"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Hey, give him a break... the boat was heeling ever so slightly.

It was "rough."

Max

Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.



As for PFD's, if Ganzy always wears them then
he's 100% gay.

Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's? You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.

Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.



As for PFD's, if Ganzy always wears them then
he's 100% gay.

Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's?

On;y the gay ones...

You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer

You can't swim if you've been knocked unconscious...

and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.

And if you are singlehanding or Terry is below napping and you go over
how are you going to reach them? EEspecially is your boat is toodling
along at 4-5 knots...you can swim that fast to catch up?

Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.



As for PFD's, if Ganzy always wears them then
he's 100% gay.

Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's?

On;y the gay ones...

You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer

You can't swim if you've been knocked unconscious...

Correct. Do not get knocked unconscious.

and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.

And if you are singlehanding or Terry is below napping and you go over
how are you going to reach them? EEspecially is your boat is toodling
along at 4-5 knots...you can swim that fast to catch up?

At sea.... just us... her sleeping.... I'd put on my inflateable vest
and harness in bad weather.

I can trim all sails from the cockpit, if I needed to reef the sails
then I'd wake her. We have a long bench with cusions in the wheelhouse,
Terry would be in the wheelhouse sleeping, not below sleeping. We have
worked as a team for many many years now, she has no problem skillfully
manning them helm at any time I request. We have a long long history of
covering each others back at sea and ashore.

Joe



Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.



As for PFD's, if Ganzy always wears them then
he's 100% gay.
Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's?
On;y the gay ones...

You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer
You can't swim if you've been knocked unconscious...

Correct. Do not get knocked unconscious.

and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.
And if you are singlehanding or Terry is below napping and you go over
how are you going to reach them? EEspecially is your boat is toodling
along at 4-5 knots...you can swim that fast to catch up?

At sea.... just us... her sleeping.... I'd put on my inflateable vest
and harness in bad weather.

I can trim all sails from the cockpit, if I needed to reef the sails
then I'd wake her. We have a long bench with cusions in the wheelhouse,
Terry would be in the wheelhouse sleeping, not below sleeping. We have
worked as a team for many many years now, she has no problem skillfully
manning them helm at any time I request. We have a long long history of
covering each others back at sea and ashore.

Joe


Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

That's good to hear. I am always concerned, though, when newbies read
posts in this forum and see that some experienced sailors eschew safety
procedures over comfort or sea conditions. While there is a factor that
experience is a safety factor in itself, there are those unforeseeable
situations when experience doesn't count at all. We've all read the
accounts of famous sailors who have gone to Davy Jones because they
weren't wearing a PFD and were swept overboard.

Joe would never be knocked unconscious. He's from Texas. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.

Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's?

On;y the gay ones...

You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer

You can't swim if you've been knocked unconscious...

and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.

And if you are singlehanding or Terry is below napping and you go over how
are you going to reach them? EEspecially is your boat is toodling along at
4-5 knots...you can swim that fast to catch up?

Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

I just bought a remote control for my autohelm. It's actually nice because
if I'm foward by myself, it's nice to be able make a course change without
hustling back to the wheel. I also have a tether/harness I use when single
handing and things start to get boisterous. I was joking with a friend when
we were checking out the remote control that if I fell off and had it with
me, I could turn the boat around and it could come back and get me. Of
course, there's no way to stop it if I had the engine on, but with just
sails I suppose I could head her up into the wind. Of course, the range on
the remote is only 100 feet (maybe), so I wouldn't have much time to
react... perhaps as I'm flying through the air. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Looks like a tiny cockpit. And, yet again, no PFDs.



As for PFD's, if Ganzy always wears them then
he's 100% gay.
Have you sailed SF Bay Rob? It's nothing like LIS.
I can understands Jon's endorsement of PFD's.
SF is more like the open ocean than any bay on earth. Wicked currents
and storms can blow in in a heartbeat, fog so thick you can not see
your hand, lots of big traffic, Rocky shores and cliffs, big
waves..ect. ect...

Something you might understand if you get a Captain licences like Jon
has. Safety of passengers is your number one concern all the time.

Do you provide your guest's with PFD's?
On;y the gay ones...

You can get some nice PFD's
these day that are comfy. I bought Terry a Sperry float coat. Myself I
usually do not wear a PFD, but Im a strong swimmer
You can't swim if you've been knocked unconscious...

Correct. Do not get knocked unconscious.

and do not want to
be restricted, Plus I make sure there are many PFD and such that will
float and I can find.
And if you are singlehanding or Terry is below napping and you go over
how are you going to reach them? EEspecially is your boat is toodling
along at 4-5 knots...you can swim that fast to catch up?

At sea.... just us... her sleeping.... I'd put on my inflateable vest
and harness in bad weather.

