"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Nice going Scout,

How much of a job is it? When I had the "Venture" on the trailer,
raising & setting the main, Launching the boat and securing it to the
slip, driving the car and trailer to the parking lot, Hooking up the
Boom and setting the sails up; I was ready for a nap rather than a sail.

That would all change the minute the sails started :drawing and the
motor was shut off. It did get to be a PITA though, an the slip was a
welcome addition.

Looks good Scout. Happy Sails!!

Thanks Thom,
It wasn't bad at all really, once I got a feel for it. I had no help raising
it yesterday. With help, it'd be a snap. Still, I have a slip lined up for
April 1. I like riding the motorcycle to the boat and spending time on the
water without an Olympic sized workout.
Scout

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Scout wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
dfreenews.net...

"Scout" wrote
| the mast, she is raised!
| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/281...97509592kFvzbv


What's that skinny thing on the back of the mast on top? How come
the
stay doesn't
bend it down? It looks like it's connected right on the very end of
it.....

For some reason they extended the back stay attachment. I guess it keeps
the
stay out of the path of the mainsail. My Starwind's mainsail would get
hung
up in the backstay from time to time. Maybe this is their answer to the
same
problem?
Scout

You've got to admit that it does look a bit strange.

Sure does Jon - this reinforces why I hang here in asa. I appreciate the
critical eyes of this group.
And I'm always impressed by how much detail folks here glean from text and
pics, even when they come from my crappy cell phone camera!

I try to work with bad news when it's true - truth is better known than
hidden from!
Scout

Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Describe one rigging change you made to your boat that
made you life easier. [1 pt]

I installed one line reefing systems for the main and mizzen. Guess
they just tied thru the reefing points before. Just rigged up a single
line with side mounted blocks, one for both points on the mizzen.. and
3 on the main. Makes reefing down quick and easy.

Did you use any block? I find sigle line reefing adds too much
friction. I've ripped a few bails and things out because of friction.
I've though a few properly placed low friction blocks would be a
big help.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
Scout wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
"Scout" wrote
| the mast, she is raised!
| http://sports.webshots.com/photo/281...97509592kFvzbv


What's that skinny thing on the back of the mast on top? How come the
stay doesn't
bend it down? It looks like it's connected right on the very end of
it.....
For some reason they extended the back stay attachment. I guess it keeps the
stay out of the path of the mainsail. My Starwind's mainsail would get hung
up in the backstay from time to time. Maybe this is their answer to the same
problem?
Scout

You've got to admit that it does look a bit strange.


Back when we were still at Muskegon Yacht Club, I noticed that the
Melges 24's all had that and so I asked one of the guys why...he said
that it kept the main from hanging up on fast tacks when racing...
http://www.melges.com/24melges.html

Scout wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Nice going Scout,

How much of a job is it? When I had the "Venture" on the trailer,
raising & setting the main, Launching the boat and securing it to the
slip, driving the car and trailer to the parking lot, Hooking up the
Boom and setting the sails up; I was ready for a nap rather than a sail.

That would all change the minute the sails started :drawing and the
motor was shut off. It did get to be a PITA though, an the slip was a
welcome addition.

Looks good Scout. Happy Sails!!

Thanks Thom,
It wasn't bad at all really, once I got a feel for it. I had no help raising
it yesterday. With help, it'd be a snap. Still, I have a slip lined up for
April 1. I like riding the motorcycle to the boat and spending time on the
water without an Olympic sized workout.
Scout


But think, you have the best of both worlds...you have a boat that can
be slipped but if you want to go somewhere, you can load her up and
travel to a new destination.

Bart wrote:
Walt wrote:
Bart wrote:

Describe one rigging change you made to your boat that
made you life easier. [1 pt]

Jib halyard led back to the cockpit with 12-1 purchase. I can fine
tune it myself while hiked out flat, instead of having my crew come
into the boat and adjust it (incorrectly).

Same thing with the vang, but 16-1. Since I tweak the halyard more
often, it wins by a nose.

What kind of boat do you have Walt? Do you have any pictures?

Here are some from about a year ago. Me and 100 of my closest friends.
I'm in there somewhere if you know where to look.

http://www.albacore.ca/2005canadians/pics1.html

//Walt

Walt wrote:
Here are some from about a year ago. Me and 100 of my closest friends.
I'm in there somewhere if you know where to look.

http://www.albacore.ca/2005canadians/pics1.html


Wow that looks like fun, Walt!

There are some fleets of Albacores racing on the Chesapeake,
we've gotten mixed in with them. They look like fun boats if
you don't insist on a spinnaker...

One thing I noticed about the racing pics, in most of them
there are big differences in vang tension. Do you play the
vang off the wind? In most boats, especially in waves, the
vang is a throttle all unto itself.

Fresh BReezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Walt wrote:

Here are some from about a year ago. Me and 100 of my closest friends.
I'm in there somewhere if you know where to look.

http://www.albacore.ca/2005canadians/pics1.html

Wow that looks like fun, Walt!

