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[email protected] September 16th 06 03:26 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Joe September 16th 06 03:42 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Hoist the fore sail, toss the bow lines, spring out with yor stern line
and yer off.

Joe


Capt. JG September 16th 06 03:59 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Tighten the jib at the dock. Cast off the bow line hall in on the stern
line. As the jib back winds, you start falling away from the dock. Release
the stern line, move the jib to the other side. You're gone.

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wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




Scotty September 16th 06 04:41 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Push off from the bow, roll out jib, sail off, turn on AP
and hoist main, grab drink from below.

Scotty


wrote in message
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How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




Jeff September 16th 06 12:05 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Release painter. (How many know what that is?) Walk on dock towards
stern. Grab mainsheet near the end of boom and pull in so boat pivots
away from dock, keep stern in close. Ask novice passengers already
onboard if they want you to come along. Casually step over stern to
take helm. Slip and land on tiller, breaking it in half.

Alternate ending: realize you forgot to ship the rudder.

Ellen MacArthur September 16th 06 06:19 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...

Cheers,
Ellen

Scotty September 16th 06 06:48 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
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t...

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the

front of your boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three

or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and

pull on the anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off

you go...


3 boat lengths? By the time you weigh anchor you'll be back
crashing on the dock.

SV



Ellen MacArthur September 16th 06 06:50 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Scotty" wrote

| 3 boat lengths? By the time you weigh anchor you'll be back
| crashing on the dock.


Not if your fast and not if you don't get in irons. The secret
is to break loose the anchor from the bottom only when the bow's
at an angle to the wind. That way your mainsail should sail you
away from the dock. It should be sheeted in about on the quarter.
If you use the jib too you have to make sure its full and not backed
before you break loose the anchor.

Cheers,
Ellen

Scotty September 16th 06 06:57 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
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"Scotty" wrote

| 3 boat lengths? By the time you weigh anchor you'll be

back
| crashing on the dock.


Not if your fast and not if you don't get in irons.

The secret
is to break loose the anchor from the bottom only when the

bow's
at an angle to the wind. That way your mainsail should

sail you
away from the dock. It should be sheeted in about on the

quarter.
If you use the jib too you have to make sure its full and

not backed
before you break loose the anchor.



For some reason, I can't picture you doing this.

Scotty



Capt. JG September 16th 06 07:28 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your
boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...

Cheers,
Ellen




Capt. JG September 16th 06 07:28 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
You shouldn't have to be "fast" to sail away from a dock. You need to be
under control at all times. Fast usually gets you in touble.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote

| 3 boat lengths? By the time you weigh anchor you'll be back
| crashing on the dock.


Not if your fast and not if you don't get in irons. The secret
is to break loose the anchor from the bottom only when the bow's
at an angle to the wind. That way your mainsail should sail you
away from the dock. It should be sheeted in about on the quarter.
If you use the jib too you have to make sure its full and not backed
before you break loose the anchor.

Cheers,
Ellen




Ellen MacArthur September 16th 06 10:23 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Capt. JG" wrote
| You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.


Sez who?

Cheers,
Ellen



Jeff September 16th 06 10:54 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote
| You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.


Sez who?


You certainly don't need it for your boat.

I can understand using it for a 6 ton crab crusher. For that matter,
I'm not sure about my boat, especially if I had a lot of constraints.

On the other hand, I did it many times, perhaps hundreds, with boats
like a Rhodes 19. You just push it off and get going. Or you get
someone else to push the boom.

Ellen MacArthur September 16th 06 11:01 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Jeff" wrote
| You certainly don't need it for your boat.
|
| I can understand using it for a 6 ton crab crusher. For that matter,
| I'm not sure about my boat, especially if I had a lot of constraints.
|
| On the other hand, I did it many times, perhaps hundreds, with boats
| like a Rhodes 19. You just push it off and get going. Or you get
| someone else to push the boom.



I'd rather be safe than sorry. It's better not to put other boats at risk
because you cut things too close. It's not fun being embarrassed because
you ran into somebody's boat. Using an anchor to kedge off is tried and
true and professional. It's just about foolproof.

Cheers,
Ellen

silverback September 16th 06 11:08 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




silverback September 16th 06 11:11 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
IDIOT!

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your
boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the
anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...

Cheers,
Ellen






Jeff September 16th 06 11:17 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
| You certainly don't need it for your boat.
|
| I can understand using it for a 6 ton crab crusher. For that matter,
| I'm not sure about my boat, especially if I had a lot of constraints.
|
| On the other hand, I did it many times, perhaps hundreds, with boats
| like a Rhodes 19. You just push it off and get going. Or you get
| someone else to push the boom.



I'd rather be safe than sorry. It's better not to put other boats at risk
because you cut things too close. It's not fun being embarrassed because
you ran into somebody's boat. Using an anchor to kedge off is tried and
true and professional. It's just about foolproof.

