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It's funny how someone like Jeff could know so little about weather.
LaGuardia reported 17 knots steady Kings Point less, Execution Rocks
quite a bit more.

Well, unlike MOST people here, we actually got on our boat, left the
slip and raised sail.
Many of you, just to try something different, should try this.
Winds were between 17-20 knots and there were occasional gusts to 30,
turning the water green in spots. Whitecaps were constant as we sailed
out further.
Some big boats were out...a C&C 40 or 41 and a few larger J-boats. Like
us, the J's did not hoist their headsails. The C&C was sailing with a
furled down genoa (too much) and wasn't sailing well. Heart of Gold was
quite composed...at least for that moment!
The kevlar main is a like a GIANT BLACK JET WING!!!!! The 35s5 gybed
and Suzanne said "holy sh*t" as the boat accelerated. I eased the main
to calm things as we tacked a few times, watching the battens...and
headed for Execution Rocks. Suzanne suggested we leave the genoa furled
and I agreed. We were making 6-7 knots. I noticed that the #2 batten
was ticking the backstay on tacks, but not on gybes. It's an easy fix.
The Kevlar sail is more like a solid object. There is little luffing or
any indication that the sail is doing anything less than transmitting
maximum force possible. It's silent and heavy looking, though much
lighter than the original main. Off the wind the new main felt
amazingly efficient. I had always felt the 35s5 sluggish dead downwind,
but not now!
And then it happened. A fairly lumpy set of waves caught us on the port
side. Suzanne was about to take a photo, holding onto the furled genoa
and a nice wave broke over her. She was soaked from the belly-button
down. The next wave added insult to injury and soaked her pretty much
all over!
No big deal except she had taken her clothing off the boat and had
nothing to change into. Damn!!!! Well, she went below and warned up and
I sailed back to are slip fast. It was fun while it lasted. Still
waiting for a slightly calmer day to play with these sails....and
running out of time. I'm hauling in two weeks!


RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
It's funny how someone like Jeff could know so little about weather.
LaGuardia reported 17 knots steady Kings Point less, Execution Rocks
quite a bit more.

Well, unlike MOST people here, we actually got on our boat, left the
slip and raised sail.
Many of you, just to try something different, should try this.
Winds were between 17-20 knots and there were occasional gusts to 30,
turning the water green in spots. Whitecaps were constant as we sailed
out further.
Some big boats were out...a C&C 40 or 41 and a few larger J-boats. Like
us, the J's did not hoist their headsails. The C&C was sailing with a
furled down genoa (too much) and wasn't sailing well. Heart of Gold was
quite composed...at least for that moment!
The kevlar main is a like a GIANT BLACK JET WING!!!!! The 35s5 gybed
and Suzanne said "holy sh*t" as the boat accelerated. I eased the main
to calm things as we tacked a few times, watching the battens...and
headed for Execution Rocks. Suzanne suggested we leave the genoa furled
and I agreed. We were making 6-7 knots. I noticed that the #2 batten
was ticking the backstay on tacks, but not on gybes. It's an easy fix.
The Kevlar sail is more like a solid object. There is little luffing or
any indication that the sail is doing anything less than transmitting
maximum force possible. It's silent and heavy looking, though much
lighter than the original main. Off the wind the new main felt
amazingly efficient. I had always felt the 35s5 sluggish dead downwind,
but not now!
And then it happened. A fairly lumpy set of waves caught us on the port
side. Suzanne was about to take a photo, holding onto the furled genoa
and a nice wave broke over her. She was soaked from the belly-button
down. The next wave added insult to injury and soaked her pretty much
all over!
No big deal except she had taken her clothing off the boat and had
nothing to change into. Damn!!!! Well, she went below and warned up and
I sailed back to are slip fast. It was fun while it lasted. Still
waiting for a slightly calmer day to play with these sails....and
running out of time. I'm hauling in two weeks!

Hope her camera was not damaged. you got any new pictures of the sails?

Joe


RB
35s5
NY

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Hope her camera was not damaged. you got any new pictures of the sails?



The little casio got splashed but seems to work fine. I got no pics
from today, but here's a very light air shot from yesterday
morning.....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/imag...ck35s5weby.jpg


R.

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Capt. Rob wrote:

It's funny how someone like Jeff could know so little about weather.
LaGuardia reported 17 knots steady Kings Point less, Execution Rocks
quite a bit more.

You're the one who claim "40 knots." I said the forecast was for
10-15, gusts to 25, which is pretty much what there was.


To bad your boat is so wet, I hope everyone is OK.

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On 23 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Suzanne suggested we leave the genoa furled
and I agreed.

Take no notice. Reef.
I have never even seen anyone sail under main alone..

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I have never even seen anyone sail under main alone..




That's hard to believe. Quite a few fractional rigs sail very well with
just the main.


RB
35s5
NY

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You're the one who claim "40 knots." I said the forecast was for
10-15, gusts to 25, which is pretty much what there was.





Jeff, why do you need to lie to defend your posts? I said the weather
called for winds to 40 knots. I never REPORTED 40 knots, just echoed
what I heard on the radio.
Beyond that your wind report is STILL wrong as we were in more that
10-15 constant. Or, if you will, please admit to the group that my
kevlar main is SO GREAT that the 35s5 can break hull speed in 10 knots
without the genoa!
The execution rocks link wind report matched what we observed 1st hand
in any case.

Go away, Jeff...you're busted again.



RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
You're the one who claim "40 knots." I said the forecast was for
10-15, gusts to 25, which is pretty much what there was.

Jeff, why do you need to lie to defend your posts? I said the weather
called for winds to 40 knots. I never REPORTED 40 knots, just echoed
what I heard on the radio.

