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Capt. JG" wrote
Don't worry, you'll find something even better.

Looks like you might be right Jon!
Scout

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Scout wrote:
I haven't a clue Katy

So what's your wife going to call you this time? BTW, that was the same
tactic Mr Sails used to get his Bimmer....

Gloom and Despair - Seaward is dead
 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

I haven't a clue Katy, but the designer/builder and owner of the Hake
company is flying to Mexico Beach on Monday to meet me there. Please keep
all fingers crossed! The boat I'm looking at now is in the Gulf, and has all
the options I wanted in the first boat. It's a bit more money, but
definitely worth every penny. At first I thought I was going to have to
drive from Mexico Beach to Stuart Fl, but I've just been informed that all
the work they were going to do is already done! Woohoo! The inverter, high
output alternator, and SS hot water heater were all part of the original
purchase. It couldn't get any better!
I'll keep you posted.
Scout

Is that where it is? Darn, I would have liked to have looked at it.
I was there three weeks ago. Spend a couple of weeks a year in
Mexico Beach. Going back in October. Great place.

Frank


"katy" wrote in message
...
Scout wrote:
Thanks Scotty - I think I'll be driving next to Florida to visit the
Hake's!
Scout


Scotty wrote:
When I bought my boat, the sellers' broker was very
knowledgeable and helpful to me. He answered all my
questions about taxes, registration, etc. , and provided the
necessary forms.

Let me know if you want his name, Scout. He's in Georgetown
MD.

Scotty



"DSK" wrote in message
...
Yes, so long as the broker is really a pro and knows how
to
do things properly. Remember, 50% of all people are below
average intelligence, and 50% of all brokers are below
average in professional knowledge & conduct. For example,
I
have only ever talked to one broker in my life who could
clearly and accurately explain the tax obligations of
buying
a boat in our state. All the others merely hand out blithe
reassurassances which eventually land the buyer in tax
trouble. You wonder how these guys get by.

By any vhancr is that the Hake's formerly of Whitehall, MI?

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

I haven't a clue Katy, but the designer/builder and owner of the Hake
company is flying to Mexico Beach on Monday to meet me there. Please keep
all fingers crossed! The boat I'm looking at now is in the Gulf, and has
all
the options I wanted in the first boat. It's a bit more money, but
definitely worth every penny. At first I thought I was going to have to
drive from Mexico Beach to Stuart Fl, but I've just been informed that all
the work they were going to do is already done! Woohoo! The inverter, high
output alternator, and SS hot water heater were all part of the original
purchase. It couldn't get any better!
I'll keep you posted.
Scout

Is that where it is? Darn, I would have liked to have looked at it.
I was there three weeks ago. Spend a couple of weeks a year in
Mexico Beach. Going back in October. Great place.

Frank

Actually at Port St Joe Marina. I'll be there bright and early Monday morn.
More likely - Sunday night.
Scout

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:16 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

I haven't a clue Katy, but the designer/builder and owner of the Hake
company is flying to Mexico Beach on Monday to meet me there. Please keep
all fingers crossed! The boat I'm looking at now is in the Gulf, and has
all
the options I wanted in the first boat. It's a bit more money, but
definitely worth every penny. At first I thought I was going to have to
drive from Mexico Beach to Stuart Fl, but I've just been informed that all
the work they were going to do is already done! Woohoo! The inverter, high
output alternator, and SS hot water heater were all part of the original
purchase. It couldn't get any better!
I'll keep you posted.
Scout

Is that where it is? Darn, I would have liked to have looked at it.
I was there three weeks ago. Spend a couple of weeks a year in
Mexico Beach. Going back in October. Great place.

Frank

Actually at Port St Joe Marina. I'll be there bright and early Monday morn.
More likely - Sunday night.
Scout



Went by there when I was down. Walked the piers. Seaward must have
been out, didn't see it.

But now I'm fairly sure it must have been the one I saw sailing up to
the point on Cape San Blas.

At any rate, have a good trip, hope it works out.

Frank

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:16 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:22:00 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

I haven't a clue Katy, but the designer/builder and owner of the Hake
company is flying to Mexico Beach on Monday to meet me there. Please
keep
all fingers crossed! The boat I'm looking at now is in the Gulf, and has
all
the options I wanted in the first boat. It's a bit more money, but
definitely worth every penny. At first I thought I was going to have to
drive from Mexico Beach to Stuart Fl, but I've just been informed that
all
the work they were going to do is already done! Woohoo! The inverter,
high
output alternator, and SS hot water heater were all part of the original
purchase. It couldn't get any better!
I'll keep you posted.
Scout

Is that where it is? Darn, I would have liked to have looked at it.
I was there three weeks ago. Spend a couple of weeks a year in
Mexico Beach. Going back in October. Great place.

