Our New Sails....on the way!
 

With a few weeks of sailing left I'm really excited to try the new
sails. I bought them used. They have one full season on them and I have
a money back guarantee from my loft that they'll rate 9 out of 10 and
essentially be new. I've saved thousands of dollars in the process, but
I'll be adding a new lazy jack system instead of a Stackpack as
originally planned.
These are the EXACT sails.

http://www.somersetsails.com/sails/Beneteau_35S5.jpg

Main and genny are like new. I've had the 135 cut down to 115%. The
original owner is selling his boat for a smaller racer, and then traded
the nearly new kevlar/mylar sails for credit on his next boat's sails.
The loft gave me his # and he said the sails were great, but he didn't
want to give them away with the boat. I consulted my local loft on
these and they said I'd be crazy to not buy them at the price I was
getting. I also spoke to my local racing buddies and of course they
were all thumbs up on the deal. Since I have the MB guarantee I feel
pretty excited about it! I paid 1200.00 plus trading in a J35 Kevlar
used genny I was about to sell on ebay. The loft made adjustments and
threw in a lazyjack system that normally costs 300.00. Since I paid
nothing for the J35 sail I did rather well to say the least. The cool
thing is that I sailed a J34c before buying the 35s5 and she had these
sails...and they were awesome! 1200 bucks for these sails and lazy
jacks is quite a deal. My luck on boats and gear seems to be always in.
Since we don't race and we're not terribly hard on sails, they should
last a while and be a lot of fun. Old Thom doesn't like the look of
such modern sails, but I love them and think they look great with more
modern designs.
I'll post pics and additional info when the sails get here! The main
ships today and the genny on Thursday.
That's the news!


RB
35s5
NY

Our Used Sails....on the way!
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

Nice looking sails Rob.

Joe


With a few weeks of sailing left I'm really excited to try the new
sails. I bought them used. They have one full season on them and I have
a money back guarantee from my loft that they'll rate 9 out of 10 and
essentially be new. I've saved thousands of dollars in the process, but
I'll be adding a new lazy jack system instead of a Stackpack as
originally planned.
These are the EXACT sails.

http://www.somersetsails.com/sails/Beneteau_35S5.jpg

Main and genny are like new. I've had the 135 cut down to 115%. The
original owner is selling his boat for a smaller racer, and then traded
the nearly new kevlar/mylar sails for credit on his next boat's sails.
The loft gave me his # and he said the sails were great, but he didn't
want to give them away with the boat. I consulted my local loft on
these and they said I'd be crazy to not buy them at the price I was
getting. I also spoke to my local racing buddies and of course they
were all thumbs up on the deal. Since I have the MB guarantee I feel
pretty excited about it! I paid 1200.00 plus trading in a J35 Kevlar
used genny I was about to sell on ebay. The loft made adjustments and
threw in a lazyjack system that normally costs 300.00. Since I paid
nothing for the J35 sail I did rather well to say the least. The cool
thing is that I sailed a J34c before buying the 35s5 and she had these
sails...and they were awesome! 1200 bucks for these sails and lazy
jacks is quite a deal. My luck on boats and gear seems to be always in.
Since we don't race and we're not terribly hard on sails, they should
last a while and be a lot of fun. Old Thom doesn't like the look of
such modern sails, but I love them and think they look great with more
modern designs.
I'll post pics and additional info when the sails get here! The main
ships today and the genny on Thursday.
That's the news!


RB
35s5
NY

Our new-to-us Sails....on the way!
 

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Nice looking sails Rob.





Thanks, Joe. I can't wait to get them up....even if the season is
nearly over.


RB

Our new-to-us Sails....on the way!
 

These are the EXACT sails.

It's obvious why somebody got rid of them. The main is about a foot
too small on the hoist.

35s5: used sails are good enough for the back of the pack

Our new-to-us Sails....on the way!
 

Ringmaster wrote:
These are the EXACT sails.

It's obvious why somebody got rid of them. The main is about a foot
too small on the hoist.




