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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC is full of it. He says MacGregor 26s are not flimsy. He's wrong. Here's proof:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...en&btnG=Search I searched *MacGregor 26 broken* and got 295,000 returns. JimC says there are 30,000 MacGregor 26s sold. That means each one broke about ten times. Duh! If that ain't flimsy nothing is..... Cheers, Ellen |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Ellen MacArthur wrote: JimC is full of it. He says MacGregor 26s are not flimsy. He's wrong. Here's proof: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...en&btnG=Search I searched *MacGregor 26 broken* and got 295,000 returns. JimC says there are 30,000 MacGregor 26s sold. That means each one broke about ten times. Duh! If that ain't flimsy nothing is..... Cheers, Ellen Your reasoning is as bad as your fake persona. |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Ellen MacArthur wrote: JimC is full of it. He says MacGregor 26s are not flimsy. He's wrong. Here's proof: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...en&btnG=Search I searched *MacGregor 26 broken* and got 295,000 returns. JimC says there are 30,000 MacGregor 26s sold. That means each one broke about ten times. Duh! If that ain't flimsy nothing is..... Cheers, Ellen Cheers to you too Ellen. That's quite a Google search. Results include description of the MadGregor dorm at MIT, reference to the Houston MacGregor Medical Association (they are concerned that their urine samples may have been contaminated), reviews of a book entitled "The Broken Cord" (from the word "broken" in your search request), and some references to MacGregor boats such as the second one down in which the owner of a Mac 26 states that in four years of sailing his Mac, "nothing has broken and maintenance has been nil" (I guess your search for the word "broken" includes both boats that were broken and those that weren't. In any event, this is just more propaganda of the kind that Mac-Bashers typically come up with when they don't know what they are talking about, have no evidence (and are too lazy to do their homework and come up with any), and have never even sailed a current model Mac. - Really, Ellen, this is simply ridiculous. If you had any self-respect and concern for getting the facts, you would be ashamed of posting crap like this in the first place. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every year, Houston's MacGregor Medical Association (MMA) provides health care to some 3,000 pregnant women who dutifully leave urine samples in plastic cups and proffer their arms for blood tests at each checkup. When one patient's urine test result showed evidence of small amounts of protein in early 1996, her doctor wasn't overly concerned; such samples are frequently contaminated Originally Posted by mackid068 What is the Mac26 like to sail (ie how does it sail)? Anyone like it? Sails like many other light weight boats with high freeboard. Similar to Hunters and others. Very decent reaching, so so up wind. I have sailed on one (26X) and we averaged 5.5 kts (GPS record) after sailing all day around Narragansett bay, RI. We passed a few boats going down wind (doing 7.5 kts for a while) and a few boats passed us going up wind. The boat was rigged with main and 150% genoa. The big outboard made threading through a narrow marina and docking incredibly easy. Turns and stops on a dime. The magazine reviews I have seen are all positive. Wife liked it very much. The owner of the boat I sailed bought it new. In 4 years of sailing (about 40 outings / year) nothing has broken and maintenance costs have been nil. He dry sails it and spends 40$/year for the ramp permit and uses about 12gal of gas a year. I may buy one. Reply With Quote "The Broken Cord" is the heart-wrenching story of a young man, single and in graduate school, who adopts a developmentally disabled boy who, like himself, has Native American ancestry. The man learns gradually that his son suffers from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, just as the medical community is starting to figure out what Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is. As a child psychologist, I have found the information in this book invaluable. You can read research papers, journal articles, and textbooks to learn all of the facts of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (a complex set of deficits caused by in utero exposure to alcohol), but "The Broken Cord" goes well beyond that and lets you know what it's like to live with, raise, and love a child with this disorder. This book is full of love, pain, and limited triumphs. It is also very well-written. Have a box of tissues handy. |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote in message ... | Cheers to you too Ellen. | | That's quite a Google search. JimmyC sure luvs his Macgregor. Now I know why. Here's a picture I found of him. He's doing what he always does just before he posts lies about his boat. http://www.infoimagination.org/ps/dr...ck_smoker.jpeg Cheers, Ellen |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC wrote:
