Congratulations
 

Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).

Congratulations
 

No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

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Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).

Congratulations
 

In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Congratulations
 

One can only hope. While I've certainly been party to strenuous admonitions
about how terrible things have been under Bush (and they have been terrible
IMHO), the bigger picture demands a more measured approach about how we
govern ourselves. The founders had amazing foresight, and this election
proves it.

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"jps" wrote in message
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In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Congratulations
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be
vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.

Congratulations
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to
be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch

Congratulations
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be
vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.

I agree, the country needs improvements. The number one improvement
will be snatching the reins of the republicans responsible for the mess
we're in.

Congratulations
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security.
Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was
never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not
try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch


But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it
was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind
when the working age person left life behind.

Congratulations
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
.net...


Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security.
Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was
never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not
try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch


But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it
was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind
when the working age person left life behind.

As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why
cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont
either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for
retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you
didnt do it, dont whine.

Congratulations
 

Frogwatch wrote:


As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why
cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont
either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for
retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you
didnt do it, dont whine.

As a small businessman you are no doubt painfully aware of the 15.2%
levied as self employment tax. That's in addition to whatever other
income tax that you're responsible for.

Why is there a special tax on labor, when money that comes your way
through dividents, rents, royalties, & inheritance isn't? The
ostensible reason is that the payroll tax is partially a pension system,
and you'll eventually be paid back by the system. Social Security
reform as proposed by the Republicans is basically a plan to not pay you
back, in effect stealing your pension, and the pensions of every working
person in America.

And the reason to loot the pension system? Well, the same reason any
pension system is looted - greed.

///Walt

Congratulations
 

Congratulations
 

Jon,

Congratulation; by all means are in order. Congratulations for the
American people.
WE THE PEOPLE have given our government a huge start for improvement!
------------------------------------------------------
In London's Guardian newspaper, commentator Martin Kettle wrote: "The
cheering can be heard not just in America itself but around the planet."
------------------------------------------------------
Not just in Foreign policy but hopefully in HONESTY.

It is a great example of what a democratic-republic has the ability to
do. It isn't a cure as yet but WHAT A BEGINNING!


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

Congratulations
 

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).


Hey DB! Please don't cross post OT nonsense here. We have enough
bozo's here to listen to, we don't need those from another group!

OK, I agree with Jeff, politics is not appropriate here. If Harry
Krause will suggest an appropriate venue I'll respond.

Congratulations
 

Congratulations
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some
thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate
goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative
is gridlock.

Three observations:

1) The two-party system still works. When the electorate becomes
dissatisfied with the current party in power, it replaces it with the other
one.

2) Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bush administration lost its
ideological way somewhere along the line. Hopefully congressional oversight
will mean a close examination of issues and dollars, rather than personal
attacks.

3) Sadly the outcome of what could be a productive and constructive
election will likely be bitter party division and bickering. In other
words, nothing new.

Max

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I agree. I hope #3 is wrong.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some
thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate
goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative
is gridlock.

Three observations:

1) The two-party system still works. When the electorate becomes
dissatisfied with the current party in power, it replaces it with the
other one.

2) Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bush administration lost its
ideological way somewhere along the line. Hopefully congressional
oversight will mean a close examination of issues and dollars, rather than
personal attacks.

3) Sadly the outcome of what could be a productive and constructive
election will likely be bitter party division and bickering. In other
words, nothing new.

Max

Congratulations
 

wrote in message
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On 8 Nov 2006 12:32:56 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:

As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why
cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont
either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for
retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you
didnt do it, dont whine.

The problem with that thinking is there are a lot of people who
thought they did have a vested pension and worked building it for
decades, until their company went belly up. There are loopholes in
ERISA that allow the benefits to be slashed and PBGC will not make up
the difference.

And for years you could put lots of money in to a SEP IRA plan in excess of
a person contributing to standard IRA. If you were covered under a pension,
you were really limited in tax deferred investing.

Congratulations
 

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
Jeff wrote:
wrote:

Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).

Hey DB! Please don't cross post OT nonsense here. We have enough
bozo's here to listen to, we don't need those from another group!

OK, I agree with Jeff, politics is not appropriate here. If Harry
Krause will suggest an appropriate venue I'll respond.

Actually, I don't mind a little political stuff, given the season. But
there's no need to bring in "outsiders" from the bar down the street.

Agreed. I'm not sure if artyguy (aka TheOne aka
ShhhImListeningtoReason...) followed me over from the audio newsgroups
or found this group on his own, but this is a sailor's bar, and if he's
not a sailor he should bug out. I can hold my own without him.

OTOH, since this is a sailor's bar, I have no problem with sailors
mouthing off about whatever's on their mind. If they're spouting
nonesense I might try to set them straight, or ignore them if I think
they're hopeless. Likewise, anybody is free to agree with me, disagree
with me, or ignore me.

I do draw the line at thread hijacking - if there's a sailing related
conversation going on it's rude to inject irrelevant things, especially
flamebait. Unless they're funny, of course.

BTW, I'm sure I'm not the first person to make the "neighborhood bar"
analogy, but I see nothing has really changed in the last 6 years:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sailing.asa/msg/445148622cbd5658?hl=xx-bork


//Walt

P.S. Thanks for the congratulations, dbhora. I was trying to figure out
how to accept it graciously without gloating, and just couldn't manage
it. Anyway, thanks. Now there's serious work to do.

Congratulations
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some
thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate
goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only
alternative is gridlock.

Three observations:

1) The two-party system still works. When the electorate becomes
dissatisfied with the current party in power, it replaces it with the
other one.

2) Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bush administration lost its
ideological way somewhere along the line. Hopefully congressional
oversight will mean a close examination of issues and dollars, rather
than personal attacks.

3) Sadly the outcome of what could be a productive and constructive
election will likely be bitter party division and bickering. In other
words, nothing new.

I agree. I hope #3 is wrong.

Dreamer.

Max