Capt. JG wrote:
I must confess that I have limited racing experience, but it seems to
me that it's not often that a sanctioned race (committee) would
attempt to "opt out" of the colregs, wrt to boats in the race or
otherwise. Leeward no longer has status over windward on the same
tack... stuff like that? It also seems to me that the exceptions need
to be clearly defined. My impression, although possibly in error, is
that there are additional rules imposed upon boats racing, not fewer.

My understanding is that the colregs always apply (if the waters are subject
to them). I'm not aware of them being supplanted by the RRS, but that the
RRS are an addition to the colregs.


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Capt Scumbalino

Capt. Scumbalino wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

I must confess that I have limited racing experience, but it seems to
me that it's not often that a sanctioned race (committee) would
attempt to "opt out" of the colregs, wrt to boats in the race or
otherwise.

In 99.9 percent of the cases, the race committee follows the Racing
Rules of Sailing. (with perhaps a few minor modifications ) These rules
are different than non-racing right of way rules. (Colregs, etc.)

In extremely rare circumstances, the RC will opt for Colregs or local
governmental right of way rules instead of the Racing rules of sailing.

Leeward no longer has status over windward on the same
tack... stuff like that?

Yes, in some circumstances a windward boat would have right of way over
a leeward boat, or more commonly the leeward boat would have an
obligation to allow the windward boat room to do some maneuver.

It also seems to me that the exceptions need
to be clearly defined.

They are. See http://tinyurl.com/bdxvl
Not really exceptions, but a completly different set of rules.

My impression, although possibly in error, is
that there are additional rules imposed upon boats racing, not fewer.

There are additional obligations, certainly. But there are also
differences.


My understanding is that the colregs always apply (if the waters are subject
to them). I'm not aware of them being supplanted by the RRS, but that the
RRS are an addition to the colregs.

When the racing rules of sailing conflict with Colregs, IRPCAS, or
other government regulation, the RRS supplants those rules. When a boat
agrees to race she agrees to be bound by the RRS, not the other rules in
any circumstance where the rules are in conflict.

However,

When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel that is
not, she shall comply with the International Regulations for
Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government right-of-way
rules.

If you don't race, the racing rules are irrelevant to you.

//Walt

"Walt" wrote in message
...

However,

When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel
that is
not, she shall comply with the International
Regulations for
Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government
right-of-way
rules.

If you don't race, the racing rules are irrelevant to you.


I like the old story of a racer , approaching a cruising
boat, yelling ''We're racing', and the other boat yells
back, ''We're cruising'', and continues on his course.

Scotty

Scotty wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message
...
However,

When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel
that is
not, she shall comply with the International
Regulations for
Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government
right-of-way
rules.

If you don't race, the racing rules are irrelevant to you.


I like the old story of a racer , approaching a cruising
boat, yelling ''We're racing', and the other boat yells
back, ''We're cruising'', and continues on his course.

Scotty


I had that happen to me...I was in the water and the O'Day was
aground...we were trying to see how much mud we were in when a flotilla
of MC Scows comes roaring up...Mr Sails is yelling at them that I am in
the water and they screamed back "We're racing!" One zoomed by close
enough that I could have touched its hull....

"katy" wrote
| I had that happen to me...I was in the water and the O'Day was
| aground...we were trying to see how much mud we were in when a flotilla
| of MC Scows comes roaring up...Mr Sails is yelling at them that I am in
| the water and they screamed back "We're racing!" One zoomed by close
| enough that I could have touched its hull....


Your husband should've been ringing the bell with the signal for being aground.
Maybe they would've stayed further away if they knew it was shallow there.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote
| I had that happen to me...I was in the water and the O'Day was
| aground...we were trying to see how much mud we were in when a flotilla
| of MC Scows comes roaring up...Mr Sails is yelling at them that I am in
| the water and they screamed back "We're racing!" One zoomed by close
| enough that I could have touched its hull....


Your husband should've been ringing the bell with the signal for being aground.
Maybe they would've stayed further away if they knew it was shallow there.

Cheers,
Ellen
They knew it was shallow there...they draft very little....
and he did blast away on the horn...they would never have heard the bell
and most of them would have thought it was the Episcopalian church's
carollon playing the hour...it was very evident what was going on...they
just didn't care....

It's happened to all of us. The colregs are in force, and the other boat
must follow them.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message
...
However,

When a boat sailing under these rules meets a vessel
that is
not, she shall comply with the International
Regulations for
Preventing Collisions at Sea (IRPCAS) or government
right-of-way
rules.

If you don't race, the racing rules are irrelevant to you.


I like the old story of a racer , approaching a cruising
boat, yelling ''We're racing', and the other boat yells
back, ''We're cruising'', and continues on his course.

Scotty


I had that happen to me...I was in the water and the O'Day was
aground...we were trying to see how much mud we were in when a flotilla of
MC Scows comes roaring up...Mr Sails is yelling at them that I am in the
water and they screamed back "We're racing!" One zoomed by close enough
that I could have touched its hull....

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
It's happened to all of us.

Not to me.

SBV

What's your secret? Oh wait, we're talking about sailing. Never mind. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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It's happened to all of us.

Not to me.

SBV