Cheers to you too Ellen. That's quite a Google search. Results include description of the MadGregor dorm at MIT, reference to the Houston MacGregor Medical Association (they are concerned that their urine samples may have been contaminated), reviews of a book entitled "The Broken Cord" (from the word "broken" in your search request), and some references to MacGregor boats such as the second one down in which the owner of a Mac 26 states that in four years of sailing his Mac, "nothing has broken and maintenance has been nil" (I guess your search for the word "broken" includes both boats that were broken and those that weren't. In any event, this is just more propaganda of the kind that Mac-Bashers typically come up with when they don't know what they are talking about, have no evidence (and are too lazy to do their homework and come up with any), and have never even sailed a current model Mac. - Really, Ellen, this is simply ridiculous. If you had any self-respect and concern for getting the facts, you would be ashamed of posting crap like this in the first place. Kinda puts his/her/its other posts in perspective, eh? No evidence, no reasoning, just sophistry and bluster. //Walt |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Funny, I've been looking at the MacGregor for a while now as a potential
purchase. I would really like a sail boat but the family wants a power boat. I occasionally sail on a friends 1929(?) wood hull sailboat and that is the life for me. My family likes our other friends 21 ft Chris-Craft. It seems to me that sailors don't like it because it's not a "real" sailboat. Powerboaters don't like it because it isn't a "real" power boat and then there are those with them who more or less seem to like them. I have heard some say it bobs like a cork under sail and that the hull is weak. Certainly there are compromises made just like an enduro will never be a great dirt bike or a great road bike but, it has it's place. The question is, how is the MacGregor? I'd like to do coastal sailing in Southern California. I probably would never venture farther than Catalina or the channel islands. I'd also like to sail some of the lakes like havasu, Powell, etc. so the trailerability of the MacGregor is appealing. Family of 4 up to 1 week trips once or twice a year. I wouldn't consider myself the fair weather type; as skills progress I'd sail year around in as much weather as the ship and her captain are capable of. Opinions? Carl |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
I may have missed a couple over time but that seems to me the first sensible
post I have read about the Mac 26. So what if it is poor to windward? People with families avoid going to windward by starting the engine because the alternative is a lot of grief from ****edoff family members. And because you can lighten it for trailering by dumping water you are likely to see more sailing grounds than most people with 'deepwater' boats. I had a S&S 34' which in a decent wind could leave most boats of that size for dead going to windward. With double reefed main and no 2 genoa and 30 knots of apparent wind across the deck I had a wonderful beat of 20 miles to windward on the French Biscay coast. but when we anchored my crew said 'what an awful experience that was'. But she still sails with me and now we have a 38' boat of the same type but I am playing it more carefully and using the engine more as it is not much fun single handing! So I am not going to knock anyone who opts for a Mac as long as they do not claim it can do things it is not designed for. wrote in message ups.com... DSK wrote: lid wrote: Funny, I've been looking at the MacGregor for a while now as a potential purchase. Does that mean that you've really bought one already and are looking for validation? It seems to me that sailors don't like it because it's not a "real" sailboat. I dunno about other sailors, I don't like them because IMHO they are ugly (a matter of personal taste) and because they have very poor performance under sail... a matter of well documented fact, regardless of what the MacGregor advertising says (they wouldn't LIE would they?!?). The older Mac26 model (made in the 1980s and early 1990s) will sail rings around them, as will many other trailerables. .... I have heard some say it bobs like a cork under sail and that the hull is weak. Supposedly the newer Mac 26-M is stronger built than the old ones, but that would also make it heavier. A problem for them under sail is that they are difficult to steer, and they react badly to any wave action.... "bobs like a cork" is a fair description but doesn't convey all the implications.... wet, noisy, heavy yawing, slowed dramatically by waves. In my experience, they will only make ground to windward under a certain range of conditions, if the wind is too light they can't point and if the wind is too strong, they have too much windage and get shoved backwards by waves. ..... I probably would never venture farther than Catalina or the channel islands. I'd also like to sail some of the lakes like havasu, Powell, etc. so the trailerability of the MacGregor is appealing. THere are a LOT of other trailerable boats out there. One issue is that powerboats with any accomodation are heavy. You will need a large tow vehicle to pull a powerboat with accomodations anywhere approaching the Mac-26. But trailer cruising is very rewarding and you can explore a lot of places. Shallow draft is one of the benefits that goes along with trailerability, often not appreciated until you "move up" to a big keel boat and realize how many places you can't go in it. Family of 4 up to 1 week trips once or twice a year. I wouldn't consider myself the fair weather type; as skills progress I'd sail year around in as much weather as the ship