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Bart October 20th 06 06:11 AM

Binoculars
 
What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]

Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


Capt. Rob October 20th 06 02:37 PM

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Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


Watch everyone get this wrong.


RB
35s5
NY


Joe October 20th 06 03:18 PM

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


The NAVY issue stamp, and quaility optics.

Joe


Watch everyone get this wrong.


RB
35s5
NY



Capt.Mooron October 20th 06 03:26 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


Watch everyone get this wrong.


Oh... you mean like some people might choose magnification and field of view
over lens diameter and depth of field? Personally.... I believe quality and
suitability are my primary guiding factors.

Then again... what do I know?

CM-



Capt. Rob October 20th 06 03:50 PM

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Actually, and Bart will probably have to change his POV on this as I'm
100% correct, the most important factor for choosing ANY binocular set
is inter-ocular distances. This will determine if you can use them AT
ALL. No other aspect of a given optical design matters if you cannot
use both eyes. Steiner has several units that are not compatible with
all users.



RB
35s5
NY


Scotty October 20th 06 03:52 PM

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with

straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]

Name the two most characteristics to look for when

shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]



'On Sale' and free shipping.

Scotty



Martin Baxter October 20th 06 04:05 PM

Binoculars
 
Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Use the Straps?


Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


This is going to depend on your intendended use. But the first thing is
probably to check if they have adequately sized prisms, chances are if
the manufacturer skimped on these the rest of the build quality will be
poor.

You can check prism size by holding the binoculars up in front of your
eyes at nearly arms length and look through the objective lens at a a
faily bright uniform source (like the sky or a a white wall, NOT THE
SUN). If you see what appears a bright square in a darker circle in each
objective the prisms are too small, the circle should be uniform if the
prisms are adequately sized.

Cheers
Marty

Gilligan October 20th 06 04:09 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Actually, and Bart will probably have to change his POV on this as I'm
100% correct, the most important factor for choosing ANY binocular set
is inter-ocular distances. This will determine if you can use them AT
ALL. No other aspect of a given optical design matters if you cannot
use both eyes. Steiner has several units that are not compatible with
all users.


That's because you have an ape-like skull and your eyes are set close
together with a large protruding brow.



Gilligan October 20th 06 04:10 PM

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:
Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


The NAVY issue stamp, and quaility optics.

Joe


The Navy had good binoculars.



Gilligan October 20th 06 04:20 PM

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"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Hang them from the navigator's balls.
(Quadrantial spheres for the uniniated).


Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


Lens diameter and power. Too powerful you can't hold them steady. Lens
diameter indicates light gathering capability. Binoculars are most essential
in low light conditions. During the day they are mere sight seeing gimmicks.
The distance to the horizon is so short in sailboats and, in general, the
visibility from the cockpit is so impeded by those big white sails that day
use of binoculars is silly. Low light conditions are where binoculars become
useful. You aren't going to hit something a mile away in a sailboat, it
takes a good part of an hour to get that far. However in dark conditions the
binoculars gather much more light than the eye. Sailboats, thankfully are
slow otherwise they would be a real hazard to navigation.






Capt.Mooron October 20th 06 04:26 PM

Binoculars
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Actually, and Bart will probably have to change his POV on this as I'm
100% correct, the most important factor for choosing ANY binocular set
is inter-ocular distances. This will determine if you can use them AT
ALL. No other aspect of a given optical design matters if you cannot
use both eyes. Steiner has several units that are not compatible with
all users.


What if the distance is adjustable... like on most binoculars. I think they
invented that about the same time they came up with adjustable dioptres.

CM-



Scotty October 20th 06 04:33 PM

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"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..


visibility from the cockpit is so impeded by those big

white sails that day
use of binoculars is silly.



And those ''big white sails'' become transparent at night?

Scotty



Martin Baxter October 20th 06 04:36 PM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Actually, and Bart will probably have to change his POV on this as I'm
100% correct, the most important factor for choosing ANY binocular set
is inter-ocular distances. This will determine if you can use them AT
ALL.