Frank

Actually at Port St Joe Marina. I'll be there bright and early Monday
morn.
More likely - Sunday night.
Scout



Went by there when I was down. Walked the piers. Seaward must have
been out, didn't see it.

But now I'm fairly sure it must have been the one I saw sailing up to
the point on Cape San Blas.

At any rate, have a good trip, hope it works out.

Frank

Thanks Frank.
I'm hoping this is the one too. I'm also hoping she didn't suffer any real
damage during the storms last year. Time will tell.
Scout

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:32:01 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

It looks like the deal on my Seaward is dead. Two significant occurrences
took place.

1. The small issue: The current owner informed me that he was keeping the
anchor, docking lines, and bumpers because he needs them for his "next
boat." It just seemed petty. I drove 8 hours to look at the boat, and felt
that that would have been a good time to let me know which things I was
inspecting weren't staying. More of a tell-tale, but no real big deal.
However, when someone is handing you a check for your asking price of
nearly $50K, is it then prudent to let the buyer know that you didn't mean
to imply that the necessary hardware stays with the boat?

2. The big issue: the current owner wants me to pay off his loan on the
boat and wait 2 weeks for the bank to clear the lien and produce the
title. I'm not big on finance but it didn't feel right to be in limbo for
2 weeks. Can I sail the boat? Get it insured? Since I am essentially
giving the current owner cash, I feel very vulnerable. I think he is an
honest guy but too much can happen in two weeks, and I don't have the time
or financial and legal expertise to make it work comfortably for me. I
know it can be done, but the physical miles between us and the small
details will surely become a burden.

Major bummer. Back to the Google Board! ****!

Scout

Sorry to hear that Scout. I think you should go check out the Seaward
message board at Trailersailor.com immediately, as the seller has
taken the case public there, and hasn't exactly represented your side
of the story accurately.

CWM

Charile,
Thanks for your input with the other group. I feel badly but I think both of
us will eventually get a good deal.
Scout

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 12 Sep 2006 06:20:10 -0700, "Scout" wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:32:01 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

It looks like the deal on my Seaward is dead. Two significant
occurrences took place.

1. The small issue: The current owner informed me that he was keeping
the anchor, docking lines, and bumpers because he needs them for his
"next boat." It just seemed petty. I drove 8 hours to look at the boat,
and felt that that would have been a good time to let me know which
things I was inspecting weren't staying. More of a tell-tale, but no
real big deal. However, when someone is handing you a check for your
asking price of nearly $50K, is it then prudent to let the buyer know
that you didn't mean to imply that the necessary hardware stays with
the boat?

2. The big issue: the current owner wants me to pay off his loan on the
boat and wait 2 weeks for the bank to clear the lien and produce the
title. I'm not big on finance but it didn't feel right to be in limbo
for 2 weeks. Can I sail the boat? Get it insured? Since I am
essentially giving the current owner cash, I feel very vulnerable. I
think he is an honest guy but too much can happen in two weeks, and I
don't have the time or financial and legal expertise to make it work
comfortably for me. I know it can be done, but the physical miles
between us and the small details will surely become a burden.

Major bummer. Back to the Google Board! ****!

Scout

Sorry to hear that Scout. I think you should go check out the Seaward
message board at Trailersailor.com immediately, as the seller has
taken the case public there, and hasn't exactly represented your side
of the story accurately.

CWM
Thanks Charlie,
Very interesting reading. The responders seem to feel I am somehow
planning something illegal or immoral by handing over cash (certified
check from Wachovia) and expecting a title. I also note that the seller
fails to explain that none of these things (the lien, and the items he
is keeping) were mentioned to me during the inspection, only later,
after I had made the deposit and wanted to arrange a swap date. I
believe the seller is an honest guy, as I am, but we are both
know-nothings with the legal stuff. In spite of his honest intentions,
if he messes up I don't want to pay for the mistake. I'd rather pay a
broker's fee, as I did with my last purchase, so everything is above
board and lega. It's fine to take the sell-it-yourself approach, but
the seller should be prepared to do it correctly, which begins with a
total and honest disclosure to the prospective buyer. I still believe
he means well, but we are both dabbling in an area where professional
help may be called for. Even if I felt safe with the deal, how many
times should I have to make the 8 hour drive to close this deal?
Scout

Just curious, Scout... Did the seller mention anything interesting
about his keel?

