My seamanship question # 7
 

It's me again with another question about the colregs. This time I'll explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on paper. I don't wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather shore. The shoreline's straight as an arrow.
Both boats are sailing exactly parallel to the shore. The wind's straight outta the west. That
means the shoreline's on the port side of the boats. It means both boats are on the port tack.
Boat #1 is ahead of Boat #2. Boat #2's a little farther away from the shore so he's downwind.
But, not much. Maybe half the beam of boat #1. But, Boat #1 is still upwind.
Boat #2's gaining. He's near enough to boat #1 that it's an overtaking situation. Since he's
overtaking he must give way. Or, maybe not....
Since both boats are on the same tack the boat to weather must give way, right? Boat #1's to
weather so Boat #1 must give way.
Two different answers. One for one rule and the other for another rule. The question is
what rule applies? If you follow the sailing rule 12 then your ignoring the overtaking rule 13. If
you follow the overtaking rule 13 then your ignoring sailing rule 12.
How do you decide which has priority? Since sailboats have a specific rule all their own
shouldn't it be followed first. Or since rule 13 is for *all* boats shouldn't it be followed first.
Laws are usually applied from the general to the specific. Specific has the last word.
Dilemma?

Cheers,
Ellen

My seamanship question # 7
 

What dilemma? Rule 13 makes it pretty clear when it starts:
"Notwithstanding anything contained..." that it takes priority.

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
It's me again with another question about the colregs. This time I'll explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on paper. I don't wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather shore. The shoreline's straight as an arrow.
Both boats are sailing exactly parallel to the shore. The wind's straight outta the west. That
means the shoreline's on the port side of the boats. It means both boats are on the port tack.
Boat #1 is ahead of Boat #2. Boat #2's a little farther away from the shore so he's downwind.
But, not much. Maybe half the beam of boat #1. But, Boat #1 is still upwind.
Boat #2's gaining. He's near enough to boat #1 that it's an overtaking situation. Since he's
overtaking he must give way. Or, maybe not....
Since both boats are on the same tack the boat to weather must give way, right? Boat #1's to
weather so Boat #1 must give way.
Two different answers. One for one rule and the other for another rule. The question is
what rule applies? If you follow the sailing rule 12 then your ignoring the overtaking rule 13. If
you follow the overtaking rule 13 then your ignoring sailing rule 12.
How do you decide which has priority? Since sailboats have a specific rule all their own
shouldn't it be followed first. Or since rule 13 is for *all* boats shouldn't it be followed first.
Laws are usually applied from the general to the specific. Specific has the last word.
Dilemma?

Cheers,
Ellen

My seamanship question # 7
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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It's me again with another question about the colregs.
This time I'll explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on
paper. I don't wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather
shore.

True North or Magnetic North?

SV

My seamanship question # 7
 

"Jeff" wrote
| What dilemma? Rule 13 makes it pretty clear when it starts:
| "Notwithstanding anything contained..." that it takes priority.

Damn! So that's what that means.... Funny how I read that but it just didn't register.
Thanks for being nice about it.

Cheers,
Ellen

My seamanship question # 7
 

"Scotty" wrote
| True North or Magnetic North?


:-)

My seamanship question # 7
 

It's certainly clear that you have no clue. There's nothing particularly
confusing about this situation. Try reading Rule 13 again and again until
you get it.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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It's me again with another question about the colregs. This time I'll
explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on paper. I don't
wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather shore. The shoreline's
straight as an arrow.
Both boats are sailing exactly parallel to the shore. The wind's straight
outta the west. That
means the shoreline's on the port side of the boats. It means both boats
are on the port tack.
Boat #1 is ahead of Boat #2. Boat #2's a little farther away from the
shore so he's downwind.
But, not much. Maybe half the beam of boat #1. But, Boat #1 is still
upwind.
Boat #2's gaining. He's near enough to boat #1 that it's an
overtaking situation. Since he's
overtaking he must give way. Or, maybe not....
Since both boats are on the same tack the boat to weather must give
way, right? Boat #1's to
weather so Boat #1 must give way.
Two different answers. One for one rule and the other for another
rule. The question is
what rule applies? If you follow the sailing rule 12 then your ignoring
the overtaking rule 13. If
you follow the overtaking rule 13 then your ignoring sailing rule 12.
How do you decide which has priority? Since sailboats have a specific
rule all their own
shouldn't it be followed first. Or since rule 13 is for *all* boats
shouldn't it be followed first.
Laws are usually applied from the general to the specific. Specific
has the last word.
Dilemma?

Cheers,
Ellen

My seamanship question # 7
 

Hahahahaaaaa ... the other north.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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It's me again with another question about the colregs.
This time I'll explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on
paper. I don't wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather
shore.

True North or Magnetic North?

SV

My seamanship question # 7
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
It's me again with another question about the colregs. This time I'll explain it clear as a bell.
I thought about it a lot. I even made a little sketch on paper. I don't wanna see a single complaint
about it, ya hear? ;-)
Two sailboats are sailing north along a weather shore. The shoreline's straight as an arrow.
Both boats are sailing exactly parallel to the shore. The wind's straight outta the west. That
means the shoreline's on the port side of the boats. It means both boats are on the port tack.
Boat #1 is ahead of Boat #2. Boat #2's a little farther away from the shore so he's downwind.
But, not much. Maybe half the beam of boat #1. But, Boat #1 is still upwind.
Boat #2's gaining. He's near enough to boat #1 that it's an overtaking situation. Since he's
overtaking he must give way. Or, maybe not....
Since both boats are on the same tack the boat to weather must give way, right? Boat #1's to
weather so Boat #1 must give way.
Two different answers. One for one rule and the other for another rule. The question is
what rule applies? If you follow the sailing rule 12 then your ignoring the overtaking rule 13. If
you follow the overtaking rule 13 then your ignoring sailing rule 12.
How do you decide which has priority? Since sailboats have a specific rule all their own
shouldn't it be followed first. Or since rule 13 is for *all* boats shouldn't it be followed first.
Laws are usually applied from the general to the specific. Specific has the last word.
Dilemma?

Hmmmmm. African swallow or European?

//Walt