and her captain are capable of. The ship is always more capable than the captain (and/or crew). Opinions? Get either a motorboat or a sailboat, trailerable is a very good call, and get out there on the water. The Mac-26 is neither, it's really a floatable camper trailer, with a very vocal cult following. If you want to join the cult (or have already joined), that's fine too. We will probably see at least a few angry replies to this post as an example. Fresh Breezes- Doug King I think the MAc26 is done reasonably well for such a compromise. Like any compromise, it doesnt favor either motor or sail very well but people buy it knowing it is a compromise. Consider "motor sailers", they sure do not sail well but few people criticize them. Consider the Morgan OI series, not only do they look like hell but sail poorly too but people buy them for their roominess. Buying the Mac26 for its compromise is a legit decision. I'd be willing to bet that mac26 owners boat in more places than 99% of other sail boats. As far as safety is concerned, I'd say that its ability to get out of the way of bad weather with speed and its ability to anchor in very shallow protected places actually make it safer than a deep keel conventional sailboat. Many of us with "real" sailboats also own "real" powerboats and know the pains of owning two boats. Owning just one would be nice. This argument about the Mac26 reminds me of an argument over whether a friend should buy a pontoon boat for his family. Many people toild him "No" cuz a pontoon boat was not a "real" powerboat and it wasn't seaworthy. He bought the pontoon boat and does more boating with it than the rest of us but he restricts himself to appropriate places and weather. I say, "Buy the Mac26 and enjoy it.You'll do more sailing in unusual places than those of us with heavier non-trailerable sailboats. You will keep peace in your family which is a serious consideration". |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
wrote in message ... Funny, I've been looking at the MacGregor Yeah, they are kinda funny looking. for a while now as a potential purchase. I would really like a sail boat but the family wants a power boat. I occasionally sail on a friends 1929(?) wood hull sailboat and that is the life for me. My family likes our other friends 21 ft Chris-Craft. We used to go camping with a family that had a power boat. My wife & kids would go sking with him while his wife and kids went sailing with me. Worked out great. It seems to me that sailors don't like it because it's not a "real" sailboat. Powerboaters don't like it because it isn't a "real" power boat and then there are those with them who more or less seem to like them. I have heard some say it bobs like a cork under sail and that the hull is weak. They are ''lightly built'', makes them easier to trailer and cheaper to buy. IMHO they are good for lakes and protected waters. Certainly there are compromises made just like an enduro will never be a great dirt bike or a great road bike but, it has it's place. The question is, how is the MacGregor? I'd like to do coastal sailing in Southern California. I probably would never venture farther than Catalina or the channel islands. I'd also like to sail some of the lakes like havasu, Powell, etc. so the trailerability of the MacGregor is appealing. Family of 4 up to 1 week trips once or twice a year. I wouldn't consider myself the fair weather type; as skills progress I'd sail year around in as much weather as the ship and her captain are capable of. Buy a better sailing trailerable. Rent jet-skis for your kids. Seriously, can you afford a small sail boat AND a small power boat? -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
I think perhaps you're missing the point in some respects. While *you* may
have varied and deep experience with sailing, *most* Mac owners don't. This is probably true of most new boat owners, of course. And, the point is that these new owners with little or no sailing experience are not getting a boat that can stand up to many of the rigors of what one can encounter. The boats should be used primarily in protected waters in mild conditions. That doesn't mean you can't do more with them. That's true off all boats. These new owners with limited or no experience are in danger of getting in over their heads if they think these boats are up to sailing in conditions beyond protected and mild. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JimC" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: Funny, I've been looking at the MacGregor for a while now as a potential purchase. I would really like a sail boat but the family wants a power boat. I occasionally sail on a friends 1929(?) wood hull sailboat and that is the life for me. My family likes our other friends 21 ft Chris-Craft. It seems to me that sailors don't like it because it's not a "real" sailboat. Powerboaters don't like it because it isn't a "real" power boat and then there are those with them who more or less seem to like them. I have heard some say it bobs like a cork under sail and that the hull is weak. Certainly there are compromises made just like an enduro will never be a great dirt bike or a great road bike but, it has it's place. The question is, how is the MacGregor? I'd like to do coastal sailing in Southern California. I probably would never venture farther than Catalina or the channel islands. I'd also like to sail some of the lakes like havasu, Powell, etc. so the trailerability of