Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Enough!!!

Reading colregs and forming question doesn't make any one a sailor.

I'm Not for OT normally but after page after page of Coast Guard
regulations, a good political discussion sure as Hell beats pages of dry
Regulations.

Any sailor in a bar that would sit there with a drink and quote Reg.
would soon be talking to himself; as soon Neal and his own "Puppets" are
just about doing now.

BORING to say the least. BORING as hell in real time
discussion.Boring;-----Boring____Boring

ILL DRINK TO THAT
Ole Thom

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ahoy there Thom. I'm going sailing.

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Enough!!!

Reading colregs and forming question doesn't make any one
a sailor.

I'm Not for OT normally but after page after page of Coast
Guard
regulations, a good political discussion sure as Hell
beats pages of dry
Regulations.

Any sailor in a bar that would sit there with a drink and
quote Reg.
would soon be talking to himself; as soon Neal and his own
"Puppets" are
just about doing now.

BORING to say the least. BORING as hell in real time
discussion.Boring;-----Boring____Boring

ILL DRINK TO THAT
Ole Thom

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Enough!!!

Reading colregs and forming question doesn't make any one a sailor.

I'm Not for OT normally but after page after page of Coast Guard
regulations, a good political discussion sure as Hell beats pages of dry
Regulations.

Any sailor in a bar that would sit there with a drink and quote Reg.
would soon be talking to himself; as soon Neal and his own "Puppets" are
just about doing now.

BORING to say the least. BORING as hell in real time
discussion.Boring;-----Boring____Boring

ILL DRINK TO THAT
Ole Thom



I'll deink to that, too......

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
BORING to say the least. BORING as hell in real time
discussion.Boring;-----Boring____Boring


OK Thom, What's your preference?

Engage with the flonkers?

Endless discussion about who's gayer?

Nonsense about how everything that's wrong in the world is caused by
anyone named Bush or Clinton?

How about RB's pathetic yammering about how his life is perfect?

Is it time for a nice gun control thread?

Actually, the occasional colregs thread has dramatically increased the
rules knowledge in this group; if someone has question I'll be willing
to give an opinion.

ILL DRINK TO THAT

Have a hit on me.

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Enough!!!

Reading colregs and forming question doesn't make any one a sailor.

I'm Not for OT normally but after page after page of Coast Guard
regulations, a good political discussion sure as Hell beats pages of dry
Regulations.

Any sailor in a bar that would sit there with a drink and quote Reg.
would soon be talking to himself; as soon Neal and his own "Puppets" are
just about doing now.

BORING to say the least. BORING as hell in real time
discussion.Boring;-----Boring____Boring

ILL DRINK TO THAT
Ole Thom

And another thing thats annoying is trying to remember the subject of 1
thru 10 without trudging thru every question again and again, More info
in the header would be nice, that way we could ignore them with a bit
more ease and let others who do not know discuss and answer the
questions.

Nothing wrong with good questions to brush up, but lately it's been a
bit much. maybe Neal is going to re-new his licences and needs the
pratice.

Joe

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Jeff" wrote
| OK Thom, What's your preference?



You can't figure out his preference yet, Jeff? I can. He's not happy unless somebody's fussing over
him and his aches and pains.... and not being able to do what he used to do. Old people are like that
or most of them. That's all they want to talk about. Me myself and I. Most of their friends have
passed. They feel all alone. Thom thinks colreg talk is boring because there isn't an Old Thom rule
to talk about.
So Thom, let's talk about you. How's your health lately? Getting around OK? Are you sleeping OK?
Do you miss sailing? Do you have any friends you can go sailing with? Do you have a lady friend? Do
you have a pet? How's the weather were you are?

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| OK Thom, What's your preference?



You can't figure out his preference yet, Jeff? I can. He's not happy unless somebody's fussing over
him and his aches and pains.... and not being able to do what he used to do. Old people are like that
or most of them. That's all they want to talk about. Me myself and I. Most of their friends have
passed. They feel all alone. Thom thinks colreg talk is boring because there isn't an Old Thom rule
to talk about.


Wrong, you going over the same Colregs as a different puppet is just
boring to some people.
Try to think up someing new and exciting, like what a fine sailor you
think the unibomber would make.


So Thom, let's talk about you. How's your health lately? Getting around OK? Are you sleeping OK?
Do you miss sailing? Do you have any friends you can go sailing with? Do you have a lady friend? Do
you have a pet? How's the weather were you are?


Well thats more interesting than you rowing a sailboat backwards in an
anchorage getting overtook by a speedboat 22.5 degreese abaft yer beam
and night without proper running lights just inside the channel but in
international waters.

