Hey, Bart
 

Video of Dutchman system, which, while promotional, will allow you to
see why it has some issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8EPk...elated&search=


RB
35s5
NY

Hey, Bart
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Video of Dutchman system, which, while promotional, will allow you to
see why it has some issues.

??? What issues? This video just shows how it works.
You are talking nonsense again. Please remember to
take your medication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8EPk...elated&search=

North Sails is the largest sail manufacturer
in the world. They think the Dutchman System is the
best sail flaking system and give supportable reasons
in a side-by side comparison. The winner is clear.

The link to the North Sails forum discusses the issues.
The issues listed at North Sails are minor compared to
what it does for you. They rate it the number one system
available. That is all I have to say on the subject.

Thanks for the video, and remember to take your meds,
it will help you control your urge to shove your unsupported
foot in you mouth.

Hey, Bart
 

North Sails is the largest sail manufacturer
in the world.



Do you think North will sell you a Doyle Stackpack?
Like I said. Ask people who used both systems and you'll have a clear
winner. Or search online for comparisons in forums. Stackpack is
prefered.


RB
35s5
NY

Hey, Bart
 

Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a few
flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly. I've used them
for years on several different boats. Never had a problem. Never had a
batten get caught in it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:
Video of Dutchman system, which, while promotional, will allow you to
see why it has some issues.

??? What issues? This video just shows how it works.
You are talking nonsense again. Please remember to
take your medication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8EPk...elated&search=

North Sails is the largest sail manufacturer
in the world. They think the Dutchman System is the
best sail flaking system and give supportable reasons
in a side-by side comparison. The winner is clear.

The link to the North Sails forum discusses the issues.
The issues listed at North Sails are minor compared to
what it does for you. They rate it the number one system
available. That is all I have to say on the subject.

Thanks for the video, and remember to take your meds,
it will help you control your urge to shove your unsupported
foot in you mouth.

Hey, Bart
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a few
flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly. I've used them
for years on several different boats. Never had a problem. Never had a
batten get caught in it.

We have Lazy Jacks...now...you want to talk about battens catching We
have to do maneuvers both raising and lowering the main so we don't
catch...better than nothing at all, though and having the main slide all
over the coachtop....

Hey, Bart
 

I never liked LJs after the first couple of times using them... better than
nothing, and they work if you know what you're dealing with. Stack packs are
nice, but I hate sailing around with all that fabric flapping in the breeze.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a few
flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly. I've used
them for years on several different boats. Never had a problem. Never had
a batten get caught in it.

We have Lazy Jacks...now...you want to talk about battens catching We
have to do maneuvers both raising and lowering the main so we don't
catch...better than nothing at all, though and having the main slide all
over the coachtop....

Hey, Bart
 

katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a
few flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly. I've
used them for years on several different boats. Never had a problem.
Never had a batten get caught in it.

We have Lazy Jacks...now...you want to talk about battens catching We
have to do maneuvers both raising and lowering the main so we don't
catch...better than nothing at all, though and having the main slide all
over the coachtop....
Why do you have the lazy jacks deployed while raising the main? On my
boat I stow them at the mast while raising the sail and while under way.
Then I deploy them just before I drop the sail. I haven't had it catch a
batten while dropping the sail (so far...).

--Alan

Hey, Bart
 

Alan Gomes wrote:
katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a
few flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly. I've
used them for years on several different boats. Never had a problem.
Never had a batten get caught in it.

We have Lazy Jacks...now...you want to talk about battens catching
We have to do maneuvers both raising and lowering the main so we don't
catch...better than nothing at all, though and having the main slide
all over the coachtop....
Why do you have the lazy jacks deployed while raising the main? On my
boat I stow them at the mast while raising the sail and while under way.
Then I deploy them just before I drop the sail. I haven't had it catch a
batten while dropping the sail (so far...).

--Alan
Vecause they are permanent...you cannot deploy and undeploy them without
having to unthread the whole thing and having to stand on the boom to
rethread back through the blocks. There is not enough line to draw the
whole thing back to the mast...and since out main is old, we've found
that pulling the system taut in some situations keeps the main from
bagging out...a consolation prize until we can afford a new main....

Hey, Bart
 

Total nonsense. The system is much better off the wind, and perhaps a
few
flicks of the wrist is needed to get it to flake perfectly.



I wonder if Ganzy has even used both systems. I notice no one can
dispute the points I made. Chafing is reported even by North. So is the
dirt problem. Read the forums and lots of folks cut the system down
when sails age. You STILL have to battle the sail cover on.
The Stackpack is superior.

I've given plenty of reasons why. Let's see some intelligent discussion
on it if you think otherwise. As I said...both are excellent. The Doyle
system is just easier and neater. In fact, when the Stackpack is
reefed, there's no sail material hanging out. Very nice indeed.
Dutchman has licensed it's system and Doyle has not, so you see more of
the Dutchman system.



RB
35s5
NY

Hey, Bart
 

Katy,

Lazy Jacks and Batten fouling. It sure does! I did correct it somewhat
by attaching the "Jacks" to the boom with clips so that I could secure
the the whole system at the mast during Main Sail hoisting.

I preferred the jacks to the the "Dutchman" because of changing the
Mains on Race Nights. A lite air main was awful nice on drifter nights
but you had to get them off fast if the wind pick up.

Katy, you can correct the batten fouling with two bungy cords at the
:goose neck so that as you release tension on your jacks they will be
automatically be drawn forward.

By the way; You can see your "Cat" in the third attachment in the
signature.


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