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Force 5 stove report
Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now.
What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
Force 5 stove report
Joe wrote:
Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Sounds very good. Is it a 3-burner or 4? How big is the oven and how well does the thermostat on it work? Most people don't use their oven but we like bisquits (easy to make) and pies (a bit more of a challenge) and while I have learned to make beer bread in a pressure cooker, I have not yet figured out how to make sweet potato pie in a pressure cooker. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Force 5 stove report
DSK wrote: Joe wrote: Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Sounds very good. Is it a 3-burner or 4? How big is the oven and how well does the thermostat on it work? 3 18X12X14 with 5 rack shelves. Mines manual with a temp gauge, has a broiler as well for browning the pie tops! You are the thermostat, takes a bit getting use to. Mine second hand rebuildt like new. The new ones have a thermostats. Joe Most people don't use their oven but we like bisquits (easy to make) and pies (a bit more of a challenge) and while I have learned to make beer bread in a pressure cooker, I have not yet figured out how to make sweet potato pie in a pressure cooker. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Force 5 stove report
I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking
about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
Force 5 stove report
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
Force 5 stove report
Capt. JG wrote: I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. You can even mount your tank outside. Alcohol is more dangerious IMO. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
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Doug,
I had an inverter on "Pneuma" for my Micro Oven but I also like biscuits; so I also had a Toaster Oven. My crew use to kid me about my $2000.00 biscuits. I could bake a 7" pie in the Toaster Oven but I only did it when I had Shore Power hook-up. Just to much battery drain for a pie. The biscuits though, Ah yes! 12 minutes of toaster oven time were more than worth it. I'd run the engine to help the batteries for the inverter draw. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT http://community.webtv.net/tassail/IDONTFEELGOOD |
Force 5 stove report
DSK wrote: to make) and pies (a bit more of a challenge) and while I have learned to make beer bread in a pressure cooker, How? sounds good! |
Force 5 stove report
CNG is a pain to find. You need a good bilge
blower for propane. You can do it if you want it Jon. It is not that hard. Capt. JG wrote: I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. |
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"Bart" wrote in message ps.com... CNG is a pain to find. Not around the Chesapeake Bay. Scotty |
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Thom Stewart wrote:
The biscuits though, Ah yes! 12 minutes of toaster oven time were more than worth it. I'd run the engine to help the batteries for the inverter draw. Heck yeah! Fresh hot bisquits are awesome, nothing to warm you up faster on a chilly day. Plus the oven warms the inside of the boat, and the smell is heavenly. DSK |
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... learned to make beer bread in a pressure cooker,
Bart wrote: How? sounds good! It's actually pretty easy. My recipe is easy to remember: Three That means 3 cups of flour (self-rising), 3 tablespoons of sugar, slightly less than 1 beer. Mix up in a big bowl and knead well. The official recipe doesn't call for it, but I add a teaspoon of salt which improves the crust. Normally, you'd bake it in a greased bread pan, but to make it in a pressure cooker you have to have the perforated insert for the bottom of the pot. When the dough is thoroughly kneaded and you can feel it start to rise with your hands, it will still be rather sticky. Roll it into a ball, and sprinkle more flour over it to take away the sticky-ness. Roll & sprinkle some more until it is no longer sticking to the bowl. Now grease the sides of the pot, and put a circle of tin foil over the insert. Put the ball of dough down in the pot and mash it a little, you want about 3 fingers width clear all the way around so the bread can expand. Now put it on the stoveon low, seal the lid, and wait about an hour to 1 1/4 hours. If you want the crust to brown, open the pot sooner & paint a little butter on it- cook another 20 minutes. Time to cook & heat may vary, the best way to tell if it's done is to stab a skewer into the middle and see if it is sticky inside. The bread should pop out, then you roll it upside down and peel off the tinfoil. Slice to desired thickness... it is usually a bit crumbly so it doesn't make good sandwiches. People were amazed when we produced what appeared to be fresh-baked bread on the Hunter 19. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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I would think so, but I haven't checked.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
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You can put alcohol out with water.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. You can even mount your tank outside. Alcohol is more dangerious IMO. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
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Capt. JG wrote: You can put alcohol out with water. Thats good, cuz when your covered with flames you an not see the best thing to do is jump in the water. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. You can even mount your tank outside. Alcohol is more dangerious IMO. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
Force 5 stove report
Capt. JG wrote:
You can put alcohol out with water. Joe wrote: Thats good, cuz when your covered with flames you an not see the best thing to do is jump in the water. IMHO alcohol is a perfectly OK fuel, a bit expensive per BTU but handy and makes the cabin smell nice. I bet Joe is thinking of those old-time pump-up alcohol stoves that had to be primed with kerosene and used a pressurized vapor at the burner. Those things were funky although I wouldn't call them really dangerous. Maybe Joe's had some leaks or else rusted-thru burner throats. Hey Joe, those things are dinosaurs... do you know anything about any technology that is more recent that say 1875? DSK |
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DSK wrote: Capt. JG wrote: You can put alcohol out with water. Joe wrote: Thats good, cuz when your covered with flames you an not see the best thing to do is jump in the water. IMHO alcohol is a perfectly OK fuel, a bit expensive per BTU but handy and makes the cabin smell nice. I bet Joe is thinking of those old-time pump-up alcohol stoves that had to be primed with kerosene and used a pressurized vapor at the burner. Those things were funky although I wouldn't call them really dangerous. Maybe Joe's had some leaks or else rusted-thru burner throats. Hey Joe, those things are dinosaurs... do you know anything about any technology that is more recent that say 1875? DSK No don't know anything about them, cept some lady on the other side of the lake caught on fire and got burned up pretty bad, don't remember all the details but not seeing herself on fire was a big factor, she jumped in the lake to put it out. Joe |