Joe
Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Joe" wrote
| Well thats more interesting than you rowing a sailboat backwards in an
| anchorage getting overtook by a speedboat 22.5 degreese abaft yer beam
| and night without proper running lights just inside the channel but in
| international waters.
|

I just read your post with people being cut in half and decapitated and other gory things.
You call that interesting, Joe? Maybe if your a serial killer or a pervert. Rules talk belongs here
more than blood and gore talk. You gotta be careful. When you accuse people make sure your
not guilty of the same thing or worse....

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Jeff,

I'm NOT against Colregs. I AM for moderation!

ASA has been a very successful discussion group BECAUSE it has never
been a "Johnny One Note!"




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Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Joe,

Nothing wrong with good questions to brush up, but lately it's
been a bit much. maybe Neal is going to re-new his licences and needs
the pratice

I think you may have "Hit the nail on the head!"




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Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote
| ASA has been a very successful discussion group BECAUSE it has never
| been a "Johnny One Note!"



More like a Capt. Rob One Note. :-) Say your prayers, Thom. Be thankful your able to add to the
diversity. Just try to keep it on topic. Saying on topic posts are boring is dumb. Just don't read them.

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Joe" wrote
| Nothing wrong with good questions to brush up, but lately it's been a
| bit much. maybe Neal is going to re-new his licences and needs the
| pratice.



I guess you aren't a captain Joe. I'm studying to take the six-pak license. I'm not a captain yet
but I know you only have to take the test once. If you let it expire you have to take the test again.
It's funny you think I'm Captain Neal. I logged on to his site. He weird but he knows tons about
sailing. More than anybody here. Well, I take it back. Maybe Jeff knows more.

Cheers,
Ellen

Life Commentary
 

Everyone gets old; eventually everyone dies. To not have compassion for
the human condition negates the com passionless one to being subhuman at
best but mire probably inhumane.

Life Commentary
 

"katy" wrote
| Everyone gets old; eventually everyone dies. To not have compassion for
| the human condition negates the com passionless one to being subhuman at
| best but mire probably inhumane.



Good advice, Katy. I'm a little ashamed. Me and Thom got off on the wrong foot. I have compassion for
him, I really do. It's just that he needs to stop living in the past. He should be happy with the present. Complaining
about everything makes him grumpy. Lots of people are worse off than him. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
Look at it this way. It's a blessing even in the taking away stage of life.....


Cheers,
Ellen

Life Commentary
 

katysails wrote:
Everyone gets old; eventually everyone dies. To not have compassion for
the human condition negates the com passionless one to being subhuman at
best but mire probably inhumane.

I don't want to start off y disagreeing with a basically
good philosphy here, but not everyone gets old. Many people
die young.

As for compassion, it is one of the characteristics that
partially seperates humans from animals. To not have
compassion is to be an animal, not human.

To continue on this theme, are sock puppets human? If an
"internet character" dies, does he/she go to Heaven if he's
been good?

DSK

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
| Well thats more interesting than you rowing a sailboat backwards in an
| anchorage getting overtook by a speedboat 22.5 degreese abaft yer beam
| and night without proper running lights just inside the channel but in
| international waters.
|

I just read your post with people being cut in half and decapitated and other gory things.
You call that interesting, Joe? Maybe if your a serial killer or a pervert. Rules talk belongs here
more than blood and gore talk. You gotta be careful. When you accuse people make sure your
not guilty of the same thing or worse....

True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
but too common an accident.

Makes more sence than talking about rowing a sailboat backwards thru
an anchorage any day.

You can chat fantasy all day, and that makes since because you are
your fantasy, have no boat, and never sail.

Joe



Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

In article ,
Scotty wrote:
Ahoy there Thom. I'm going sailing.

Scotty

Ahoy there Thom. I'm going sailing this evening... on the boat right
now, about to attempt the impossible.... finding the oil pressure
sensor alarm wire connection, so I can reconnect it. :-)

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Joe" wrote in
|
| True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
| dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
| and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
| perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
| line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
| but too common an accident.

True. And more welcome than political talk or motor talk. But seriously. That poor guy
probably wouldn't have time to get away even if he was looking right at the hawser when it
parted.

| You can chat fantasy all day, and that makes since because you are
| your fantasy, have no boat, and never sail.

Chatting *fantasy* maybe could prepare you for real life, couldn't it. I do have a boat and I do sail.


Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
| Ahoy there Thom. I'm going sailing this evening... on the boat right
| now, about to attempt the impossible.... finding the oil pressure
| sensor alarm wire connection, so I can reconnect it. :-)



*I* don't need oil pressure to go sailing. Don't you have sails on your boat?


Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

In article ews.net,
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
| Ahoy there Thom. I'm going sailing this evening... on the boat right
| now, about to attempt the impossible.... finding the oil pressure
| sensor alarm wire connection, so I can reconnect it. :-)



*I* don't need oil pressure to go sailing. Don't you have sails on your boat?


You truly are stupid aren't you. Don't answer. It's a rhetorical question.
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Life Commentary
 

DSK wrote:
katysails wrote:
Everyone gets old; eventually everyone dies. To not have compassion
for the human condition negates the com passionless one to being
subhuman at best but mire probably inhumane.

I don't want to start off y disagreeing with a basically good philosphy
here, but not everyone gets old. Many people die young.

As for compassion, it is one of the characteristics that partially
seperates humans from animals. To not have compassion is to be an
animal, not human.

To continue on this theme, are sock puppets human? If an "internet
character" dies, does he/she go to Heaven if he's been good?

DSK

Nah...that's where limbo comes in...only pippets that get into heaven
are Elmo and Grover...and maybe Kermit.

Life Commentary
 

"katy" wrote in
| Nah...that's where limbo comes in...only pippets that get into heaven
| are Elmo and Grover...and maybe Kermit.


Don't forget Lambchop! http://www.puppetville.com/lambchop-puppet/

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
|
| True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
| dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
| and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
| perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
| line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
| but too common an accident.

True. And more welcome than political talk or motor talk. But seriously. That poor guy
probably wouldn't have time to get away even if he was looking right at the hawser when it
parted.

Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
path it may take if parting.
Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
saved them both.

Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
hit them.



| You can chat fantasy all day, and that makes since because you are
| your fantasy, have no boat, and never sail.

Chatting *fantasy* maybe could prepare you for real life, couldn't it. I do have a boat and I do sail.

Yeah, I was planning on rowing my sailboat backwards thru the
anchorage later today.

Joe





Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Jeff,

I'm NOT against Colregs. I AM for moderation!

Sorry, this group is unmoderated.



ASA has been a very successful discussion group BECAUSE it has never
been a "Johnny One Note!"

There is only one solution to that, start a thread on a different
topic. And that's what you did, sort of.

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Joe" wrote
| Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
| path it may take if parting.
| Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
| saved them both.
| Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
| hit them.

Wouldn't it be better just to stay away or behind bulkheads.
They sure have some dumb safety rules. It'd make better sense to make a rule the nobody can watch
the line in the open. There needs to be strong bulkheads to protect seamen working near the hawser. They
need to be told to stay behind the bulkheads. It sounds like they're supposed to watch the hawser at all
times. Then they're supposed to see when it starts to snap. Then they're supposed to beat feet to cover.
Duh!
I can stretch a rubber band until it breaks. It snaps straight back. Just don't get in line with the
hawser and you're probably pretty safe.

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Have a good sail Scotty,

An Old Diesel Truck Driver should solve that problem without to much
trouble. Enjoy!




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Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
| Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
| path it may take if parting.
| Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
| saved them both.
| Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
| hit them.

Wouldn't it be better just to stay away or behind bulkheads.

Yes, but work on deck may prevent that. In one case the guy was
watching cargo slide on deck after tieing the line that snapped.

We had headache rails on the boat to jump behind and be safe : Lika
so..

http://www.marcon.com/library/Sales_...005Sales/a.jpg

http://supplyboats.leefelterman.com/specs/osv116a.jpg

see the big rails along the deck side, between the deck and bulwarks?
Thats were you go when **** starts shifting, then you can turn and
look. See were the stern bits are? A line goes up to each corner of a
drilling platform and you set an anchor off your bow, you may be
offloading and loading cargo for days on end. You have to work the
deck, you can not hide all the time.

The second was a guy on a Fleet tug deck pulling on our ship to get
her away from the dock in a typhoon.
IIRC it was this tug : http://www.msc.navy.mil/N00P/graphics/Mday4.jpg

The guy was not in direct line when the 6" samson braid let go, he was
on the stern quarter of the deck I think heading to dis-engage the
brake as the line started to smoke.



They sure have some dumb safety rules. It'd make better sense to make a rule the nobody can watch
the line in the open. There needs to be strong bulkheads to protect seamen working near the hawser. They
need to be told to stay behind the bulkheads. It sounds like they're supposed to watch the hawser at all
times. Then they're supposed to see when it starts to snap. Then they're supposed to beat feet to cover.
Duh!
I can stretch a rubber band until it breaks. It snaps straight back. Just don't get in line with the
hawser and you're probably pretty safe.

Not so, the larger the hawser the wider path of danger , the way the
hawser parts, and it's braid, can make it go off at weird angles.

