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Sold an Outboard here...and now I have a nice deal for a certain
ASA'er. Hopefully he/she will comment on the whole deal once the
sail(s) are delivered. In the first case the trolls actually got the
motor sold by keeping the thread active!

Here's another for ya...
Yamaha 9.9 4 cycle long shaft engine with electric start and fully
rebuilt top end...
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/boa/220875354.html

Thanks....



RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Sold an Outboard here...and now I have a nice deal for a certain
ASA'er. Hopefully he/she will comment on the whole deal once the
sail(s) are delivered. In the first case the trolls actually got the
motor sold by keeping the thread active!

Here's another for ya...
Yamaha 9.9 4 cycle long shaft engine with electric start and fully
rebuilt top end...
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/boa/220875354.html

Thanks....


Hey Rob;

If you ever come across a clean 2 stroke 25hp let me know.

Also, you ever come across any radar cables?

Nice offer on the sails for the racers here, these guys cut good deal
on crusing sails?
Quantum Sails made my first set, but I think I need to expand my
inventory.

I have a 130% Genoa 411 sq ft. ....A 100% 316 sq ft Genoa ... 81 sq ft
storm jib, a 150 sq ft cross cut cruising mizzen, and the 376 ft sg ft
Cruising Cross cut main.

I have no sails for my forward inner stay, and I need a 5 kt whomper
type sail.
Any suggestions?

Joe


RB
35s5
NY

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If you ever come across a clean 2 stroke 25hp let me know.


Joe, I had a totally mint 25HP Nissan I sold for 650 a few months ago.
I didn't think anyone here would want it. I'll keep my eyes open. At
the moment I only have the 9.9 and 8 HP longshafts.

If you're serious about some sails, e-mail me off this forum and I'll
get you a quote. I'll need exact measurements and what you want. The
loft is run by a fellow in the biz for 30 years. He might even know
your boat.

This all came about as a fluke in my search for sales for the 35s5.
I've learned more about sails, how they're made and what it really
costs to make them in the last few months than I learned over 10 years.
I'm actually a bit disturbed by what I've learned, but large lofts need
to cover bigger bills. It's their job in the process to convince us
their technology and build is superior. The small loft tries to
convince us that they make the same sails with the same software, but
don't have the ad-might to get the word out. Tough business, but I'm
really interested in it as of late.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
This all came about as a fluke in my search for sales for the 35s5.
I've learned more about sails, how they're made


Here's where to learn about sails, from somebody whose main
actually reaches full hoist

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Sa.../dp/0312044178

DSK

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Here's where to learn about sails


Does that book talk about the cost of making sails today vs. 5 years
ago? The ultra low cost today for the cutting machines? The fact that
some exotic materials are less expensive than Dacron? Waste ratios for
various materials, which governs production costs? How about standard
sails tweaked into exotica and then poorly made, such as the 3DL from
North?


RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... Waste ratios for
various materials, which governs production costs?

Labor is the biggest single cost.


.... How about standard
sails tweaked into exotica and then poorly made, such as the 3DL from
North?


??

Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.

DSK

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Labor is the biggest single cost.


Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs, especially if it's a
big family. Some smaller lofts have a huge advantage in that regard. In
any case Doyle and UK high salaries at all to the girls assembling
sails.


Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination (not the
patent disaster). Remember the joke, "What does 3DL stand for? Answer:
3 days left."
How many times did North change the build specs on the 3DL, Doug? I
know because I'm friends with a plaintiff from 1999.
The very idea that someone knows something you don't is like poison to
you. It's terribly sad. Yesterday I spent 90 minutes speaking with a
top sailmaker. I listened and rarely said a word. You would have been
trying to show him what YOU know...and you would'nt have learned a
thing.
You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all? Hmmmm?


RB
35s5
NY

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Labor is the biggest single cost.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs

Ah, I see. Get your kids to build the sails for free. Nice.



Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination

Guess all you like. What I know, or don't know, about
lawsuits is not an answer to the question about how 3DL
sails are "tweaked."


You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all?

I'm a "powerboater" with more time under sail than you'll
ever have. My dog knows more about sailing that you, plus
he's a lot more honest.

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.

DSK

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If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.