Everyone knew pics of my nice sails would ram a nail right through
Sloco's head and into his ancient and ugly boat! Took about 4 seconds
to find pics of the 35s5 rig....

http://home.att.net/~captnerdo/images/Footloos.gif

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/35s5spin.jpg

Oops! Looks like they all look the same as the shot with my Kevlar
main! Sloco sure knows his boats!



RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

You have bought a BLACK mainsail??

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
With a few weeks of sailing left I'm really excited to try the new
sails. I bought them used. They have one full season on them and I have
a money back guarantee from my loft that they'll rate 9 out of 10 and
essentially be new. I've saved thousands of dollars in the process, but
I'll be adding a new lazy jack system instead of a Stackpack as
originally planned.
These are the EXACT sails.

http://www.somersetsails.com/sails/Beneteau_35S5.jpg

Main and genny are like new. I've had the 135 cut down to 115%. The
original owner is selling his boat for a smaller racer, and then traded
the nearly new kevlar/mylar sails for credit on his next boat's sails.
The loft gave me his # and he said the sails were great, but he didn't
want to give them away with the boat. I consulted my local loft on
these and they said I'd be crazy to not buy them at the price I was
getting. I also spoke to my local racing buddies and of course they
were all thumbs up on the deal. Since I have the MB guarantee I feel
pretty excited about it! I paid 1200.00 plus trading in a J35 Kevlar
used genny I was about to sell on ebay. The loft made adjustments and
threw in a lazyjack system that normally costs 300.00. Since I paid
nothing for the J35 sail I did rather well to say the least. The cool
thing is that I sailed a J34c before buying the 35s5 and she had these
sails...and they were awesome! 1200 bucks for these sails and lazy
jacks is quite a deal. My luck on boats and gear seems to be always in.
Since we don't race and we're not terribly hard on sails, they should
last a while and be a lot of fun. Old Thom doesn't like the look of
such modern sails, but I love them and think they look great with more
modern designs.
I'll post pics and additional info when the sails get here! The main
ships today and the genny on Thursday.
That's the news!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Edgar wrote:
You have bought a BLACK mainsail??



It's more of a smoked look. It's AKS 18 from Contender (Aramide
(Kevlar) fibre), which is 5.5 ounce for boats to 15000 lbs. The
Pentax-Mylar jib is 4.9oz Pentax sandwiched in Mylar film with
superlight White UV cover, and somewhat lighter in color. Of course
these are sails well beyond any of my needs, but they will also be fun
and have some longevity for our light sailing...and the price is
fantastic since I was able to trade a sail I couldn't use for anything.

RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Boob****, I don't know why you posted additional pictures along with
your crying. You stated the first pictures were "the exact sails" and
they were about a foot shy of full hoist. Are you going to tell us the
black band is in the wrong place? The sailmaker ****ed
up..........sorry and that's why somebody got you to buy them. Did you
hoist them before you paid? Sucker.

35s5 POS

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Edgar wrote:
You have bought a BLACK mainsail??



It's more of a smoked look. It's AKS 18 from Contender (Aramide
(Kevlar) fibre), which is 5.5 ounce for boats to 15000 lbs. The
Pentax-Mylar jib is 4.9oz Pentax sandwiched in Mylar film with
superlight White UV cover, and somewhat lighter in color. Of course
these are sails well beyond any of my needs, but they will also be fun
and have some longevity for our light sailing...and the price is
fantastic since I was able to trade a sail I couldn't use for anything.

Well, you may well do some 'light' sailing but I
suspect that the longevity of your sails is more likely to be determined by
the number of hours you expose them to UV rays in sunlight-especially the
black-or near-black- one. You would have done better to get a set of white
conventional sails.
Longevity is the last thing people who buy Kevlar sails are interested in

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Ringmaster wrote:
Boob****, I don't know why you posted additional pictures along with
your crying. You stated the first pictures were "the exact sails" and
they were about a foot shy of full hoist.



Wow! Look how bitter and ****ed off you are! You're still saying the
hoist is short after I posted pics showing the exact same hoist on two
more 35s5's??? Oh boy...don't let photos sway you...they must ALL be
short on the hoist! And it's the same on mine.
You must be really stewing!!! Face it, slowco. I have the faster newer
nicer boat and have sails nicer as well. The main is sitting right here
and you'll crap a school bus when you see the pics!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

suspect that the longevity of your sails is more likely to be
determined by
the number of hours you expose them to UV rays in sunlight-especially
the
black-or near-black- one. You would have done better to get a set of
white
conventional sails.


