Clearly not. If you think he's so kewl, then why don't you email him. Maybe
he'll take you in like one of the many chickens he has routing around on his
property.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| Mooron, among other things, is a proven liar. He's a very angry person.
Just
| watch how he reacts to anything someone says that's negative about him.


Thank you so much for the insight. But, I think I can figure people
out for
myself. I happen to disagree with you on this. I think he's kewl. Maybe
you
should take your own advice and start saying something nice about him. You
know, do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.... Your being crabby
and
crabby gets you crabby.

Cheers,
Ellen

"silverback" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message

the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO
the
wind by hand???


YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times!
Raise main & genny.
Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is
holding but ready
to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh
anchor as you sail by
the hook point.

Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season
without aux. I know what
a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing.
The key is to
preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most
of all...
understand your boat.


Shhhhh..be quiet Moron, you'll spoil all the fun!

Scotty

well, sure, if you're talking about big, slow full keel
double ended pigs that can't sail out of their own way.

SBV


"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
1 point for CM

Small boat might get off with a running start, but it
is by no means certain and this is a small subset of the
sailing population. The proper way is to set an
anchor and pull yourself off.

If the boat is big, it will have big winches. You can
winch yourself off the dock and lay to a single anchor.

As to when you should set your sails. That is a matter
of choice. When laying to a single anchor you can hoist
later or you can do it in advance--which means more work.

I'd just set the main after pulling myself off and leave
the
foredeck clean for working up the anchor. With a roller
furler I'd unroll the jib enough to allow me to back the
sail but not enough to be in the way of hosting the
anchor.
The advantage to having the jib set is you can back it if
you
are in irons. The same could be done with the main, but
less
effectively.


"silverback" wrote

"Scotty" wrote in message

the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock
and
you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO
the
wind by hand???


YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times!
Raise main & genny.
Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor
is holding but
ready to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then
weigh anchor as you
sail by the hook point.

Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season
without aux. I know
what a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly
amazing. The key is
to preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and
most of all...
understand your boat.

CM

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about
planning ahead.


That's about the silliest thing you've said so far...
If it's true how come they don't *plan ahead* instead
of having big
strong crewmen grind winches on racing yachts?


that was their plan, to have big strong grinders onboard.
Sheesh!

SBV

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
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"silverback" wrote

| Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull
your vessel to the
| anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you
sail by. I've done
| this so often it's second nature. It's called casting
off from a lee dock.
| No big deal.


I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget
about using an anchor
to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's
inexperienced???


Absolutely...you kedge your little Sunfish off the dock.

I may be getting these docking questions mixed up, and I may
be drinking but I believe Little Ellen was to have you pull
the boat INTO the wind, sideways, from midship cleat she
said.

Scotty



"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
silverback wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message

reenews.ne
t...
"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock
and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat
INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big
boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably
pull a 30 foot boat
out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots
on a lee dock....
can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy
like Ganz.

The wind force on the typical 30 foot sailboat in a 30
knot breeze is
about 700 pounds. And that's without the sail up.

I use to sail my 25 footer without firing up the engine
for a season.
One of the few times I used it was to raise a well set
anchor in a
crowded anchorage with a strong breeze. Even though I was
30 years
younger, I could just barely haul the boat up to the
anchor with sails
set, and that was probably 500 pounds on the rode.



I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The
only thing to
overcome is inertia....

With a 40 footer, the strain goes well over 1000 pounds.
Yes, there
are probably a few tricks you can play, but just hauling
hand over
hand isn't going to do much.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote


He might be exaggerating a little


That is priceless!

)))))

"silverback" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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"Scotty" wrote
| Have you ever tried it. I can pull my 30'er , bow
first
| into wind, no sails up, but it's not easy. I wouldn't
try
| it sideways with a sail up!


No, but I'm not a strong man. And you could always
get help from the
crew.
Or wait for a lull.
But it might not be as hard as you think. In the
heave to position
about half the
mainsail is covered up by the jib. The total sail area
probably isn't as
big as you think.
Plus the boat will lean over a little too spilling wind.

Oh Good Grief..... what type of resistance from the sails
are you
anticipating with the sheets running free... abeam to the
wind?????

Here's a clue.... NONE!!

Let me guess... none of you have ever even tried this...
have you?


Yes, I have.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
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"silverback" wrote
| Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and
it's use in
| manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you
panywaisted sailing
| instructors with no experience in vessel handling
without an engine to
| depend on!
|
| You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the
title of Captain
| because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and
passed by thousands
| every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the
very basics of sail
| that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a
Captain??
|
| Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest
about the persons
| taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants
that consider a few
| years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands
as proof of
| competency.
|
| I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because
when I was learning...
| it was with hands on experience with real seafarers...
and back then I kept
| my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand....
you book read
| wanna-be scumsucking dock diva!
|
| You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot!


Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his
giddyup! I like your style, sir...


Don't interrupt, he's on a roll.

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:34:52 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

He's so angry, he can't stop. It's quite pathetic.

That's why Ellen is attracted to him. She has a lot of
anchor, too.


Is that the best you could come up with, Jons new bitch?

SV