the MacGregor is appealing. Family of 4 up to 1 week trips once or twice a year. I wouldn't consider myself the fair weather type; as skills progress I'd sail year around in as much weather as the ship and her captain are capable of. Opinions? Carl Before getting our 26M, I had experience, over some 30 years, sailing a number of larger, conventional boats, including an Endeavor 32, a Beneteau 39, O'Day 38-39, several Catalinas, a Cal 32, and a 40-ft Valiant staysail-rigged sloop (my favorite). So, I am well-aware that the Mac 26M has some limitations when compared to such larger, conventional boats. It it's hull speed isn't as great, and it normally doesn't point as high, as heavy conventional-keel boats with longer waterlines, such as the Valiant 40. On the other hand, the 26M offers a number of capabilies not available on most conventional vessels. As with any small, light boat, it's not as comfortable in heavy weather conditions as a heavier, conventional weighted keel vessel. So, if your plans entail taking the boat offshore on extended cruises, I would suggest you look at larger, heavier boats. Because of its size, I don't think you should plan on sleeping five or six people onboard for several weeks. Regarding the "feel" of the Mac's steering, many of us have installed a linkage system permitting convenient "quick disconnect" of the steering linkage from the motor, which greatly reduces the load on the steering and enhances the "feel" and control under sail. I would also recommend roller furling and convenient mainsail furling, with lines led aft. As you have noticed, there are lots of opinions, pro and con, concerning the Macs. In evaluating them, I would suggest that you give greater attention to comments from folks who have actually sailed the current Mac 26 model (the Mac 26M, sold since 2003). Changes in the current model include a new hull with heavier construction, a vertically adjustable dagger board (rather than a pivotal keel), ballast consisting of permanent and water ballast (rather than just water ballast), rotatable mast, taller mast and narrower mainsail profile, new chain plate construction, etc. The vertically adjustable dagger board, for example, provides better control and higher pointing than the pivotal keel of older Mac boats. So, the Mac26M still isn't as fast upwind as a larger boat with conventional, weighted keel, and (horrors), some larger boats may pass you, the boat, it's still lots of fun to sail. It's also fun to motor back to the marina at 15 knots at the end of a long hot day when the wind has gone or is in your face. Obviously, you can't trailer a heavy boat such as the 40-foot Valiant easily to another sailing location, and there are places the Mac can go that the Valiant couldn't. Regarding it's speed under power, if you want to do 20mph easily with full load and water ballast, some Mac owners are opting for a 70hp 2-cycle (lightweight) or larger motor. Ultimately, it boils down to what you want to do with the boat and what's important to you. If you have unlimited funds, then getting a power boat and a large, conventional sailboat, and paying for slips for each, makes sense. The bottom line to me is that it's simply fun (and convenient) to sail. Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Capt. JG wrote: I think perhaps you're missing the point in some respects. While *you* may have varied and deep experience with sailing, *most* Mac owners don't. This is probably true of most new boat owners, of course. And, the point is that these new owners with little or no sailing experience are not getting a boat that can stand up to many of the rigors of what one can encounter. The boats should be used primarily in protected waters in mild conditions. That doesn't mean you can't do more with them. That's true off all boats. These new owners with limited or no experience are in danger of getting in over their heads if they think these boats are up to sailing in conditions beyond protected and mild. As stated on November 5 ("Yesterday's Sail"), I agree that most MacGregor owners probably aren't as experienced as owners of larger boats. And that could be a cause for concern if they don't have enough training, know-how, and experience to avoid getting into conditions beyond their skill levels or the boats' capabilities. On the whole, however, I think that most (not all) MacGregor owners are aware of those limitations and are aware of the fact that the Macs aren't intended as ocean crossing boats suited for sailing in heavy offshore weather. (Actually, I think most Mac owners are somewhat overcautious about taking their boats out in marginal conditions.) Of course, there will always be exceptions who either don't know what they are doing or don't care about the safety factors. The point of mentioning my prior sailing experience on larger boats was to make it clear that my opinion of the Mac isn't the opinion of a new sailor who has no experience on other boats and therefore no reference for comparison. As stated before, I do recognize that the Macs have limitations, that they normally don't sail upwind as well as larger, conventional keel boats, and that they aren't suited for every application. Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote | Ultimately, it boils down to what you want to do with the boat and | what's important to you. If you have unlimited funds, then getting a | power boat and a large, conventional sailboat, and paying for slips for | each, makes sense. It's a good boat if you want to go out and have people pointing at you behind your back and laughing and thinking to themselves, "What an idiot!" And, "He coulda spent that money on a good used sailboat and had something to be proud of." And, "I guess he doesn't care about safety." "I guess he has no idea how silly he looks to everybody." Did you ever look real good at a knee boarder. He's looking like some kinda retarded cripple bouncing up and down at the end of a string. That's what Mac26s look like to me..... JimC, maybe a person who doesn't care what other people think. But, I doubt it. If you were you wouldn't spend so much time here trying to convince people that Mac26s are anything but the *retarded cripple* of sailboats. Cheers, Ellen |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Ellen MacArthur wrote: "JimC" wrote | Ultimately, it boils down to what you want to do with the boat and | what's important to you. If you have unlimited funds, then getting a | power boat and a large, conventional sailboat, and paying for slips for | each, makes sense. It's a good boat if you want to go out and have people pointing at you behind your back and laughing and thinking to themselves, "What an idiot!" And, "He coulda spent that money on a good used sailboat and had something to be proud of." And, "I guess he doesn't care about safety." "I guess he has no idea how silly he looks to everybody." Did you ever look real good at a knee boarder. He's looking like some kinda retarded cripple bouncing up and down at the end of a string. That's what Mac26s look like to me..... JimC, maybe a person who doesn't care what other people think. But, I doubt it. If you were you wouldn't spend so much time here trying to convince people that Mac26s are anything but the *retarded cripple* of sailboats. Actually, it takes at least two people to keep a discussion going, Ellen. If you don't like my comments, you don't have to answer them. In fact, you don't even have to read them. If you weren't so obviously frustrated because you keep getting your ass kicked all over the ng, you would have lost interest in Mac discussions long ago. Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Jim... fyi, Ellen=Neal
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JimC" wrote in message m... Ellen MacArthur wrote: "JimC" wrote | Ultimately, it boils down to what you want to do with the boat and | what's important to you. If you have unlimited funds, then getting a | power boat and a large, conventional sailboat, and paying for slips for | each, makes sense. It's a good boat if you want to go out and have people pointing at you behind your back and laughing and thinking to themselves, "What an idiot!" And, "He coulda spent that money on a good used sailboat and had something to be proud of." And, "I guess he doesn't care about safety." "I guess he has no idea how silly he looks to everybody." Did you ever look real good at a knee boarder. He's looking like some kinda retarded cripple bouncing up and down at the end of a string. That's what Mac26s look like to me..... JimC, maybe a person who doesn't care what other people think. But, I doubt it. If you were you wouldn't spend so much time here trying to convince people that Mac26s are anything but the *retarded cripple* of sailboats. Actually, it takes at least two people to keep a discussion going, Ellen. If you don't like my comments, you don't have to answer them. In fact, you don't even have to read them. If you weren't so obviously frustrated because you keep getting your ass kicked all over the ng, you would have lost interest in Mac discussions long ago. Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote | Actually, it takes at least two people to keep a discussion going, | Ellen. If you don't like my comments, you don't have to answer them. In | fact, you don't even have to read them. If you weren't so obviously | frustrated because you keep getting your ass kicked all over the ng, you | would have lost interest in Mac discussions long ago. But I like your comments. They're so typical. They sound just like anybody who's trying to talk himself into believing he didn't screw up royally. You can hear comments like you make all the time. It can be about a boat, a car, a movie, a hamburger. It can be about anything you spend money on. Only difference is the more money people spend the harder they try to convince themselves they spent it wisely. You musta paid a million dollars for your Mac26. :-) Cheers, Ellen |
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Capt. JG wrote: Jim... fyi, Ellen=Neal What's he trying to prove? Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote | Capt. JG wrote: | Ellen=Neal | What's he trying to prove? You think Capt. JG knows what he's talking about? Heheheheheheheheheh! No wonder lawyers get a bad name...... Why don't you be a good lawyer and ask him for proof? Cheers, Ellen |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
He's trying to be clever I suppose.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JimC" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Jim... fyi, Ellen=Neal What's he trying to prove? Jim |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC wrote:
Capt. JG wrote: Jim... fyi, Ellen=Neal What's he trying to prove? I don't know, but he's been doing the female impersonation thing off and on for at least 7 years. It's about as convincing as Donald Rumsfeld in a dress. //Walt |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC wrote:
The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like
that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC wrote: Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King A friend of mine was boat shopping once and I suggested several newer boats that I would like and he replied "No, I want a good traditional hull" to which I replied that "The bottom of the ocean is littered with good traditional hulls". It amazes me that people like DSK will even accept that new fangled fiberglass stuff instead of the old tried and proven wood hulls. |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
JimC wrote:
Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. No quote attributions, sorry. I'm not a mind reader. And your statements were quite clear. I only object to the ones that are also quite wrong. ... Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Of course it does, that's why I remarked that I was glad you liked your boat and wished you many happy years with her. DSK |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
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Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
DSK wrote: JimC wrote: Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. No quote attributions, sorry. I'm not a mind reader. And your statements were quite clear. I only object to the ones that are also quite wrong. The quotes were segregated between dashed lines. I would have thought that my lead in introduction, copied below, would have given you a hint. Jim Carl, FYI, here are some comments from some guys who have actually bought (and sailed) a Mac 26M, when asked what they thought about the boat and whether they would buy the same boat again: ---------------------------------------------------------------- If the clock could be turned back, would you buy again? - Yes,she's a great versatile boat that offers great options on sailing or powering. I .... |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the
mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message ... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
DSK wrote:
But he won't do more sailing than any other trailerable sailboat, he'll just go slower and have a harder time steering. Why do people have to act like the Mac26 is the *only* trailerable sailboat? Sorry, just catching up. I couldn't find my thread. No I haven't joined the cult just yet. There are too many things to consider and will have analysis paralysis for a while. So what are the recommendations for other trailerable sailboats suitable for a family of four as described in my initial post. If I carry a dingey with motor my kids would be satiated. Don't worry about tow weight too much, F-350 SD Diesel can pull quite a bit. I don't want to break the bank on my first boat. I have some experience but would like to cut my teeth for 2-3 years and then break the bank. Carl |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Sounds like you did a good Cherry-Picking job Sotty.
In any event, they are lots of fun to sail. Jim Scotty wrote: What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message ... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Thanks Jim. Interesting comments. |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Two questions Sotty:
(1) What percentage of those comments relate to the current Macs (the 26M)? (2) How many of the quotes were from individuals who had actually sailed the Mac, and in particular, the 26M? (Helpful hint: Since you won't have any substantive answers, just avoid answering the questions. - Post some more propaganda.) Jim Scotty wrote: What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message ... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote in message et... Sounds like you did a good Cherry-Picking job Sotty. As did you. In any event, they are lots of fun to sail. I'm sure they are, under the right conditions. Scotty Scotty wrote: What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message ... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
"JimC" wrote in message et... Two questions Sotty: (1) What percentage of those comments relate to the current Macs (the 26M)? 100% (2) How many of the quotes were from individuals who had actually sailed the Mac, and in particular, the 26M? 5 (Helpful hint: Since you won't have any substantive answers, just avoid answering the questions. - Post some more propaganda.) You first. Scotty Scotty wrote: What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message ... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
I would suggest you check out
http://www.trailersailor.com/ A really great site for trailersailors. Scotty "CJH" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: But he won't do more sailing than any other trailerable sailboat, he'll just go slower and have a harder time steering. Why do people have to act like the Mac26 is the *only* trailerable sailboat? Sorry, just catching up. I couldn't find my thread. No I haven't joined the cult just yet. There are too many things to consider and will have analysis paralysis for a while. So what are the recommendations for other trailerable sailboats suitable for a family of four as described in my initial post. If I carry a dingey with motor my kids would be satiated. Don't worry about tow weight too much, F-350 SD Diesel can pull quite a bit. I don't want to break the bank on my first boat. I have some experience but would like to cut my teeth for 2-3 years and then break the bank. Carl |