Joe


Cheers,
Ellen

Life Commentary
 

Ah Come on Katy,

I bet Kopler & Olly made it! How about Lamb Chop! Even Howdy Dody. Not
to sure about "Buffalo Bob"




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Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

"Joe" wrote
| Yes, but work on deck may prevent that. In one case the guy was
| watching cargo slide on deck after tieing the line that snapped.
| We had headache rails on the boat to jump behind and be safe : Lika
| so..
| http://www.marcon.com/library/Sales_...005Sales/a.jpg

That's a very little picture, Joe. I guess your talking about those things that look like blue walls.

| http://supplyboats.leefelterman.com/specs/osv116a.jpg
| see the big rails along the deck side, between the deck and bulwarks?

I see them.

| Thats were you go when **** starts shifting, then you can turn and
| look. See were the stern bits are?

I can't see the stern. It looks like the bow. Or did they put the pilot house right on the bow?
Maybe that's it. Most boats have the pilot house on the stern. Are those blue things sticking up the bits?

| A line goes up to each corner of a
| drilling platform and you set an anchor off your bow, you may be
| offloading and loading cargo for days on end. You have to work the
| deck, you can not hide all the time.

I thought a hawser was a rope for towing barges. I don't think lines to a platform would break.
Unless there was a hurricane.... Before that you'd be away from there I'd expect.

| The second was a guy on a Fleet tug deck pulling on our ship to get
| her away from the dock in a typhoon.

You should have kedged it off. :-)

| IIRC it was this tug : http://www.msc.navy.mil/N00P/graphics/Mday4.jpg

Well golly! They DO put the pilot house right on the bow. Must be a bumpy ride in a storm.

| The guy was not in direct line when the 6" samson braid let go, he was
| on the stern quarter of the deck I think heading to dis-engage the
| brake as the line started to smoke.

It's a sad story. You can't be too careful. You can get squashed like a bug any time.

| Not so, the larger the hawser the wider path of danger , the way the
| hawser parts, and it's braid, can make it go off at weird angles.

OK. I believe you now and I understand better. Thanks for a great post.

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Jeff,

Any Discussion or Thought that keeps the Mind OPEN is a worthwhile
thing. Anything; even good things, that get stuck in a Rut need to be
freed!

It's something Neal has forgotten in his Retirement. He was the one who
developed vivacity in the ASA. It's what makes us a different sailing
discussion group. I've liked it. It's something we should all be aware
of and not let it get lost.

I think the Colregs have been overdone. That's my opinion. In this
group, I'm allowed to post it. Thanks be to the Almighty other don't
have to accept it.

That my friends is what a Good Discussion is about!!!

I think the "Colreg" has become BORING.




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Life Commentary
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Ah Come on Katy,

I bet Kopler & Olly made it! How about Lamb Chop! Even Howdy Dody. Not
to sure about "Buffalo Bob"




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Howdy Doody is definitely in hell....

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote
| Yes, but work on deck may prevent that. In one case the guy was
| watching cargo slide on deck after tieing the line that snapped.
| We had headache rails on the boat to jump behind and be safe : Lika
| so..
| http://www.marcon.com/library/Sales_...005Sales/a.jpg

That's a very little picture, Joe. I guess your talking about those things that look like blue walls.

No...the blue "walls" are the bulkheads, it the pipe between the
bulkhead and deck

http://www.exmaroffshore.com/images/...0pix_75dpi.jpg simpler un
cluttered picture shows headache rails

Here is an anchor deck, thats what i did mostly is set anchors for the
semi's. See the guy standing under the headache rail?
http://www.bruceanchor.co.uk/Dennla.htm

If you scroll down that page it shows a deck loaded with anchors,
backdown bouys and rode, cable fixing to put a rig on station. See the
headache rail that run the length of the working deck? They are
nicknamed headache rails for the odvious reason.

| http://supplyboats.leefelterman.com/specs/osv116a.jpg
| see the big rails along the deck side, between the deck and bulwarks?

I see them.

| Thats were you go when **** starts shifting, then you can turn and
| look. See were the stern bits are?

I can't see the stern. It looks like the bow. Or did they put the pilot house right on the bow?

yes http://www.mossww.com/mossmaritime/i...isma-1JA-2.jpg

Maybe that's it. Most boats have the pilot house on the stern. Are those blue things sticking up the bits?

| A line goes up to each corner of a
| drilling platform and you set an anchor off your bow, you may be
| offloading and loading cargo for days on end. You have to work the
| deck, you can not hide all the time.