Especially important when your eyes are spaced as widely apart as those
found on a mule, or an ass.

Cheers
Marty

Gilligan October 20th 06 04:39 PM

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 19 Oct 2006 22:11:51 -0700, "Bart" said:


I'm surprised no one has mentioned light gathering capability.


Only someone who actually used binoculars under varied and adverse
conditions would mention this. Most here are daytime fair weather sailors,
why are you surprised?




Scotty October 20th 06 04:47 PM

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"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 19 Oct 2006 22:11:51 -0700, "Bart"

said:


I'm surprised no one has mentioned light gathering

capability.

Only someone who actually used binoculars under varied and

adverse
conditions would mention this. Most here are daytime fair

weather sailors,
why are you surprised?



some here don't even own a boat. Shocking!

SV



Martin Baxter October 20th 06 04:48 PM

Binoculars
 
Gilligan wrote:

"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...
What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Hang them from the navigator's balls.
(Quadrantial spheres for the uniniated).


Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


Lens diameter and power. Too powerful you can't hold them steady. Lens
diameter indicates light gathering capability.


All that light gathering will do no good if doesn't get transmitted due
to undersized prisms.

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter October 20th 06 04:50 PM

Binoculars
 
Martin Baxter wrote:

Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Use the Straps?


Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


This is going to depend on your intendended use. But the first thing is
probably to check if they have adequately sized prisms, chances are if
the manufacturer skimped on these the rest of the build quality will be
poor.

You can check prism size by holding the binoculars up in front of your
eyes at nearly arms length and look through the objective lens at a a
faily bright uniform source (like the sky or a a white wall, NOT THE
SUN). If you see what appears a bright square in a darker circle in each
objective the prisms are too small, the circle should be uniform if the
prisms are adequately sized.

Cheers
Marty


Correction: should have said "eypieces" rather than "objective lens" in
the previous passage.

Cheers
Marty
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Martin Baxter October 20th 06 04:55 PM

Binoculars
 
Dave wrote:

On 19 Oct 2006 22:11:51 -0700, "Bart" said:

Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


I'm surprised no one has mentioned light gathering capability. That's the
main reason the Navy uses 7X50s (or at least did in my day). They provided
the best compromise of magnification and light gathering ability, coupled
with a field of view that was adequate on a moving deck.


Don't forget the diameter of the exit pupil, (objective dia./mag.),
should approximate the size of the pupil in the light conditions for
which you intend to use them. The 7X50s with a 7 mm exit diameter are a
fair compromise; the human pupil can open to about 9 mm in low light.
The typical 7X35 used by bird watchers have and exit pupil of 5 mm.

Cheers
Marty

Bart October 20th 06 04:59 PM

Binoculars
 

Martin Baxter wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Actually, and Bart will probably have to change his POV on this as I'm
100% correct, the most important factor for choosing ANY binocular set
is inter-ocular distances. This will determine if you can use them AT
ALL.


Especially important when your eyes are spaced as widely apart as those
found on a mule, or an ass.


Not what I was looking for Martin, but worthy of honorable mention.

Predators have their eyes on the front of their heads, while prey, have

eyes on the sides so they can be alerted to run away.


Bart October 20th 06 05:05 PM

Binoculars
 

Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Use the Straps?


There is a trick to this. I bet Jeff or Doug will know it.

Hint: It allows you to take off either pair without removing
the other.


Martin Baxter October 20th 06 05:10 PM

Binoculars
 
Bart wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Use the Straps?


There is a trick to this. I bet Jeff or Doug will know it.

Hint: It allows you to take off either pair without removing
the other.



I think the Trick is more in how you lift the binos of, if want the pair
that appear to be "under" just reach through the strap of the other pair
and grasp the binos you want, lifting them "out" through the straps of
the top pair and the under strap will pull free of the top strap.