I can trim all sails from the cockpit, if I needed to reef the sails
then I'd wake her. We have a long bench with cusions in the wheelhouse,
Terry would be in the wheelhouse sleeping, not below sleeping. We have
worked as a team for many many years now, she has no problem skillfully
manning them helm at any time I request. We have a long long history of
covering each others back at sea and ashore.

Joe


Joe

No kids on board of course.



RB
35s5
NY

That's good to hear. I am always concerned, though, when newbies read
posts in this forum and see that some experienced sailors eschew safety
procedures over comfort or sea conditions. While there is a factor that
experience is a safety factor in itself, there are those unforeseeable
situations when experience doesn't count at all. We've all read the
accounts of famous sailors who have gone to Davy Jones because they
weren't wearing a PFD and were swept overboard.

katy wrote:


That's good to hear. I am always concerned, though, when newbies read
posts in this forum and see that some experienced sailors eschew safety
procedures over comfort or sea conditions.

I'm not eschewing safety at all. I figure if something happens I will
be more usefull in the water being able to swim and dive. Helping
people tangled below is a real factor on a sailboat. Comfort is not my
issue either. Float coats are very comfortable.

Mobility and not getting tangled up in stuff is my issue.

While there is a factor that
experience is a safety factor in itself, there are those unforeseeable
situations when experience doesn't count at all. We've all read the
accounts of famous sailors who have gone to Davy Jones because they
weren't wearing a PFD and were swept overboard.

Yelp, you wanna play the game you might have to pay the price. Best to
stay on the boat.

I can give an example of how not having a life jacket kept me alive.
I've told the story here before of being washed over in the gulf. Seas
at 11-15 ft and I went under the boat. Had I had a life jacket on when
the boat came down on me several times, I would have been hammered and
cut up worse by the bottom growth, since I did not I just flowed with
the action and was able to claw my way out from under the boat.

I would not endorse or suggest that anyone else follow my example, but
I'm not going to change my ways.

Joe

Joe wrote:
katy wrote:

That's good to hear. I am always concerned, though, when newbies read
posts in this forum and see that some experienced sailors eschew safety
procedures over comfort or sea conditions.

I'm not eschewing safety at all. I figure if something happens I will
be more usefull in the water being able to swim and dive. Helping
people tangled below is a real factor on a sailboat. Comfort is not my
issue either. Float coats are very comfortable.

Mobility and not getting tangled up in stuff is my issue.

While there is a factor that
experience is a safety factor in itself, there are those unforeseeable
situations when experience doesn't count at all. We've all read the
accounts of famous sailors who have gone to Davy Jones because they
weren't wearing a PFD and were swept overboard.

Yelp, you wanna play the game you might have to pay the price. Best to
stay on the boat.

I can give an example of how not having a life jacket kept me alive.
I've told the story here before of being washed over in the gulf. Seas
at 11-15 ft and I went under the boat. Had I had a life jacket on when
the boat came down on me several times, I would have been hammered and
cut up worse by the bottom growth, since I did not I just flowed with
the action and was able to claw my way out from under the boat.

I would not endorse or suggest that anyone else follow my example, but
I'm not going to change my ways.

Joe

Yet if you had on a harness and line you would not have been in that
situation. It's the same argument that people use about seatbelts.

katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
katy wrote:

That's good to hear. I am always concerned, though, when newbies read
posts in this forum and see that some experienced sailors eschew safety
procedures over comfort or sea conditions.

I'm not eschewing safety at all. I figure if something happens I will
be more usefull in the water being able to swim and dive. Helping
people tangled below is a real factor on a sailboat. Comfort is not my
issue either. Float coats are very comfortable.

Mobility and not getting tangled up in stuff is my issue.

While there is a factor that
experience is a safety factor in itself, there are those unforeseeable
situations when experience doesn't count at all. We've all read the
accounts of famous sailors who have gone to Davy Jones because they
weren't wearing a PFD and were swept overboard.

Yelp, you wanna play the game you might have to pay the price. Best to
stay on the boat.

I can give an example of how not having a life jacket kept me alive.
I've told the story here before of being washed over in the gulf. Seas
at 11-15 ft and I went under the boat. Had I had a life jacket on when
the boat came down on me several times, I would have been hammered and
cut up worse by the bottom growth, since I did not I just flowed with
the action and was able to claw my way out from under the boat.

I would not endorse or suggest that anyone else follow my example, but
I'm not going to change my ways.

Joe

Yet if you had on a harness and line you would not have been in that
situation. It's the same argument that people use about seatbelts.

Had I had a harness on, I'd been snapped at the harness like a twig, or
crushed by the deck cargo awash, and not able to do my job. Picture
standing on a steel beach, around you is 10X15 ft metal boxes that
wiegh in on average 2000 pounds. Now violently rock the beach 25 to 35
degrees, back and forth, then have a 15 ft solid wall of water hit you
and all the gear, breaking 3/8 chains everywhere and washing it to all
in one big slosh to stbd in 1/2 a second and tell me you want to be
harnessed in.

Joe