I thought a hawser was a rope for towing barges. I don't think lines to a platform would break.

think about 500-800 tons surging down q 12 ft wave, how much force
woulf it take to stop it?

If the lines did not break you might pull a rig over.

Unless there was a hurricane.... Before that you'd be away from there I'd expect.

| The second was a guy on a Fleet tug deck pulling on our ship to get
| her away from the dock in a typhoon.

You should have kedged it off. :-)

| IIRC it was this tug : http://www.msc.navy.mil/N00P/graphics/Mday4.jpg

Well golly! They DO put the pilot house right on the bow. Must be a bumpy ride in a storm.

| The guy was not in direct line when the 6" samson braid let go, he was
| on the stern quarter of the deck I think heading to dis-engage the
| brake as the line started to smoke.

It's a sad story. You can't be too careful. You can get squashed like a bug any time.

The guy who lost a leg was between two boats offshore

joe

| Not so, the larger the hawser the wider path of danger , the way the
| hawser parts, and it's braid, can make it go off at weird angles.

OK. I believe you now and I understand better. Thanks for a great post.

Cheers,
Ellen

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Joe wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
|
| True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
| dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
| and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
| perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
| line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
| but too common an accident.

True. And more welcome than political talk or motor talk. But seriously. That poor guy
probably wouldn't have time to get away even if he was looking right at the hawser when it
parted.

Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
path it may take if parting.
Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
saved them both.

Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
hit them.

Agree. Having spent over 20 years on & off working on ORV's, LFV's and
the like, I never allow anyone on the working deck while we're
deploying or recovering gear unless they have a job to do, and there's
someone with overwatch role whose job it is to keep an eye on people
who may get too involved in the immediate task to think about
consequences of something going wrong.

We're about to go recover moored instrument strings from 4800m of
water.

PDW

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Joe wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
|
| True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
| dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
| and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
| perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
| line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
| but too common an accident.

True. And more welcome than political talk or motor talk. But seriously. That poor guy
probably wouldn't have time to get away even if he was looking right at the hawser when it
parted.

Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
path it may take if parting.
Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
saved them both.

Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
hit them.

Agree. Having spent over 20 years on & off working on ORV's, LFV's and
the like, I never allow anyone on the working deck while we're
deploying or recovering gear unless they have a job to do, and there's
someone with overwatch role whose job it is to keep an eye on people
who may get too involved in the immediate task to think about
consequences of something going wrong.

We're about to go recover moored instrument strings from 4800m of
water.

PDW

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Jeff,

Any Discussion or Thought that keeps the Mind OPEN is a worthwhile
thing.

Yup.

Anything; even good things, that get stuck in a Rut need to be
freed!

If people keep responding, especially if they vary what they're
talking about, why do you think its stuck in a rut? Since you didn't
respond to any of them, or any of the "seamanship questions,"
obviously this stuff doesn't appeal to you. But clearly others enjoy
them.


It's something Neal has forgotten in his Retirement. He was the one who
developed vivacity in the ASA. It's what makes us a different sailing
discussion group. I've liked it. It's something we should all be aware
of and not let it get lost.

I think the Colregs have been overdone. That's my opinion.

And you're to it. I ignore many threads that don't appeal to me;
you're certainly free to do the same.


In this
group, I'm allowed to post it. Thanks be to the Almighty other don't
have to accept it.

That my friends is what a Good Discussion is about!!!

I think the "Colreg" has become BORING.

OK, we'll focus on the Inland Rules.

Colregs Questions; BORING!
 

Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Joe" wrote in
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| True trailor sailors like you will never encounter anything more
| dangerious than a wet butt rash but........ gory things happen at sea,
| and I rather talk about a 4" hauser parting and killing a sailor so
| perhaps it will instill the importance of never turning your back on a
| line under load. That may keep another person from such a preventable,
| but too common an accident.

True. And more welcome than political talk or motor talk. But seriously. That poor guy
probably wouldn't have time to get away even if he was looking right at the hawser when it
parted.

Wrong! The ideal is to keep your eyes on the line, and never get in the
path it may take if parting.
Both times the boats had specific areas to hide behind that would have
saved them both.

Both people killed took thier eyes off the load, they never knew what
hit them.

Agree. Having spent over 20 years on & off working on ORV's, LFV's and
the like, I never allow anyone on the working deck while we're
deploying or recovering gear unless they have a job to do, and there's
someone with overwatch role whose job it is to keep an eye on people
who may get too involved in the immediate task to think about
consequences of something going wrong.

Same here, but the guy killed was the first mate, his job is to over
see the deck operations and keep the deck hands safe..


We're about to go recover moored instrument strings from 4800m of
water.

Pretty deep water, what's the application?

Joe

PDW