Google proves MacGregor 26 is flimsy
Scotty wrote: "JimC" wrote in message et... Two questions Sotty: (1) What percentage of those comments relate to the current Macs (the 26M)? 100% Let me be a little more specific. - What percentage of them were specifically referring to the Mac 26M. (Don't forget that it's a sin to tell a lie Sotty.) (2) How many of the quotes were from individuals who had actually sailed the Mac, and in particular, the 26M? 5 Do you have any evidence for this ridiculous statement Sotty? Like comments about when and where they sail the 26M, under what circumstances, what motor they use, what accessories they added, and why they bought a Mac 26M (if they did), etc. (Helpful hint: Since you won't have any substantive answers, just avoid answering the questions. - Post some more propaganda.) You first. Scotty Actually, I posted quotes from owners of Mac 26M's who sailed the Mac 26M as their primary vessel. - You didn't. What's worse is that you won't admit it. Jim y wrote: What does this prove? Here's some more quotes about the mac26Xm. ''John ''wrote....the Mac 26 is the flimsiest, ugliest POS I've ever seen. ''JrJelly'' wrote.....the hull oil cans like a cheap screen door. I'd be afraid to sail one of those anywhere but in my pool. "BFCrede" wrote..... buy a MacGregor 26? Don't make me laugh! " tommyGun'' wrote....(Mac26) worse boat in history ''BlueWaterBoy'' wrote.... while looking at the Mac 26 , it was all I could do to not heave on the dam thing . ''KeViN'' wrote..... don't waste your money on a Magreger 26. It's not a sailboat and it's not a power boat. It's just plain awfull! "JimC" wrote in message . com... Doug, read the damn note a little more carefully before you pop off like that. Those comments were quotes from owners of Mac 26Ms expressing their own opinions of their own boats, posted here by me to give the OP some idea of what other 26M owners thought about the boat. My own opinions, posted over and over again, have been that the Macs have good and bad points and are not suited for everyone or for every intended use, but that there ought to be a little more balance in some of the discussions of the Mac. - What do you expect me to do? - Track down those Mac owners and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about and that they ought to apologize and issue a retraction of their comments? Apparently, the thought that some Mac owners like their boats and enjoy sailing them drives you up a wall. Jim DSK wrote: JimC wrote: The boat's best features: Sailing ability.She sails as well as any boat costing double the price I have sailed on. Glad you added the qualifier of boats that *you* have sailed. I don't mean this to be insulting, but it is a fact that the Mac26X and successor the -M are slow, especially to windward. There are many boats that are cheaper which will sail rings around it. Of course, JimC won't admit that, and he doesn't have to because he himself hasn't sailed any of them. I have. The 26M is a practical fun boat that can be used for serious sailing without the major costs involved. It is a practical fun boat that can have sails hoisted. The boat's best features: She doesn't pound in 3 foot rollers at speeds of 14- 16 mph. ??? ... She will sail well with just the main. She won't sail "well" ever, unless you like going slow & steering poorly. .... There is something to be said about going to Catalina and arriving 2 or 3 hours ahead of the fastest sail boats out there. ??? "Which "fastest" sailboats are these? Considering that there are boats which break 20 knots regularly, making this claim shows your limited knowledge & experience (or mendacity, depending). ...It will heel quite easily to 15-20 degrees, but at this point, it starts to lift the water ballast tank out of the water and so stiffens up and does not heel much more. Physics isn't your strong suit, is it Jim? "Lifting the water ballast tank" has nothing to do with the boats stability. The water ballast tank, when full, lowers the boat's senter of gravity. Gravity doesn't know or care if the water ballst tank is "lifted above the waterline." Th "lifting above the waterline" effect of water ballast has been stated often, since the beginning of water ballasted boats, by a bunch of ignorant blowhards. I guess you believed it. I have read many things on the web against the macgregor. Frankly i don't know what the _____ they are talking about. Yep The boat's best features: Easy to sail and forgiving, excellent handling under power. Mast raising system is as advertised and a pleasure. While rigging is neither arduous or difficult, it is time consuming, but not an issue for me since I keep the vessel in a slip. The vessel is comfortable for our use, which tends to two adults and (occasionally) a grandson. I am glad that you like your boat Jim, and have a great time with her. It shows that you have chosen well. But your remarks about the boat's sailing performance are just plain wrong, but it doesn't matter if you yourself are content with the boat's performance. But one might wonder why you feel the need to either lie or remain ignorant of what other boats are capable of. We've had a number of friends with these boats, and they have all been happy with them. However they also moved on (as we did too, from a trailerable). I wish you many happy days aboard your vessel. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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