Cheers,
Ellen


Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the
club launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the
dink. Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock
is empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.

Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat
and sail off, doesn't look too professional.

Jeff September 16th 06 11:29 PM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




Bart Senior September 17th 06 12:01 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
That might not work in a larger yacht.

You could always ring for a stewardess.

"Scotty" wrote
Push off from the bow, roll out jib, sail off, turn on AP
and hoist main, grab drink from below.

Scotty


wrote
.
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




Bart Senior September 17th 06 12:03 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
That's the right answer for a different question.
Wrong for this question.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your
boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...




Bart Senior September 17th 06 12:09 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
1/2 point for you Joe.

It is better to use an forward spring line to pivot the
boat off the dock. A stern line would let the boat slip
aft a bit and could be trouble if there is a boat close
behind you.

For those who don't know, an forward spring is a line
from the aft of the boat forward to a point on the dock
admiships for foarther forward on the dock. It prevents
the boat from moving backwards.

I like to double up the line so it starts at an aft cleat,
goes forward on the dock, one turn, and back to the
aft cleat or perhaps a winch. I can ease if from the
boat as the boat pivots away from the dock.

Why does the boat pivot? Because you back the jib
to push the bow away from the dock.

This works with any size sailboat--even very large
schooners.

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Hoist the fore sail, toss the bow lines, spring out with yor stern line
and yer off.

Joe




Bart Senior September 17th 06 12:09 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
1/2 point for Jon for mentioning that the jib backs.

"Capt. JG" wrote
Tighten the jib at the dock. Cast off the bow line hall in on the stern
line. As the jib back winds, you start falling away from the dock. Release
the stern line, move the jib to the other side. You're gone.


wrote
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




Jeff September 17th 06 12:16 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Bart Senior wrote:
1/2 point for you Joe.

It is better to use an forward spring line to pivot the
boat off the dock. A stern line would let the boat slip
aft a bit and could be trouble if there is a boat close
behind you.

For those who don't know, an forward spring is a line
from the aft of the boat forward to a point on the dock
admiships for foarther forward on the dock. It prevents
the boat from moving backwards.

I like to double up the line so it starts at an aft cleat,
goes forward on the dock, one turn, and back to the
aft cleat or perhaps a winch. I can ease if from the
boat as the boat pivots away from the dock.

Why does the boat pivot? Because you back the jib
to push the bow away from the dock.

This works with any size sailboat--even very large
schooners.


About 80% of the time we use the doubled back forward spring to spring
the boat off the dock. Of course, I'm not often sailing off, and I'd
guess Mooron would consider using twin diesels cheating.

Capt. JG September 17th 06 12:28 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Sez just about anyone who's ever tried it.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.


Sez who?

Cheers,
Ellen





Capt. JG September 17th 06 12:28 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
You're not safer using an anchor. You're using more equipment that
necessary.

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"j" ganz @@
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Jeff" wrote
| You certainly don't need it for your boat.
|
| I can understand using it for a 6 ton crab crusher. For that matter,
| I'm not sure about my boat, especially if I had a lot of constraints.
|
| On the other hand, I did it many times, perhaps hundreds, with boats
| like a Rhodes 19. You just push it off and get going. Or you get
| someone else to push the boom.



I'd rather be safe than sorry. It's better not to put other boats at
risk
because you cut things too close. It's not fun being embarrassed because
you ran into somebody's boat. Using an anchor to kedge off is tried and
true and professional. It's just about foolproof.

Cheers,
Ellen




Capt. JG September 17th 06 12:29 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
You sound awfully angry... poor guy.

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:HE_Og.18286$E67.12073@clgrps13...
IDIOT!

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your
boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the
anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...

Cheers,
Ellen








silverback September 17th 06 12:39 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the club
launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the dink.


What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can see
here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.


Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!

Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat and
sail off, doesn't look too professional.


Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a kedge
and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed backward
for six hours now....

Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no auxillary
off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as such... and
it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience regarding this
matter.

As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.

CM



silverback September 17th 06 12:40 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about.... so
far you don't!

....and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.




katy September 17th 06 12:41 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Jeff wrote:
wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Release painter. (How many know what that is?) Walk on dock towards
stern. Grab mainsheet near the end of boom and pull in so boat pivots
away from dock, keep stern in close. Ask novice passengers already
onboard if they want you to come along. Casually step over stern to
take helm. Slip and land on tiller, breaking it in half.

Alternate ending: realize you forgot to ship the rudder.


This happened/

silverback September 17th 06 12:41 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
How Large?

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
That might not work in a larger yacht.

You could always ring for a stewardess.

"Scotty" wrote
Push off from the bow, roll out jib, sail off, turn on AP
and hoist main, grab drink from below.

Scotty


wrote
.
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.