Doug, you're full of crap as usual.
The 3DL design via molds is old news. You can go to the website if you
want to learn about it. The horrible history of the sail and the tweaks
made (to slowly) to save it are known by some, but certainly not you.
As usual, Doug, caught with your pants down again. None of this has
anything at all to do with my ability to get sails for a great price of
course. It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on. Your only
reply...and for some reason you MUST reply, is to call me a liar in the
face of what's obviously true. The boats I broker are on yachtworld and
when they sell I do the sea trials and even short range deliveries.
What's the big deal? I sure don't see you offering anyone ANYTHING
here...not sails, cheap transient space...nada. All you do is whine and
cry over my posts and talk crap about your old sailing days.
And as for your comment about family run lofts...what business is that
of yours?

Two people here are now aboard and will save about 1000.00 on a main
and chute, Doug. We all know YOU don't need any sails.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug, you're full of crap as usual.

Then how come you can't answer the question?

DSK

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Dogs are totally honest persons. You can't compare them to people persons.
:-)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Labor is the biggest single cost.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs

Ah, I see. Get your kids to build the sails for free. Nice.



Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination

Guess all you like. What I know, or don't know, about lawsuits is not an
answer to the question about how 3DL sails are "tweaked."


You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all?

I'm a "powerboater" with more time under sail than you'll ever have. My
dog knows more about sailing that you, plus he's a lot more honest.

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud exposed here,
then quit posting.

DSK

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Capt. JG wrote:
Dogs are totally honest persons. You can't compare them to people persons.
:-)


Sure you can. It's just that people suffer by comparison.

Dogs are brave, loyal, honest, and you can absolutely trust
them with anything except your ham sandwich.

Plus if have the right dog, they will eagerly jump into cold
water to fetch anything you might have dropped overboard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
Waste ratios for
various materials, which governs production costs? How about standard
sails tweaked into exotica and then poorly made, such as the 3DL from
North?

How is a 3DL sail manufactured, and how do you "tweak" it after it's
been made?

Cheers
Marty

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Then how come you can't answer the question?


Which one, Doug...you want me to list the efforts by North to fix the
3DL over the years, tweak after tweak? Google it...you'll read plenty.
If I post it you'll just say I googled it anyway!
C'mon, dude. Everytime you try to kick me, your Earth-Shoe flies off,
bounces off the wall and ends up halfway down your throat.


RB
35s5
NY

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How is a 3DL sail manufactured, and how do you "tweak" it after it's
been made?



You don't. You throw it away after it's been made...and soon!



RB
35s5
NY

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My cousin had a great dane when he was growing up. Those days, playing on
the front lawn was normal behavior and the dog sat around without a leash on
the porch. Whenever a stranger would walk by, the dog would very leisurely
get up and move closer to my cousin, and lie down, putting himself between
the person and my cousin. When the "threat" was over, it would get up and
slowly walk back to the porch. Did that with all the kids.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. JG wrote:
Dogs are totally honest persons. You can't compare them to people
persons. :-)


Sure you can. It's just that people suffer by comparison.

Dogs are brave, loyal, honest, and you can absolutely trust them with
anything except your ham sandwich.

Plus if have the right dog, they will eagerly jump into cold water to
fetch anything you might have dropped overboard.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message


Here's where to learn about sails, from somebody whose main actually
reaches full hoist


A most brilliant pun.

Thanks to ASA....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.


Doug, you're full of crap as usual.
The 3DL design via molds is old news. You can go to the website if you
want to learn about it. The horrible history of the sail and the tweaks
made (to slowly) to save it are known by some, but certainly not you.

Liar!

http://na.northsails.com/Racing_Sails/3DLHistory.htm

Sooper dooper liar!

http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/Cube...20Overview.pdf

Double-secret liar!!!!

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/innerv...02/whidden.htm


As usual, Doug, caught with your pants down again.

Is RB hoping?

None of this has
anything at all to do with my ability to get sails for a great price of
course.

What does?

It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on.

I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat yard.

Your only
reply...and for some reason you MUST reply, is to call me a liar in the
face of what's obviously true.

It is true that you are a liar. A big liar!


The boats I broker are on yachtworld and
when they sell I do the sea trials and even short range deliveries.

Prove it!


What's the big deal? I sure don't see you offering anyone ANYTHING
here...not sails, cheap transient space...nada.

I've seen pictures of him sailing with other ASA members. Where are your
pictures like that?


All you do is whine and
cry over my posts and talk crap about your old sailing days.

Who is whining and crying now?

And as for your comment about family run lofts...what business is that
of yours?

Sore point! Sore point! Some South Carolina family is about to be ruined by
associating with RB! Just wait and see!!!!



Two people here are now aboard and will save about 1000.00 on a main
and chute, Doug.

And if there are more than two defects per sail, the entire boat gets
replaced? Why should anyone invest in believing you? What is there to gain?


