ASA question #312.6
 

You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.

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ASA question #312.6
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters
upon the open ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the
requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago.
They are stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened
nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and
operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as
required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast
Guard and found not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the
lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough!
The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


Nitpicky ; Mauve is not a legal color for PFDs.

Obvious ; There's no buckles.

SV

ASA question #312.6
 

"Capt. JG" wrote:

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.



You require signage, to so the idiot passengers can find them without
you pointing them out again!

Cheers
Marty

ASA question #312.6
 

Dave wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:20:43 -0400, Martin Baxter said:

You require signage


Or maybe even a sign.

(Couldn't resist commenting on that wonderful example of overinflated
language.)

Just make sure you pronounce it properely: SIG NAHG' YAY. Accent on
the second syllable. Otherwise it doesn't have the same cachet.

//Walt

ASA question #312.6
 

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:20:43 -0400, Martin Baxter said:

You require signage

Or maybe even a sign.

(Couldn't resist commenting on that wonderful example of overinflated
language.)

No Dave, not over inflated, "sign" connotes a single sign, "signage" is
group of signs and their placement.

Cheers
Marty

ASA question #312.6
 

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

The should have been removed from the packaging
for accessibility, and you should have had drills in
donning them.

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.

ASA question #312.6
 

Dave wrote:

You probably call a fella who's been
admitted to the bar an "attorney and counselor at law" too. I just call him
a lawyer g.

Hmmmm. I tend to use a seven letter word starting with A and ending in E.

ASA question #312.6
 

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:45:46 -0400, Martin Baxter said:

(Couldn't resist commenting on that wonderful example of overinflated
language.)

No Dave, not over inflated, "sign" connotes a single sign, "signage" is
group of signs and their placement.

Ah, some signs in the right places.

One does like to be precise, why use six words when one will do?

You probably call a fella who's been
admitted to the bar an "attorney and counselor at law" too. I just call him
a lawyer g.

Actually I use a somewhat more colourful appellation, not suitable for
mixed company, ;-)

Cheers
Marty

ASA question #312.6
 

This is almost right, so I'll give you 1 pt. At least semi-annually a
thorough inspection of each lifejacket shall be made by a qualified crew
member, including a squeeze to ensure floatation pads are still sealed.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:53:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.

Well, you probably should have opened them to make sure they were all free
of
defects. How do you know some 4 year old in a sweat shop didn't forget to
attach
one of the straps?

CWM

ASA question #312.6
 

I don't recall any US requirement for signage on an uninspected commercial
vessel, but since I didn't specifically say it was uninspected (although the
OUPV license would indicate as much), I'll give you a point for being
correct for inspected vessels. (Not a bad idea for all vessels, but the sign
might class with the mauve cushions. :-)

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote:

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.



You require signage, to so the idiot passengers can find them without
you pointing them out again!

Cheers
Marty

ASA question #312.6
 

Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to have a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to have a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....


If the lifejackets are new in the package, then how could
the lights have batteries in them?

DSK

ASA question #312.6
 

If the lifejackets are new in the package, then how could
the lights have batteries in them?


Dave wrote:
Er....what kind of batteries does a chemical luminescent light use?


What kind of chemical luminescent light conforms to the
standard for emergency strobe lights at sea?

As for what kind of battery, obviously the kind that must be
a-salted.

DSK

ASA question #312.6
 

DSK wrote:
If the lifejackets are new in the package, then how could the lights
have batteries in them?


Dave wrote:
Er....what kind of batteries does a chemical luminescent light use?


What kind of chemical luminescent light conforms to the standard for
emergency strobe lights at sea?

As for what kind of battery, obviously the kind that must be a-salted.

DSK

Sodium?

ASA question #312.6
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to have a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

Good point! So, maybe the CG officer isn't as thorough as we thought!

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't
believe a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen
to have a reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....


If the lifejackets are new in the package, then how could the lights have
batteries in them?

DSK

ASA question #312.6
 

Lights with batteries are acceptable according to the regs, but I think
there's a contradiction in the original question. My apologies for being
imprecise.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:34:20 -0400, DSK said:

If the lifejackets are new in the package, then how could
the lights have batteries in them?

Er....what kind of batteries does a chemical luminescent light use?

ASA question #312.6
 

Actually, on that very question, I spoke with the CG officer responsible for
the information being updated just yesterday. Glow sticks are acceptable, as
long as they're CG approved and have an expiration date (they don't last
forever and the camping ones aren't kosher).

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't
believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to have
a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have
a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by
the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and
found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of
the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

Dave wrote:
The kind Jon posited in his hypothetical when he said: "They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs."