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http://www.corpbrothers.com/marine.htm#california
http://www.corpbrothers.com/index.html "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I would think so, but I haven't checked. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
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"DSK" wrote in message . .. Capt. JG wrote: You can put alcohol out with water. Joe wrote: Thats good, cuz when your covered with flames you an not see the best thing to do is jump in the water. IMHO alcohol is a perfectly OK fuel, a bit expensive per BTU but handy and makes the cabin smell nice. You burning Brandy? When I had a non-pressurized alcohol stove, I hated the smell. SBV |
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Joe,
I had a two burner "Origo" and loved it. I've heard some bad reports about them. I've no proof of them but it did force to take special cautions. The worst I heard ,was a woman went to fill a canister that went dry and tried to fill it to finish cooking. It flashed she dropped the gallon container of Alcohol, which flashed and started a fire on the floor and cut off her ability to get to the extinguisher. Made a mess of the cabin and burnt she pretty bad. Like I say, don't know if true but made me get two extra canisters and always transload alcohol from gallon jug to a pint plastic bottle to refuel any canister. Always a cold canister. I loved those Alky instant light canisters. I also had a Origo Cabin heater but discovered it was a LOT cheaper to run the Diesel Aux. & Red Dot heater. 17 plus years and never a problem. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT http://community.webtv.net/tassail/IDONTFEELGOOD |
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Cool.. Thanks for the link! There's one right down the street from where I
keep the boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... http://www.corpbrothers.com/marine.htm#california http://www.corpbrothers.com/index.html "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I would think so, but I haven't checked. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
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Jump in the water? Can't I just step into the shower? I have a pressurize
system. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Capt. JG wrote: You can put alcohol out with water. Thats good, cuz when your covered with flames you an not see the best thing to do is jump in the water. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. You can even mount your tank outside. Alcohol is more dangerious IMO. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Well we had the force 5 in the galley for about 6-8 mo. now. What a fuel saver, the gas will last about 3 times as long as with other stoves like Attwoods ect.. Has no pilot light to waste fuel. Easy to clean, solid HD stainless steel. Nothing but positive things to say about the stove. Joe |
Force 5 stove report
Keep your tank clean and scratch free. The tank that came on
my boat was scratched up a bit, some small rust. The one place wouldn't exchange it without a $300 deposit in case they had to test / replace the tank. I took it home, sanded and painted it. next Spring they exchanged it , no problem. You used to be able to get a refill fitting so you could go to any CNG 'gas station ( there's quite a few around Balt) and refill the tank yourself, for around $6. Those fittings are now outlawed because of the higher pressures involved. Scotty "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Cool.. Thanks for the link! There's one right down the street from where I keep the boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... http://www.corpbrothers.com/marine.htm#california http://www.corpbrothers.com/index.html "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I would think so, but I haven't checked. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
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Thom Stewart wrote:
Joe, I had a two burner "Origo" and loved it. I've heard some bad reports about them. I've no proof of them but it did force to take special cautions. The biggest precaution is to not try to fill the cannister when it's hot. They only have about 6 warning labels, with big red lettering, all over every part of the stove. The worst I heard ,was a woman went to fill a canister that went dry and tried to fill it to finish cooking. It flashed she dropped the gallon container of Alcohol, which flashed and started a fire on the floor and cut off her ability to get to the extinguisher. Made a mess of the cabin and burnt she pretty bad. Like I say, don't know if true but made me get two extra canisters and always transload alcohol from gallon jug to a pint plastic bottle to refuel any canister. Always a cold canister. We stored it in a camper's fuel jug, sturdy with a good pouring spout. The stuff evaporates out of the burner cannister, so you can't just fill it up and use it up, you have to pour a measured amount into the cannister before every use. Some would call that too much of a PITA, I found it less so than other systems (and certainly less so that running out of fuel half way thru making coffee). I think this is one of the complaints about the expense of alcohol as a cooking fuel, people don't realize how much they are allowing to evaporate. I loved those Alky instant light canisters. I also had a Origo Cabin heater but discovered it was a LOT cheaper to run the Diesel Aux. & Red Dot heater. 17 plus years and never a problem. We never had a problem either. DSK |
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IMHO alcohol is a perfectly OK fuel, a bit expensive per
BTU but handy and makes the cabin smell nice. Scotty wrote: You burning Brandy? When I had a non-pressurized alcohol stove, I hated the smell. Sometimes we used peppermint schnapps, sometimes apple brandy. For special occasions: Courvoisier XO. Gives new meaning to the phrase "beer bread." DSK |
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Thanks for the tips... I'm probably going to do this for next season.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. Keep your tank clean and scratch free. The tank that came on my boat was scratched up a bit, some small rust. The one place wouldn't exchange it without a $300 deposit in case they had to test / replace the tank. I took it home, sanded and painted it. next Spring they exchanged it , no problem. You used to be able to get a refill fitting so you could go to any CNG 'gas station ( there's quite a few around Balt) and refill the tank yourself, for around $6. Those fittings are now outlawed because of the higher pressures involved. Scotty "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Cool.. Thanks for the link! There's one right down the street from where I keep the boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... http://www.corpbrothers.com/marine.htm#california http://www.corpbrothers.com/index.html "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I would think so, but I haven't checked. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I have a two-burner low pressure alcohol system (no oven). I'm thinking about converting it to CNG. a propane conversion isn't recommended by Sabre, apparently. I think it has to do with the difficulty of installation. Most likely. You can mount a CNG tank anywhere. Mine is under the starboard settee, next to the stove. . You do need a small vent to the outside. Is there tank exchange places near you? SBV |
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