sanding the hull and get a full coat of paint
laid on this afternoon. The interior needs a little bit more
sanding but is 99.9% ready to be painted also.

I am hoping that some time next week, I will be able to
report how the thing works!

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"DSK" wrote | The fairing layer, partly sanded off.
| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/275...35692614NTiuGw
|
| Last few dabs of fairing, first few dabs of paint
| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/245...35692614VHryVr
|


It looks like a Dyer. Do you have the mast, rudder and sail? Those Dyer's sail
pretty good. They tend to be flexi if the gunnels aren't new and stiff. It helps to
have the original floor boards because that stiffens the bottom which can be
flexi too.

Cheers,
Ellen

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| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/275...35692614NTiuGw
|
| Last few dabs of fairing, first few dabs of paint
| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/245...35692614VHryVr
|


Ellen MacArthur wrote:
It looks like a Dyer.

Only if you have extremely poor eyesight.

DSK

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DSK wrote:
More new pics

The fairing layer, partly sanded off.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/275...35692614NTiuGw

Last few dabs of fairing, first few dabs of paint
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/245...35692614VHryVr

If the weather stays nice (clear, highs around 70) I will be able to
finish sanding the hull and get a full coat of paint laid on this
afternoon. The interior needs a little bit more sanding but is 99.9%
ready to be painted also.

I am hoping that some time next week, I will be able to report how the
thing works!


Yippeee!! A new toy to try out! Looks good, Doug.

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DSK wrote:

More new pics

The fairing layer, partly sanded off.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/275...35692614NTiuGw

Last few dabs of fairing, first few dabs of paint
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/245...35692614VHryVr

If the weather stays nice (clear, highs around 70) I will be
able to finish sanding the hull and get a full coat of paint
laid on this afternoon. The interior needs a little bit more
sanding but is 99.9% ready to be painted also.

I am hoping that some time next week, I will be able to
report how the thing works!

Looking good Doug, how many horses do you suppose you could hang on the
transom, I want to go water-skiing!

Cheers
Marty

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katysails wrote:
Yippeee!! A new toy to try out! Looks good, Doug.

Thanks. You're signing on for the trial voyage, right? I
already have the oars.

If I had more time, I'd complete a sailing rig for it, but
I'm losing my work shop next week.

DSK

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DSK wrote:
katysails wrote:

Yippeee!! A new toy to try out! Looks good, Doug.


Thanks. You're signing on for the trial voyage, right? I already have
the oars.

If I had more time, I'd complete a sailing rig for it, but I'm losing my
work shop next week.

DSK

You betcha....I'm game...

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Martin Baxter wrote:
Looking good Doug,

Thank you!

... how many horses do you suppose you could hang on the
transom, I want to go water-skiing!


Hmm, the bouyancy calculation went up to 650 lbs... that
means it should easily hold one of JimC's 70hp outboards...

DSK

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"DSK" wrote
| Only if you have extremely poor eyesight.

My eyes are probably better than yours.
Those two pictures aren't the best to tell much of anything. Maybe basic shape.
It's all splotchy and dull. It's shaped like a Dyer but maybe no chine there. But it's
hard to see if there's a chine because the pictures are dull or the hull is dull and
splotchy. So gimme a break, please....

Cheers,
Ellen

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"katy" wrote
| You betcha....I'm game...


Skunk or Otter?

Cheers,
Ellen

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Without the Mac I suppose... in that case it isn't a sailboat.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Martin Baxter wrote:
Looking good Doug,

Thank you!

... how many horses do you suppose you could hang on the
transom, I want to go water-skiing!


Hmm, the bouyancy calculation went up to 650 lbs... that means it should
easily hold one of JimC's 70hp outboards...

DSK

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| Only if you have extremely poor eyesight.

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
My eyes are probably better than yours.

Maybe, maybe not. Let me know what your eyeglass
prescription is when you get to be my age.


Those two pictures aren't the best to tell much of anything.

They do if you know what to look for.

... Maybe basic shape.

Which is one of the most important things about a boat, no?

It's all splotchy and dull.

Correct. But then, it's not finished yet. Besides, that's
only on the surface. Superficial, you know?

It's shaped like a Dyer but maybe no chine there.

Good! My boat does not have a chine. This is an important
observation.

... But it's
hard to see if there's a chine because the pictures are dull or the hull is dull and
splotchy. So gimme a break, please....


Give you break? You make remarks without observing first,
and then demand respect for your uninformed opinions? I *am*
giving you a break, I am helping you learn better.

DSK

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DSK wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:
? Looking good Doug,

Thank you!

? ... how many horses do you suppose you could hang on the
? transom, I want to go water-skiing!
?

Hmm, the bouyancy calculation went up to 650 lbs... that
means it should easily hold one of JimC's 70hp outboards...

That ought to do it, probably sail better with a bedsheet, broomstick
and canoe paddles for leeboards than Jim's too!

Cheers
Marty

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Hmm, the bouyancy calculation went up to 650 lbs... that
means it should easily hold one of JimC's 70hp outboards...


Martin Baxter wrote:
That ought to do it, probably sail better with a bedsheet, broomstick
and canoe paddles for leeboards than Jim's too!


Of course, but I wasn't going to gloat.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote
| Give you break? You make remarks without observing first,
| and then demand respect for your uninformed opinions? I *am*
| giving you a break, I am helping you learn better.


Your being snotty! :-o~

Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
Your being snotty! :-o~


Not at all. I am holding you to a somewhat higher standard.
Builds character.

DSK

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DSK wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

Your being snotty! :-o~


Not at all. I am holding you to a somewhat higher standard. Builds
character.

DSK

Like anything else geing built, character needs a foundation...solid and
impervious, to start with. I think you may need to shore this one up....

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"katy" wrote
| Like anything else geing built, character needs a foundation...solid and
| impervious, to start with. I think you may need to shore this one up....

Hateful old biddy, aren't you...... Ever try Pilates or Yoga? Or rough sex with a young hunk?
You should try them sometime. :-) Do ya good.

Cheers,
Ellen