CWM

Only that it needs to be dropped some even while motoring.
Scout

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:04:51 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..
On 12 Sep 2006 06:20:10 -0700, "Scout" wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:32:01 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

It looks like the deal on my Seaward is dead. Two significant
occurrences took place.

1. The small issue: The current owner informed me that he was keeping
the anchor, docking lines, and bumpers because he needs them for his
"next boat." It just seemed petty. I drove 8 hours to look at the
boat,
and felt that that would have been a good time to let me know which
things I was inspecting weren't staying. More of a tell-tale, but no
real big deal. However, when someone is handing you a check for your
asking price of nearly $50K, is it then prudent to let the buyer know
that you didn't mean to imply that the necessary hardware stays with
the boat?

2. The big issue: the current owner wants me to pay off his loan on
the
boat and wait 2 weeks for the bank to clear the lien and produce the
title. I'm not big on finance but it didn't feel right to be in limbo
for 2 weeks. Can I sail the boat? Get it insured? Since I am
essentially giving the current owner cash, I feel very vulnerable. I
think he is an honest guy but too much can happen in two weeks, and I
don't have the time or financial and legal expertise to make it work
comfortably for me. I know it can be done, but the physical miles
between us and the small details will surely become a burden.

Major bummer. Back to the Google Board! ****!

Scout

Sorry to hear that Scout. I think you should go check out the Seaward
message board at Trailersailor.com immediately, as the seller has
taken the case public there, and hasn't exactly represented your side
of the story accurately.

CWM
Thanks Charlie,
Very interesting reading. The responders seem to feel I am somehow
planning something illegal or immoral by handing over cash (certified
check from Wachovia) and expecting a title. I also note that the seller
fails to explain that none of these things (the lien, and the items he
is keeping) were mentioned to me during the inspection, only later,
after I had made the deposit and wanted to arrange a swap date. I
believe the seller is an honest guy, as I am, but we are both
know-nothings with the legal stuff. In spite of his honest intentions,
if he messes up I don't want to pay for the mistake. I'd rather pay a
broker's fee, as I did with my last purchase, so everything is above
board and lega. It's fine to take the sell-it-yourself approach, but
the seller should be prepared to do it correctly, which begins with a
total and honest disclosure to the prospective buyer. I still believe
he means well, but we are both dabbling in an area where professional
help may be called for. Even if I felt safe with the deal, how many
times should I have to make the 8 hour drive to close this deal?
Scout

Just curious, Scout... Did the seller mention anything interesting
about his keel?

CWM

Only that it needs to be dropped some even while motoring.
Scout


Someone on that message board reminded me that it was that same guy who
hit
something VERY hard and destroyed the keel. This was all quite a while
ago, and
I might have some of the details a little off, but the keel on that boat
is not
as old as the rest of the boat. The boat was under warrantee, and he tried
to
claim the bulb simply "fell off" after a soft grounding or something. Hake
Yachts, rather than seem like they were a bunch of meanies, trucked the
boat to
the shop and installed a whole new keel.

Maybe the deal falling through was your lucky break after all!

Good luck with the boat in Florida.

CWM

Holy Sheeeiiittt! Wow wow wowzee!
Thanks Charlie, I might hit the lottery after that one!!
Scout

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"Scout" wrote in message
. ..


Someone on that message board reminded me that it was
that same guy who
hit
something VERY hard and destroyed the keel. This was all
quite a while
ago, and
I might have some of the details a little off, but the
keel on that boat
is not
as old as the rest of the boat. The boat was under
warrantee, and he tried
to
claim the bulb simply "fell off" after a soft grounding
or something. Hake
Yachts, rather than seem like they were a bunch of
meanies, trucked the
boat to
the shop and installed a whole new keel.

Maybe the deal falling through was your lucky break
after all!

Good luck with the boat in Florida.

CWM

Holy Sheeeiiittt! Wow wow wowzee!
Thanks Charlie, I might hit the lottery after that one!!
Scout


I realize that "Charlie" thinks of himself as a detective
( well he is a dick) , the guy broke the keel guides while
putting the boat on the trailer. he was too far in the
water.

Scotty