There are some fleets of Albacores racing on the Chesapeake, we've
gotten mixed in with them. They look like fun boats if you don't insist
on a spinnaker...

Well, actually you can put a spinaker on them, it's just not class legal
for racing. I've been thinking about hoisting a kite just for fun one of
these days. There are some old 470 kites hanging around the boathouse
that should work acceptably well.


One thing I noticed about the racing pics, in most of them there are big
differences in vang tension. Do you play the vang off the wind? In most
boats, especially in waves, the vang is a throttle all unto itself.

Yes, optimal speed off the wind is obtained by playing the vang . The
better teams sail with the crew holding the jib sheet in one hand and
the vang in the other. I'm not on one of the better teams, but I do try
to play it somewhat. Although, mostly my strategy in the planing
reaches is along the lines of "hang on tight and try to remember to
breathe."

The 16-vang is de-rigeure these days, and you have to be able to adjust
it without moving in from the rail.

//Walt

Walt wrote:
Well, actually you can put a spinaker on them, it's just not class legal
for racing. I've been thinking about hoisting a kite just for fun one of
these days. There are some old 470 kites hanging around the boathouse
that should work acceptably well.


Yes, if the hoist is in the right ballpark that would be
idea. 470 spin'r's are small & flat, idea for power
reaching. You can put the hardware on strops, that will be
easier to remove & lighter for class racing than adding a
bunch of eyelets where you won't want them later.



Yes, optimal speed off the wind is obtained by playing the vang . The
better teams sail with the crew holding the jib sheet in one hand and
the vang in the other.

It affects the rudder quite a bit too, more upwind &
reaching than downwind (unless you start death-rolling, then
you want to vang in hard and keep the boom tip from digging in).


I'm not on one of the better teams, but I do try
to play it somewhat.

Get alongside one of the hotshots, & do what they do. If you
watch the 2nd batten (from the top) you'll be able to see
what they're doing with the vang out of the corner of your
eye. You should be able to feel why it's right in the helm
and in the seat of the pants.

Keelboat sailors refuse to understand this last bit, they
think looking at a knotmeter makes you go fast (shakes head).


..... Although, mostly my strategy in the planing
reaches is along the lines of "hang on tight and try to remember to
breathe."



Yelling "YEEE-HAA-AAA-AAWWW!!" helps with the breathing.


The 16-vang is de-rigeure these days, and you have to be able to adjust
it without moving in from the rail.


That's a lot of purchase! I had a 12:1 on the Lightning at
the aft controls, 6:1 at the forward (it was 4-ended so the
fwd crew could blow it in a spinnaker broach). If it runs
really smooth.... modern technology is wonderful... then it
gives a very fine range of adjustment.

The problem is that you end up with a loose tail underfoot
which then gets sucked into the Elvstrom bailer.

The really top crews are the guys who, when approaching the
leeward mark, can gybe cleanly & get into the right lane &
get the board down & close up the bailers & pull the outhaul
to "on" & roll the boat into a turn & miss the other boat by
inches & remember main first & and decide whether to tack or
cover as they exit... all smooth & quiet. Whoever said
sailboat racing was boring simply had no clue what all was
going on!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

Walt wrote:


Keelboat sailors refuse to understand this last bit, they think looking
at a knotmeter makes you go fast (shakes head).

I've done some big boat racing, and the process of tweak something -
look at the gps, tweak it again, look at the gps is somehow unsatisfying...


..... Although, mostly my strategy in the planing reaches is along the
lines of "hang on tight and try to remember to breathe."

Yelling "YEEE-HAA-AAA-AAWWW!!" helps with the breathing.

Huh. So it helps to sail like you're Howard Dean? I'll keep that in
mind next time.

The 16-vang is de-rigeure these days, and you have to be able to
adjust it without moving in from the rail.

That's a lot of purchase!

The new Laser vang is 15 to 1. More and more classes are understanding
the value of a powerful vang. Of course, all that force can break the
gooseneck if you forget to ease it when you bear off...

The problem is that you end up with a loose tail underfoot which then
gets sucked into the Elvstrom bailer.

Solution: continuous controls. The top boats have continuous vang and
halyard control lines. No tails, the slack is taken up with shockcord
and kept out of the way. Mine aren't continuous (yet).


The really top crews are the guys who, when approaching the leeward
mark, can gybe cleanly & get into the right lane & get the board down &
close up the bailers & pull the outhaul to "on" & roll the boat into a
turn & miss the other boat by inches & remember main first & and decide
whether to tack or cover as they exit... all smooth & quiet. Whoever
said sailboat racing was boring simply had no clue what all was going on!

The top boats come roaring down the starting line planing on a port tack
with 40 seconds to go before the start, find themselves a gap, roll tack
the boat to a dead stop inches to leeward of the next boat, and then
foot off into the gap to accelerate into the front row. It's quite the
sight.

The good teams are really "one" with the boat. It's like they're
wearing it, rather than riding in it.

//Walt
//
//Small boats and cold water - no better way to learn.