They look more black than they are. In any case I spoke to quite a few
people about these sails before buying. Folks that we work with at UK
and Doyle both agreed that the Kevlar main dies a final death sooner
than a dacron sail. But they also felt that the Kevlar held most of
it's shape for longer. I can attest to this since the J29 I sail on has
a Kevlar main and it's 5 years old and still in pretty good shape. Of
course a Dacron sail can last 20 years, but how much shape is left at
that point? Also keep in mind that these are tri-radial. For 1200 bucks
and a lazy jacks system thrown in, it's an amazing deal.
Even if I owned a good set of dacron sails I would not have passed
these up!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Edgar wrote:
Well, you may well do some 'light' sailing but I
suspect that the longevity of your sails is more likely to be determined by
the number of hours you expose them to UV rays in sunlight-especially the
black-or near-black- one.

Yep. Flogging is also harder on them than on conventional
Dacron.

Longevity is the last thing people who buy Kevlar sails are interested in


Depends on how you define "longevity." Kevlar and other
hi-tech material sails don't last longer overall, but they
hold their shape longer. Thus they have greater competitive
longevity.

A set of fancy racing sails should be fitted to the rig,
taking into such accounts as pre-bend, inducable bend (ie
how far the mast bends when you haul the backstay on as
tight as you can), for headsails the halyard tension and
deck configuration of sheet leads is paramount. Without some
time spent by a sailmaker on board your vessel (or an
identical sistership), buying hi-tech sails is pretty much a
waste of money.

For one-design boats, obviously this is an easy hoop to get
thru. For high production racer-cruisers, it's usually
pretty easy but you have to know the class standards of how
your rig is set up & whether your boat is still nice & stiff
& if there have been any changes in the standard deck
lay-out. Such things as putting different locks & halyard
winches on can make a difference, especially with a frac rig.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Depends on how you define "longevity." Kevlar and other
hi-tech material sails don't last longer overall, but they
hold their shape longer. Thus they have greater competitive
longevity.


Doug once again repeats what I've already said.

Without some
time spent by a sailmaker on board your vessel (or an
identical sistership), buying hi-tech sails is pretty much a
waste of money.

Of course. These came off the exact same boat and I even spoke to the
original owner about it. The only difference in his rig is that he
improved his backstay adjustment, but he did this after the sails were
cut.
The main is here and looks NEW. Waiting for the genoa now!

And I can't wait to go sailing with these sails!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Yep. Flogging is also harder on them than on conventional
Dacron.



Which is why this is a full batten main.



RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

You're still saying the hoist is short after I posted pics showing
the exact same hoist on two more 35s5's??? Oh boy...don't let photos
sway you...they must ALL be short on the hoist! And it's the same on
mine.

Boobster, the photos you posted show the main at least a foot short on
the hoist, period. That is unless you are going to tell us somebody
put the black band in the wrong place on both boats. Highly unlikely.
You paid exactly what those sails are worth to a knowledgable
person..........Half price.

35s5 bringing up the rear

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Boobster, the photos you posted show the main at least a foot short on
the hoist, period.


Just ignore the photos, Sloco!
Do you know WHY the hoist ends where it does???? There's a specific
reason. Hmmmm.....could it be due to the backstay???!!!!
Look again, dopey! We already measured the hoist when the sail came as
we are also adding batcars.
Have a look at Footloose, Sloco....or don't!!!!

http://home.att.net/~captnerdo/images/Footloos.gif

Lord, you must be DYING that I've got these sails!!!! BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
At least you're not too ashamed to show it!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Boobster, the photos you posted show the main at least a foot short on
the hoist, period.


Yup....and I posted 3 pics showing the same hoist point....and mine is
the same. So you're maintaining that the hoist is short on ALL 4 BOATS,
right???

You SURE know boats, Sloco!



RB
35s5
NY

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 03:15:30 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Boobster, the photos you posted show the main at least a foot short on
the hoist, period.


