"Walt" wrote in message
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Gilligan wrote:

"Walt" wrote

You are trying to stir up controversy where none exists, and then say
"see, there's no consensus". It's disingenuous, and I'm not sure what
you are attempting to accomplish by it.

Please see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../306/5702/1686 for a
survey view of consensus scientific opinion.

Consensus does not make fact.

Yeah yeah yeah. And Gravity is just a "theory".


Gravity is the least understood of all the forces. There's a consensus on
"dark matter" but no one can measure it or show it exists. But there is a
consensus.


Look, you can either believe the scientific consensus or not. It may well
be wrong - the scientific method is not infallable, it's just the best
we've got.

It may not even be the best we've got. All it is is a "consensus".

But please stop trying to muddy the water by claiming that there is no
consensus. There is.

I really don't believe there is a consensus. The publishing is biased, the
federal government funds a lot of research claining global warming exists.

The warming exists only over very short term running averages, up to the
order of a human lifespan. Any longer period of time averaging the warming
disappears.

I agree the earth has been getting warmer in the last several decades. That
can be measured.

I agree the sun has been warming up. That can be measured.

I don't think computer climate models are useful for predicting anything. No
model has ever been validated. For a long term climate model to work weather
forecast should be quite accurate out to at least one half the time span of
the climate model or even more. Weather forecasts fall apart after one week.
Refute this, show me a validated computer simulation. To say the cause of
warming is primarily due to humans is wacko. Look at the data, the warming
started to occur at the turn of the last century way before cars,
smokestacks and conspicuous consumption Republicans. What caused the other
sudden warmings in the last million years?

Every morning I beat a drum and the sun rises. Tomorrow if I don't beat the
drum, will the sun rise?

Global warming is nature at its best. It may get warmer, but it will cool
down too. It happens regardless of man.

There is no consensus on the actual cause of the warming, except what can be
measured - the sun is getting warmer. The rest is speculation.



snip irrelevant Martian tangent

//Walt