I must confess that I have limited racing experience, but it seems to me
that it's not often that a sanctioned race (committee) would attempt to "opt
out" of the colregs, wrt to boats in the race or otherwise. Leeward no
longer has status over windward on the same tack... stuff like that? It also
seems to me that the exceptions need to be clearly defined. My impression,
although possibly in error, is that there are additional rules imposed upon
boats racing, not fewer.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
The colregs are *fully* in force when racing. The only difference is the
tolerances wrt distance and expectations.

I had the understanding that when you agreed to race you were "opting out"
of the Colregs and agreeing to abide by the racing rules. OTOH, this
obviously only applies between boats racing.

Capt. JG wrote:
I must confess that I have limited racing experience, but it seems to
me that it's not often that a sanctioned race (committee) would
attempt to "opt out" of the colregs, wrt to boats in the race or
otherwise. Leeward no longer has status over windward on the same
tack... stuff like that? It also seems to me that the exceptions need
to be clearly defined. My impression, although possibly in error, is
that there are additional rules imposed upon boats racing, not fewer.

My understanding is that the colregs always apply (if the waters are subject
to them). I'm not aware of them being supplanted by the RRS, but that the
RRS are an addition to the colregs.


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Capt Scumbalino

The overtaking boat.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
A little sailboat with no motor is on the starboard tack catching up
with another
little sailboat with no motor on the starboard tack. The one catching up
is going
on a course of 180 degrees. The one getting caught is going 208 degrees.

Which one has to change course if it looks like they're going to hit
each other?

Cheers,
Ellen

"Edgar" wrote
| The overtaking boat.


Errr! I'm afraid I have egg on my face. Your right. It IS an overtaking situation.
I was wrong. I got the 22 and 1/2 angle mixed up. I was thinking it was from the
center line at the back of the boat. Instead it's from the sideways line.
Overtaking is required to change course.


Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Edgar" wrote
| The overtaking boat.


Errr! I'm afraid I have egg on my face. Your right. It IS an overtaking situation.
I was wrong. I got the 22 and 1/2 angle mixed up. I was thinking it was from the
center line at the back of the boat. Instead it's from the sideways line.
Overtaking is required to change course.

This would be the typical case but not necessarily.

If the boats were going at similar speeds, they could be converging
from a distance and seeing each other roughly on the beam. By
jiggling the speeds, you can find the point where one sees the other
at exactly 22.5 degrees abaft the beam. The question is, could this
be considered "catching up"?

"Jeff" wrote in message
| If the boats were going at similar speeds, they could be converging
| from a distance and seeing each other roughly on the beam. By
| jiggling the speeds, you can find the point where one sees the other
| at exactly 22.5 degrees abaft the beam. The question is, could this
| be considered "catching up"?


In that case if it were dark you could see the stern light and the bow light
both at the same time. It's still overtaking. It's called two points abaft the beam.
Catching up in my vocabulary means getting closer from somewhere behind even
if it's just one degree from directly from the side (90 degrees).

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
| If the boats were going at similar speeds, they could be converging
| from a distance and seeing each other roughly on the beam. By
| jiggling the speeds, you can find the point where one sees the other
| at exactly 22.5 degrees abaft the beam. The question is, could this
| be considered "catching up"?


In that case if it were dark you could see the stern light and the bow light
both at the same time. It's still overtaking. It's called two points abaft the beam.
Catching up in my vocabulary means getting closer from somewhere behind even
if it's just one degree from directly from the side (90 degrees).

In that case, your scenario could be either overtaking or not.