Ah so. My mistake, that's what happens when you try to
answer a question after reading it 34 bad puns ago.

Battery powered strobes for lifejackets are definitely
approved, I have two and they have both been nodded at
approvingly by the USCG (even though they are British made).

DSK

ASA question #312.6
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Actually, on that very question, I spoke with the CG officer responsible for
the information being updated just yesterday. Glow sticks are acceptable, as
long as they're CG approved and have an expiration date (they don't last
forever and the camping ones aren't kosher).

OK I've seen them, IIRC they have to be able to be ativated with one
hand.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't
believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to have
a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used. The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They have
a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by
the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and
found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One of
the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

There are lots of one-armed sailors.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Actually, on that very question, I spoke with the CG officer responsible
for
the information being updated just yesterday. Glow sticks are acceptable,
as
long as they're CG approved and have an expiration date (they don't last
forever and the camping ones aren't kosher).

OK I've seen them, IIRC they have to be able to be ativated with one
hand.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't
believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to
have
a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the
open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number
of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used.
The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They
have
a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by
the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and
found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One
of
the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other
is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on
them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

DSK wrote:
Dave wrote:
The kind Jon posited in his hypothetical when he said: "They have a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by the
regs."

Ah so. My mistake, that's what happens when you try to
answer a question after reading it 34 bad puns ago.

Battery powered strobes for lifejackets are definitely
approved, I have two and they have both been nodded at
approvingly by the USCG (even though they are British made).

DSK

Have you seen the IR strobes?

Perfect for thermal vision which is what the USCG uses.

Joe

ASA question #312.6
 

Really interesting informatin Joe. But do they
work better than a visible strobe?

Joe wrote:

Have you seen the IR strobes?

Perfect for thermal vision which is what the USCG uses.

ASA question #312.6
 

Bart wrote:
Really interesting informatin Joe. But do they
work better than a visible strobe?


If the searchers are using night vision it's much more effective.

Most can be seen from over 4 miles away.

Our troops use them to mark positions, no one can see them unless they
have night vision.

Joe

Joe wrote:

Have you seen the IR strobes?

Perfect for thermal vision which is what the USCG uses.

ASA question #312.6
 

Capt. JG wrote:
There are lots of one-armed sailors.

I think it had more to do with always having one hand for yourself.
You know the ol saying "one hand for your ship, one for yourself'.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Actually, on that very question, I spoke with the CG officer responsible
for
the information being updated just yesterday. Glow sticks are acceptable,
as
long as they're CG approved and have an expiration date (they don't last
forever and the camping ones aren't kosher).

OK I've seen them, IIRC they have to be able to be ativated with one
hand.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I don't
believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to
have
a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the
open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite number
of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor used.
The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation. They
have
a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required by
the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard and
found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets. One
of
the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The other
is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on
them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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ASA question #312.6
 

Jus kiddin man..

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
There are lots of one-armed sailors.

I think it had more to do with always having one hand for yourself.
You know the ol saying "one hand for your ship, one for yourself'.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Actually, on that very question, I spoke with the CG officer
responsible
for
the information being updated just yesterday. Glow sticks are
acceptable,
as
long as they're CG approved and have an expiration date (they don't
last
forever and the camping ones aren't kosher).

OK I've seen them, IIRC they have to be able to be ativated with one
hand.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Definitely two points for the lack of boat name on the PFDs. I
don't
believe
a whistle is required, however. I know a light is. If you happen to
have
a
reference for the whistle (a damn good/cheap item)....

I dont have a copy of the CFR aboard. I just remember going thru
many
inspections, stenciling, changing batteries, and making sure all
jackets had whistles.
If you have a CFR I bet it's in there.

And as Doug said, I doubt glow stick pass mustard.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You own and operate a commercial vessel under 12 meters upon the
open
ocean
with your OUPV near coastal license. You have the requisite
number
of
offshore Type I PFDs purchased approximately one year ago. They
are
stowed
in an easily accessible location, have never been opened nor
used.
The
passengers have been briefed on their donning and operation.
They
have
a
chemical luminescent light attached to each of them, as required
by
the
regs.

Unfortunately, you've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard
and
found
not
to be in compliance for two issues related to the lifejackets.
One
of
the
issues is kind of nitpicky, but these guys are thorough! The
other
is
obviously observed. What are these issues?

5 pts for the nitpicky issue.
2 pts for the obvious one.


New in the pkg means they do not have the boat name stenciled on
them,
and they do not have a whistle.

Joe



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