Cheers
marty
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Bart October 20th 06 05:12 PM

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Gilligan wrote:

use of binoculars is silly. Low light conditions are where binoculars become
useful. You aren't going to hit something a mile away in a sailboat, it
takes a good part of an hour to get that far. However in dark conditions the
binoculars gather much more light than the eye. Sailboats, thankfully are
slow otherwise they would be a real hazard to navigation.


In my opinion binoculars are not useful, if you can't see anything.
The most important factors being those that help you see what
you are looking at better.

1 point to Gilligan. Light gathering is very important. Honorable
mention to Joe and CM for pointing out quality as a factor. It's
clear that you get what you pay for.


Walt October 20th 06 05:15 PM

Binoculars
 
Bart wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]


Use the Straps?


There is a trick to this. I bet Jeff or Doug will know it.

Hint: It allows you to take off either pair without removing
the other.


Two separate hooks, one for each?

Bart October 20th 06 05:17 PM

Binoculars
 

Dave wrote:
"Bart" said:

Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


I'm surprised no one has mentioned light gathering capability. That's the
main reason the Navy uses 7X50s (or at least did in my day). They provided
the best compromise of magnification and light gathering ability, coupled
with a field of view that was adequate on a moving deck.

Dunno whether the widespread availability of stabilized binoculars has
changed this.


Gilly did mention the light capability. Thanks for the input on the
Navy
specifications.

1 point to you for mentioning stablized binoculars. These are
expensive,
and worth it. A pitching deck make it hard to focus on a distant
object.

I also like binoculars that have a built in compass, but I don't think
that is
an important requirement.


Bart October 20th 06 05:20 PM

Binoculars
 

Walt wrote:
Bart wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:

What is the technique for hanging two binoculars with straps
from the same binnacle? [1 pt]

Use the Straps?


There is a trick to this. I bet Jeff or Doug will know it.

Hint: It allows you to take off either pair without removing
the other.


Two separate hooks, one for each?


No. Just one post. How do you place one on the other
without causing a tangle such that you can remove either one
without removing the other?


Capt. JG October 20th 06 05:59 PM

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Did someone mention stability control? I like that feature.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...

Gilligan wrote:

use of binoculars is silly. Low light conditions are where binoculars
become
useful. You aren't going to hit something a mile away in a sailboat, it
takes a good part of an hour to get that far. However in dark conditions
the
binoculars gather much more light than the eye. Sailboats, thankfully are
slow otherwise they would be a real hazard to navigation.


In my opinion binoculars are not useful, if you can't see anything.
The most important factors being those that help you see what
you are looking at better.

1 point to Gilligan. Light gathering is very important. Honorable
mention to Joe and CM for pointing out quality as a factor. It's
clear that you get what you pay for.




Ellen MacArthur October 20th 06 06:11 PM

Binoculars
 

"Dave" wrote
| Following up on my earlier post, every now and then I've thought of saying
| "dip it" when throwing a line to the dock. But I haven't because I figure it
| would just confuse the line handler. Am I right? How many here would
| immediately know what to do if I threw them a line and said "dip it?"


You dip it in the water first so it gets wet. This makes the knot hold better.
Just kidding. When you dip the line you put it under somebody's else's line that's
already tied there. You should always do this so the first guy to tie up doesn't have
to untie your line to get to his. Do unto others....

Cheers,
Ellen

Scotty October 20th 06 06:19 PM

Binoculars
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 20 Oct 2006 09:05:35 -0700, "Bart"

said:

There is a trick to this.


Following up on my earlier post, every now and then I've

thought of saying
"dip it" when throwing a line to the dock. But I haven't

because I figure it
would just confuse the line handler.


line handler? You must have a big yacht.

Am I right? How many here would
immediately know what to do if I threw them a line and

said "dip ****?"

I'd throw it back

SBV



Ellen MacArthur October 20th 06 06:21 PM

Binoculars
 

"Dave" wrote
| Following up on my earlier post, every now and then I've thought of saying
| "dip it" when throwing a line to the dock. But I haven't because I figure it
| would just confuse the line handler. Am I right? How many here would
| immediately know what to do if I threw them a line and said "dip it?"