Just ignore the photos, Sloco!
Do you know WHY the hoist ends where it does???? There's a specific
reason. Hmmmm.....could it be due to the backstay???!!!!
Look again, dopey! We already measured the hoist when the sail came as
we are also adding batcars.
Have a look at Footloose, Sloco....or don't!!!!

http://home.att.net/~captnerdo/images/Footloos.gif

Lord, you must be DYING that I've got these sails!!!! BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
At least you're not too ashamed to show it!


RB
35s5
NY

Maybe Sloco could use your old sails to re-upholster the interior of his boat. I
know he's been shopping for fabric! The mildew would blend right in.

CWM

There's an industry in used sails being made into bafs, jackets, and
other sialing paraphenalia...maybe he could start a second business...we
should all donate any old spinnakers to him...

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Boobster, the photos you posted show the main at least a foot short on
the hoist, period.

Just ignore the photos, Sloco!
Do you know WHY the hoist ends where it does???? There's a specific
reason. Hmmmm.....could it be due to the backstay???!!!!

Huh? Could explain just what the backstay has to do with the length of
the luff?

Cheers
Marty

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Huh? Could explain just what the backstay has to do with the length of

the luff?


Martin, the headboard has to able to clear the backstay at the top of
the mast. My headboard cannot go to the very top of the groove because
it would foul the backstay. My Kevlar main has a bit more roach than a
standard main, so she'll actually have more Sq. feet than the standard.
Got it? I posted 4 photos so far showing the true hoist, which is about
a foot or so below the top of the mast. Sloco actually (see his posts)
that ALL of these boats have mains with the wrong hoist. I have the
original Beneteau main in my sail-locker and the hoist is the same as
the Kevlar sail.
Like I said, Sloco sure knows boats! If he had quickly googled up a few
pics he would have spotted his mistake. Now I get to blast him for it
forever!


RB
35s5
NY

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Yup....and I posted 3 pics showing the same hoist point....and mine is
the same. So you're maintaining that the hoist is short on ALL 4 BOATS,
right???

It's an indicator that every 35s5 owner may require Viagra to get their
"Hoist" up all the way.

Next we'll have Bobsprit posting about his "Ultra Thin, Ribbed" sails... for
"her" pleasure.

CM-

Our New Sails....on the way!
 

Next we'll have Bobsprit posting about his "Ultra Thin, Ribbed"
sails... for
"her" pleasure.


No, but the Harken Battcars slide easily....for her pleasure!


RB
35s5
NY

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Huh? Could explain just what the backstay has to do with the length of

the luff?

Martin, the headboard has to able to clear the backstay at the top of
the mast. My headboard cannot go to the very top of the groove because
it would foul the backstay. My Kevlar main has a bit more roach than a
standard main, so she'll actually have more Sq. feet than the standard.

If I understand this, you mean that if you hoisted the main originally
supplied by Benny, then the headboard would hoist to the black band on
the mast? No main hoists to "very top" of the groove, that I know of,
which is why that black band is on the mast, manufacturers take the
headboard/roach/backstay into account when they put that band there.

Cheers
Marty

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Huh? Could explain just what the backstay has to do with the length of
the luff?



"Capt" Rob wrote:
Martin, the headboard has to able to clear the backstay at the top of
the mast.

That's why there's a little piece of metal sticking out of
the back of the mast at the top, to fasten the backstay to.

In fact it is so well known (by people that sail in the real
world, as opposed to the Matrix) that Hall Spars features it
on their logo
http://www.hallspars.com/Nav_Images/btnLogo.gif

This is called the 'crane' and any headboard should easily
clear it.

Modern boats with a lot of roach often carry a springy piece
of fiberglass across the top of the mast to 'pluck' the
backstay out of the way when there is less tension on it.
http://www.vanvlietzeilen.nl/foto/melges24.jpg
http://www.northsailsod.com/class/me...-Marseille.jpg

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

My headboard cannot go to the very top of the groove because
it would foul the backstay. My Kevlar main has a bit more roach than a
standard main, so she'll actually have more Sq. feet than the standard.