We all know YOU don't need any sails.

And you said you didn't either when you bought your boat last year. Now you
do - you are a liar!!!!!

Thanks to ASA....
 

"DSK" wrote
Labor is the biggest single cost.

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs

Ah, I see. Get your kids to build the sails for free. Nice.

Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination

Guess all you like. What I know, or don't know, about lawsuits is not an
answer to the question about how 3DL sails are "tweaked."


You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all?

I'm a "powerboater" with more time under sail than you'll ever have. My
dog knows more about sailing that you, plus he's a lot more honest.

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud exposed here,
then quit posting.

DSK

I'd like to hear Swabbie's answer to Doug's questions. What
is the answer Swabbie?

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"Gilligan" wrote

I've seen pictures of him sailing with other ASA members. Where are your
pictures like that?

I don't think Swabbie really has a boat. Somehow he managed to
get some pictures taken on someone elses boat.

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"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on.

I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !

Thanks to ASA....
 

Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn flakes before
putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is as crispy does...

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:

How is a 3DL sail manufactured, and how do you "tweak" it after it's
been made?

You don't. You throw it away after it's been made...and soon!

Excellent answer, it makes everything perfectly clear, need I say more?

Cheers
Marty

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"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...

Did you get my chicken recipe?

Seahag

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a
boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...

Did you get my chicken recipe?

The Haitian Chicken? That was great!
The only thing that would improve it is to add a few tomatoe
slices.;)

Scotty

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Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...

Did you get my chicken recipe?

Seahag


Yes, I sis! Will make it at the next opportunity! Scotty said it was
good...

Thanks to ASA....
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a
boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...

Did you get my chicken recipe?

The Haitian Chicken? That was great!
The only thing that would improve it is to add a few tomatoe
slices.;)

Ha! I molded the chicken outta tomatoes...you never even guessed!

Seahag

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"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...

Did you get my chicken recipe?


Yes, I sis! Will make it at the next opportunity! Scotty said it was
good...

Not on a par with your Szechwan Crispy Monkey but tasty. Better the second
day.

Seahag

Thanks to ASA....
 

Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote:
Scotty wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote:
It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it
irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so
on.
I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !


Yes...you powder the monkey with flour or crushed corn
flakes before putting them in the deep fryer...crispy is
as crispy does...
Did you get my chicken recipe?


Yes, I sis! Will make it at the next opportunity! Scotty said it was
good...

Not on a par with your Szechwan Crispy Monkey but tasty. Better the second
day.

Seahag




I made beef burgundy tonight...had a heck of a time getting the cork out
of the wine bottle..I think when they waxed it some of the wax must have
dripped inside the neck or something...(was actually beef pinot
noir..since that's the only red wine I had around...)

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Seahag wrote:

Yes, I sis! Will make it at the next opportunity!
Scotty said it was
good...

Not on a par with your Szechwan Crispy Monkey but tasty.
Better the second
day.
I made beef burgundy tonight...had a heck of a time
getting the cork out of the wine bottle..I think when they
waxed it some of the wax must have dripped inside the neck
or something...(was actually beef pinot noir..since that's
the only red wine I had around...)

I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not getting
burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer cake!

Seahag

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Seahag wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Seahag wrote:
Yes, I sis! Will make it at the next opportunity!
Scotty said it was
good...
Not on a par with your Szechwan Crispy Monkey but tasty.
Better the second
day.
I made beef burgundy tonight...had a heck of a time
getting the cork out of the wine bottle..I think when they
waxed it some of the wax must have dripped inside the neck
or something...(was actually beef pinot noir..since that's
the only red wine I had around...)

I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not getting
burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer cake!

Seahag


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!

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"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not
getting burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer cake!


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!

Yep! I have a 10lb. Butterball in the freezer already!

Seahag

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The
heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not
getting burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer cake!


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!


rue key?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The
heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not
getting burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer
cake!


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!


rue key?


Oh wait! I've got it. turkey !

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven. The
heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not
getting burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer
cake!


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!


rue key?


Oh wait! I've got it. turkey !

And how many eyars have you been reading Katytype?

Seahag

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
I use beer if I don't have wine handy.
I've been baking dog biscuits in the new oven.
The
heat
dispersement system is vastly improved and I'm not
getting burnt stuff anymore. I even made a layer
cake!


Will be a better Thanksgiving rue key this eyar!


rue key?


Oh wait! I've got it. turkey !

And how many eyars have you been reading Katytype?


Too many, my eyes are crossed.