Why do you lie like this Rob? I followed my comment with the marine
forecast. Why don't you show us the forecast that claimed 40 knots?
The actual wind was, as forecast, 15 kts with gusts 20 to 25.

Your "forecast" was apparently pulled out of your butt.

Beyond that your wind report is STILL wrong as we were in more that
10-15 constant.

Yes, at Execution Rock the steady wind was as high as 16 knots for a
brief period. It must have been horrific!

Or, if you will, please admit to the group that my
kevlar main is SO GREAT that the 35s5 can break hull speed in 10 knots
without the genoa!

I'm surprised you don't need extra ballast to keep from going airborne!

The execution rocks link wind report matched what we observed 1st hand
in any case.

Really? So this whole little tantrum is because I said the forecast
was 15 kts and you really saw 16? But what happened to your
"forecast" of 40?


Go away, Jeff...you're busted again.

Me? You're the one who went out in moderate conditions, carried main
only, and then repeatedly drenched your unprepared crew so you had to
turn tail and run back in. Good show there, booby!

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"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Go away, Jeff...

At least Jeff does 'go away' once in a while. Sailing, that
is.
How many times are you going to post about your silly
little day sails to Ex. Rock ?

SBV

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Hope her camera was not damaged. you got any new pictures of the sails?



The little casio got splashed but seems to work fine. I got no pics
from today, but here's a very light air shot from yesterday
morning.....

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/imag...ck35s5weby.jpg


R.

What are you going to do about that topping lift?

Joe

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What are you going to do about that topping lift?


Good eye! I have a new one, but will swap it out in the spring.


RB

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The actual wind was, as forecast, 15 kts with gusts 20 to 25.



Oh, so then the link for Execution Rocks LIED?
Oh, I see.
You weren't there. You weren't sailing.
We were.
Get used to that because it's the norm.


RB
35s5
NY

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Your "forecast" was apparently pulled out of your butt.

Actually it was from the butt of 1010 WINS News radio in NY, but thanks
for the interest!


Really? So this whole little tantrum is because I said the forecast
was 15 kts and you really saw 16? But what happened to your
"forecast" of 40?

Still lying I see. I did not forcast 40 knots. The radio did.


You're the one who went out in moderate conditions

Gusts to 30 knots is hardly moderate conditions, unless those gusts are
far apart. They weren't. You sound like someone who's never sailed a
fast light boat on a gusty day!

only, and then repeatedly drenched your unprepared crew so you had to
turn tail and run back in. Good show there, booby!

Yup....I was sailing with just the one sail...like everyone else. I
guess we're all bad sailors! No spare clothes for Suzanne....that WAS a
bad show.


RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
The actual wind was, as forecast, 15 kts with gusts 20 to 25.

Oh, so then the link for Execution Rocks LIED?


The several times I looked it was never over 16 kts. However, I see
by the raw data:
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/realtime2/44022.txt
that there were a few periods where the sustained wind was actually 9
m/s, or 17 kts.

So now we know that's your limit - at 17 knots you can no longer
control your boat. Of course, with the high seas, we can understand.
What were they, 1 foot, or 2 feet?

Your just don't understand how silly you look, arguing whether it was
15 or 16 or 17 knots, after you claimed the forecast was gusts to 40.

Oh, I see.
You weren't there. You weren't sailing.

You're right, my boat's high and dry now. My last sail was last week,
10 miles singlehanded. It was uneventful except for the rain squall
with 20kts that came and went.

There's a chance I'll get out in a Rhodes 19 if its nice on the weekend.

We were.
Get used to that because it's the norm.

Sure thing. Bring plenty of extra clothes. It sounds like you boat
is pretty sloppy.

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So now we know that's your limit - at 17 knots you can no longer
control your boat.



Yeah, the gusts actually leveled us out!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



RB
35s5
NY

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Bring plenty of extra clothes. It sounds like you boat
is pretty sloppy.


Suzanne left her gear bag home and emptied the aft locker. It was her
own fault!



RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote in message ...

No clothes for Suzanne....that WAS a
bad show.


except for the other lesbians.

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On 24 Oct 2006 03:54:37 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:



I have never even seen anyone sail under main alone..




That's hard to believe. Quite a few fractional rigs sail very well with
just the main.

I live a shetered life..
It is common to see people motoring when they could sail. It is also
very common to see people sailing under headsail alone when cruising
on a reach in a fresh breeze. If I saw someone using main alone I
would suspect they had some problem or were useless sailors. Who knows
wht they might do in England..

I think there are several advantages to reefing the main and using a
small headsail.

You can carry a greater sail area since the CE is lower.

The tendency to weather helm and luffing up is less since the the
forward component of sail "lift" and centre of drag are closer in
plan view, since the CE is closer to the boat both vertically and
*laterally*.

The CE is moved forward by the moment of the jib.

Both the above mean that you can sail more heeled and with more
driving force and remain reasonably balanced.

Tacking without getting stuck in irons by backing the jib. (mine tends
to stall the keel and stop in strong winds)

The risk of broaching is reduced.

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I live a shetered life..
It is common to see people motoring when they could sail. It is also
very common to see people sailing under headsail alone when cruising
on a reach in a fresh breeze. If I saw someone using main alone I
would suspect they had some problem or were useless sailors. Who knows
wht they might do in England..



Fractionals, at least some of them, sail quite well under main alone.
Try a J30 for example. You can sail one with just the main and have a
great time. On my 35s5, a reef and small headsail would be better in
most cases than a single main, but shorthanded and playing with a new
sail, running with the main alone made sense.
I also see a lot of masthead rigs sailing with genoa alone. It's there
boat. Let them play as they please.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote

I'm too stupid and lazy to unroll my jib.





RB
35s5
NY