Capt. JG September 17th 06 12:47 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute something
useful... no, never mind.

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"j" ganz @@
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"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about....
so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the
stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.






silverback September 17th 06 12:56 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced sailor
and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a pathetic
excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot anything concerning
boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about....
so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With
a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the
stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.








Capt. JG September 17th 06 12:59 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act like
a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced sailor
and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a pathetic
excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot anything
concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.










silverback September 17th 06 01:05 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
I'm on my brother's computer you dipstick!!!

Can't you tell from the fricken handle you Gaylord!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act
like a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced
sailor and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a
pathetic excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot
anything concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.












Jeff September 17th 06 02:13 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
katy wrote:
Jeff wrote:
wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Release painter. (How many know what that is?) Walk on dock towards
stern. Grab mainsheet near the end of boom and pull in so boat pivots
away from dock, keep stern in close. Ask novice passengers already
onboard if they want you to come along. Casually step over stern to
take helm. Slip and land on tiller, breaking it in half.

Alternate ending: realize you forgot to ship the rudder.


This happened/

Actually, both have happened to me. I've only broken one tiller
leaving the dock. But I have left a few times without a rudder,
fortunately in dinks that can easily do without.

Jeff September 17th 06 02:33 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
silverback wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the club
launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the dink.


What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can see
here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!


When you sober up you might consider re-reading the original question
and all the posts in this thread. If you can't sail your boat off the
dock in the conditions stated, singlehanded, even in a 30 knot breeze,
you don't deserve to own a boat.

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.


Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!


And I conceded it could be a problem in a larger boat, but the last
few posts concerned Ellen's boat. And this thread isn't about lee
docks, I just included that because if Ellen practiced, she could
probably do it with her boat.



Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat and
sail off, doesn't look too professional.


Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a kedge
and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed backward
for six hours now....


I don't think I've ever done it for more than 30 minutes.

This thread isn't about lee docks or gale forces.


Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no auxillary
off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as such... and
it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience regarding this
matter.


This thread is actually about leaving the dock with the wind on the
bow. I've done this thousands of times in small boats and a number of
times in larger boats, even a few time with the cat when conditions
were right.



As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.


Right. You're claiming that when the wind is on the bow, a small
keelboat, or even a larger one, can't be sailed off the dock. I think
you just shown you have less experience than Bobspit. Sober up,
Mooron, and rethink your position on this one.

Jeff September 17th 06 02:47 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
silverback wrote:
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about.... so
far you don't!


In the morning it might look a bit different.

Are you really saying that if you had perhaps a sistership behind you
by 6 or 8 feet, and you had the wind on the bow, and one or two hands
to help, you couldn't sail right off the dock?


...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.


I can't help it. At least 5 or 6 of my undergraduate years were spent
studying physics.


CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.



Capt. JG September 17th 06 02:57 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
We've sailed for the better part of an hour backwards going out the Gate.
Not that I recommend it....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
silverback wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the
club launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the
dink.


What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can
see here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!


When you sober up you might consider re-reading the original question and
all the posts in this thread. If you can't sail your boat off the dock in
the conditions stated, singlehanded, even in a 30 knot breeze, you don't
deserve to own a boat.

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.


Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!


And I conceded it could be a problem in a larger boat, but the last few
posts concerned Ellen's boat. And this thread isn't about lee docks, I
just included that because if Ellen practiced, she could probably do it
with her boat.



Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat
and sail off, doesn't look too professional.


Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a
kedge and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed
backward for six hours now....


I don't think I've ever done it for more than 30 minutes.

This thread isn't about lee docks or gale forces.


Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no
auxillary off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as
such... and it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience
regarding this matter.


This thread is actually about leaving the dock with the wind on the bow.
I've done this thousands of times in small boats and a number of times in
larger boats, even a few time with the cat when conditions were right.



As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.


Right. You're claiming that when the wind is on the bow, a small
keelboat, or even a larger one, can't be sailed off the dock. I think you
just shown you have less experience than Bobspit. Sober up, Mooron, and
rethink your position on this one.




Capt. JG September 17th 06 02:58 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 
Oh, so what you're saying is that you're incapable of ignoring someone if
you're on someone elses's computer. You're just as angry, but now you don't
have a crutch.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Vi0Pg.19596$E67.16366@clgrps13...
I'm on my brother's computer you dipstick!!!

Can't you tell from the fricken handle you Gaylord!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act
like a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced
sailor and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a
pathetic excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot
anything concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.














Ellen MacArthur September 17th 06 05:17 AM

Docking Situation Question #2
 

"Jeff" wrote
| Release painter. (How many know what that is?)

I know what a painter is. It's the line to a dinghy. You cleat it to your sailboat to
tow the dinghy. I don't think a line to the front of a bigger sailboat is called a painter.


Cheers,
Ellen


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