Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the
anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done
this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock.
No big deal.

CM

wrote in message
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How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

"Scotty" wrote in message

the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
wind by hand???


YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny.
Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready
to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by
the hook point.

Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what
a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to
preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all...
understand your boat.

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote
| You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead.


That's about the silliest thing you've said so far...
If it's true how come they don't *plan ahead* instead of having big
strong crewmen grind winches on racing yachts?


Cheers,
Ellen

"silverback" wrote

| Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the
| anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done
| this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock.
| No big deal.


I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an anchor
to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced???

Cheers,
Ellen

"silverback" wrote
| YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny.
| Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready
| to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by
| the hook point.
|
| Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what
| a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to
| preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all...
| understand your boat.


Right on CM. I like your style...

Cheers,
Ellen

wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt


I'm surprised these questions even raise an issue. Where I learned to
sail and race, the primary docks were long face docks. Most were
oriented east-west, and a dead south wind is pretty uncommon in
Boston, but we certainly have a lot of SW and SE. Actually, IIRC, the
Community Sailing docks were square to a NW, but those boats were
mainly 15 foot centerboards. Across the river, the larger boats were
usually Rhodes 18 and 19, but we also had the occasional Soling,
Tempest, and a few other small keel boats and a zillion smaller
dinghies. None of these had an engine, and we always sailed off the
dock. All that is required is to back the jib and/or main while
holding the stern to the dock, and the boat will come all the way
around. Generally, if there was a problem, someone on the dock could
hold to boom to back the main.

If the wind is truly square to the dock, then you can almost just pull
in the sail and sail away. However, the boat needs to slip sideways a
bit in order to accelerate, so it is necessary to push it away. Since
the boom will be overhanging the dock, you need someone on the dock to
push you away and forward. You only need a foot or two even for a 25
foot keel boat.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat
out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock....
can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz.

I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to
overcome is inertia....

CM

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| Have you ever tried it. I can pull my 30'er , bow first
| into wind, no sails up, but it's not easy. I wouldn't try
| it sideways with a sail up!


No, but I'm not a strong man. And you could always get help from the
crew.
Or wait for a lull.
But it might not be as hard as you think. In the heave to position
about half the
mainsail is covered up by the jib. The total sail area probably isn't as
big as you think.
Plus the boat will lean over a little too spilling wind.

Oh Good Grief..... what type of resistance from the sails are you
anticipating with the sheets running free... abeam to the wind?????

Here's a clue.... NONE!!

Let me guess... none of you have ever even tried this... have you?

CM

.... and Jon is planning to come out of the closet!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat
out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Cheers,
Ellen

"silverback" wrote
| Let me guess... none of you have ever even tried this... have you?


I do it but not with the sails shaking. It's better if they're like they are
when your hove to. The don't shake and the sheets don't get tangled in knots.
And, the mainsail is ready to go. You get the anchor in. Let go the weather
jib sheet and off you go. You need to have the lee jib sheet sheeted in too.


Cheers,
Ellen