Got it? I posted 4 photos so far showing the true hoist, which is about

a foot or so below the top of the mast. Sloco actually (see his posts)
that ALL of these boats have mains with the wrong hoist. I have the
original Beneteau main in my sail-locker and the hoist is the same as
the Kevlar sail.
Like I said, Sloco sure knows boats! If he had quickly googled up a few

pics he would have spotted his mistake. Now I get to blast him for it
forever!


RB

So what are you saying here Boobie ......... Beneteau designed the rig
and put the black band in a spot that required a main with a teeny
headboard and no roach? You sure can come up with some good ones.
Face it all the boats in the photos you posted have mains that were cut
too short. The black band is no where near the top of the mast groove.
It's easy to see in the photos that the designer DID leave room above
the black band for the headboard. Give it up dimwit you are the one
who's busted.

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Maybe Sloco could use your old sails to re-upholster the interior
of his boat. I know he's been shopping for fabric! The mildew would
blend right in.

Charles, I already did my new interior using Sunbrella furniture
fabric.

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

If I understand this, you mean that if you hoisted the main originally
supplied by Benny, then the headboard would hoist to the black band on
the mast? No main hoists to "very top" of the groove, that I know of,
which is why that black band is on the mast, manufacturers take the
headboard/roach/backstay into account when they put that band there.


Exactly! And this is why it's obvious that the sailmaker that made the
Boob's "deal" sails screwed up.

35s5 always at the back of the pack

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

So what are you saying here Boobie ......... Beneteau designed the rig
and put the black band


What a dope. My boat has TWO black bands. Better still I just posed a
pic showing a boat also with TWO. Different sails can have altered
hoists, especially when roach is added that needs to clear the
backstay. Cry all you want. I now have better boat, better sails and
better cars!


RB
35s5
NY

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

On Oct 13, 9:11*pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
So what are you saying here Boobie ......... Beneteau designed the rig
and put the black band

What a dope. My boat has TWO black bands. Better still I just posed a
pic showing a boat also with TWO. Different sails can have altered
hoists, especially when roach is added that needs to clear the
backstay. Cry all you want. I now have better boat, better sails and
better cars!

RB
35s5
NY

This has to be the most telling post ever. What boat has 2 black
bands near the top of the mast to indicate mainsail hoist? Does the
fact that you have 2 mean the Beneteau brochure lists 2 mainsail luff
measurements for this unusual yacht? Gee, what would you put on your
PHRF cert? How would a competitor know if your main was legal? What a
dope!

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

By the way it's obvious that the Boob doesn't know where full hoist of
a mainsail occurs and secondly he doesn't know the difference between
the masthead and the black band. What a dope.

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

This has to be the most telling post ever. What boat has 2 black
bands near the top of the mast to indicate mainsail hoist? Does the
fact that you have 2 mean the Beneteau brochure lists 2 mainsail luff
measurements for this unusual yacht?


Dude, you're totally BUSTED. Just like my boat this 35s5 photo shows
TWO black bands. Do think the bands and hoist are carved into the
mast??? BWAHAHAHAHHA!!!

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/35s5spin.jpg

Luff measurements can be changed to accomodate roach. The 35s5 with
this main was rated 126 for the kevlar and few extra sq feet afforded
by the roach.
You keep crying over facts that I prove with photos and it's a lot of
FUN!!! So far I've provided actual pics proving my point. But you just
stick to your blind little guns! The tape is the LAW!!! Sloco, you know
NOTHING about sails. You don't know that sails luff can be changed if
you want more roach!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA! Sooooo BUSTED!


RB
35s5
NY

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

ROFLOL....................... Hey dimwit, Those fuzzy photos don't show
2 black bands. They show 1 black band and the mast head crane/mast
extrusion joint. What an idiot!

Sloco busted AGAIN!
 

Ringmaster wrote:
ROFLOL....................... Hey dimwit, Those fuzzy photos don't show
2 black bands. They show 1 black band and the mast head crane/mast
extrusion joint. What an idiot!


Sloco, footloose has two black bands. I've spoken to the owner on the
Beneteau list. I have no such visible extrusion joint visible and will
prove it with a photo to further humiliate you!


RB
35s5
NY