Something else. When people don't dip their lines it tells me they're ignorant.
Or they're a power boater. Or they're rude.

Cheers,
Ellen

Joe October 20th 06 07:16 PM

Binoculars
 

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:
Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


The NAVY issue stamp, and quaility optics.

Joe


The Navy had good binoculars.


They still do. My Navy MK43's made in 1942 still are super clear,
bright and have never had a drop of moisture inside them, if the optics
are coated, they still have 100% of the coating intact. JFK treasured
the pair he had on his PT boat.

Joe


Gilligan October 20th 06 07:52 PM

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"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...

Predators have their eyes on the front of their heads, while prey, have

eyes on the sides so they can be alerted to run away.


50 point Smackdown! Well done Bart. An ASA classic for the ages!



Gilligan October 20th 06 07:56 PM

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"Dave" wrote in message
...


Second, I find them useful during the day for a great deal other than
sight
seeing. Locating aids to navigation before they're visible to the naked
eye;
reading buoy numbers and otherwise identifying aids to navigation well in
advance; detecting the angle on the bow of approaching vessels; looking
for
whether there's an anchor line from the bow of that powerboat just off the
bow; getting a feel for the speed of commercial traffic--does it have a
bone
in its teeth; seeing ranges like the center span of the bride and the
submarine escape tower that shows the center of the channel in New London;
etc. etc.


Right you are.


Of course I'm not one of those navigators who thinks navigation consists
of
turning on an electronic display and gluing my eyes to it. YMMV.


Of course.




Gilligan October 20th 06 07:58 PM

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message

All that light gathering will do no good if doesn't get transmitted due
to undersized prisms.


Coating is most important with prisms. You want to reduce loss of the
evanascent modes on the backside of the reflecting part of the prism.



Gilligan October 20th 06 07:58 PM

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

some here don't even own a boat. Shocking!

At least I own a set of binoculars!



Gilligan October 20th 06 07:59 PM

Binoculars
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

On 19 Oct 2006 22:11:51 -0700, "Bart" said:

Name the two most characteristics to look for when shopping
for binoculars? [1 point each]


I'm surprised no one has mentioned light gathering capability. That's the
main reason the Navy uses 7X50s (or at least did in my day). They
provided
the best compromise of magnification and light gathering ability, coupled
with a field of view that was adequate on a moving deck.


Don't forget the diameter of the exit pupil, (objective dia./mag.),
should approximate the size of the pupil in the light conditions for
which you intend to use them. The 7X50s with a 7 mm exit diameter are a
fair compromise; the human pupil can open to about 9 mm in low light.
The typical 7X35 used by bird watchers have and exit pupil of 5 mm.

Cheers
Marty


Don't mules and asses have rectangular pupils?



Ellen MacArthur October 20th 06 08:39 PM

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"Gilligan" wrote
| Don't mules and asses have rectangular pupils?


Mules and asses teach school?


Cheers,
Ellen

Gilligan October 20th 06 09:02 PM

Binoculars
 
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...TRY=1&SRETRY=0



Walt October 20th 06 10:21 PM

Binoculars
 
Gilligan wrote:

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

some here don't even own a boat. Shocking!


At least I own a set of binoculars!



I have two sets of binoculars. A cheap pair that I use for everyday
knocking about, and a really nice expensive pair that I keep on the
bottom of Lake Superior.

//Walt

Scotty October 20th 06 10:46 PM

Binoculars
 

"Gilligan" wrote in
message ...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

some here don't even own a boat. Shocking!

At least I own a set of binoculars!



Just one? Hahah ha ha ha


ha



Scotty October 20th 06 11:14 PM

Binoculars
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:46:00 -0400, "Scotty"

said:

Just one? Hahah ha ha ha


Hey, I've been sailing for years and never needed more

than one. How many
eyes you got, Scotty?



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