Seamanship Question #33
 

Do you know the ropes? One who know sthe ropes
is someone who knows the standards for running rigging
tallships, but it also applies to sloops, ketches, yawls
and schooner.

What side the the "standard" side, port or starboard,
to lead and cleat off halyards:

1. Jib halyard
2. Main halyard

For a Schooner or a gaff rig:

3. Peak Halyard
4. Throat Halyard

Seamanship Question #33
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Do you know the ropes? One who know sthe ropes
is someone who knows the standards for running rigging
tallships, but it also applies to sloops, ketches, yawls
and schooner.

What side the the "standard" side, port or starboard,
to lead and cleat off halyards:


too easy (actually I was always a catboat sailor at heart!)
1. Jib halyard
2. Main halyard


I'll just do the tough part.

For a Schooner or a gaff rig:

3. Peak Halyard
Starboard


4. Throat Halyard
Port

Seamanship Question #33
 

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote

| Do you know the ropes? One who know sthe ropes
| is someone who knows the standards for running rigging
| tallships, but it also applies to sloops, ketches, yawls
| and schooner.
|
| What side the the "standard" side, port or starboard,
| to lead and cleat off halyards:
|
| 1. Jib halyard
| 2. Main halyard
|
| For a Schooner or a gaff rig:
|
| 3. Peak Halyard
| 4. Throat Halyard


That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it right is Googling it. Unless they happened
to work or train on a tall ship.

Cheers,
Ellen

Seamanship Question #33
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:

That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it right is
Googling it. Unless they happened to work or train on a tall ship.

He said that it also applies to other types of boats. I have no idea what
the standard is, but my limited experience suggests to me that the main
halyard is to starboard, and the jib halyard is to port. I don't know about
the bits pertaining to boats that aren't sloops. (At best, I'll get half a
point...)


--
Capt Scumbalino

Seamanship Question #33
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Bart Senior" .@. wrote

| Do you know the ropes? One who know sthe ropes
| is someone who knows the standards for running rigging
| tallships, but it also applies to sloops, ketches, yawls
| and schooner.
|
| What side the the "standard" side, port or starboard,
| to lead and cleat off halyards:
|
| 1. Jib halyard
| 2. Main halyard
|
| For a Schooner or a gaff rig:
|
| 3. Peak Halyard
| 4. Throat Halyard


That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it right is Googling it. Unless they happened
to work or train on a tall ship.

Cheers,
Ellen
Actually, this is not that easy to Google, since details on this level
are not often posted on the web. I sure you'd find lots of sites
the describe how a particular boat is setup, but there is no standard
for modern boats. For example, my current boat is setup the opposite
of what I think is that traditional setup.

As for requiring tall ship experience to understand gaff rigs, there
are still a number of small gaff rig boats being sold, and for the
most part they conform to the traditional position for the peak and
throat halyards. My current thinking is that my next sailboat will be
a traditionally rigged catboat.

Seamanship Question #33
 

Capt. Scumbalino wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it right is
Googling it. Unless they happened to work or train on a tall ship.

He said that it also applies to other types of boats. I have no idea what
the standard is, but my limited experience suggests to me that the main
halyard is to starboard, and the jib halyard is to port. I don't know about
the bits pertaining to boats that aren't sloops. (At best, I'll get half a
point...)


Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Seamanship Question #33
 

katy wrote:

Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Bang goes that theory, then...


--
Capt Scumbalino

Seamanship Question #33
 

Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Scumbalino wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it
right is
Googling it. Unless they happened to work or train on a
tall ship.
He said that it also applies to other types of boats. I
have no idea what
the standard is, but my limited experience suggests to
me that the main
halyard is to starboard, and the jib halyard is to port.
I don't know about
the bits pertaining to boats that aren't sloops. (At
best, I'll get half a
point...)


Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on the starboard side
also.....

Seamanship Question #33
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Scumbalino wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it
right is
Googling it. Unless they happened to work or train on a
tall ship.

He said that it also applies to other types of boats. I
have no idea what
the standard is, but my limited experience suggests to
me that the main
halyard is to starboard, and the jib halyard is to port.
I don't know about
the bits pertaining to boats that aren't sloops. (At
best, I'll get half a
point...)


Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty

Seamanship Question #33
 

katy wrote:

Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on the starboard side
also.....


Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard), including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops, what about
yours Dave?

Cheers
Marty
------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------
For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install,
fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class
installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow!
---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ----

Seamanship Question #33
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:

Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on the
starboard side
also.....


Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard),
including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops,
what about
yours Dave?


I only have one winch. All lines led to cockpit, through
clutches, to that winch.

Scotty

Seamanship Question #33
 

Scotty wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:
Our main is to port and jib to starboard...
Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on the
starboard side
also.....

Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard),
including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops,
what about
yours Dave?


I only have one winch. All lines led to cockpit, through
clutches, to that winch.

Scotty




Where's that winch located? Seems like you would have angle problems...

Seamanship Question #33
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:
Our main is to port and jib to starboard...
Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on
the
starboard side
also.....

Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard),
including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French
sloops,
what about
yours Dave?


I only have one winch. All lines led to cockpit,
through
clutches, to that winch.

Scotty




Where's that winch located? Seems like you would have
angle problems...

Port coachroof. They exit the mast, run through a turning
block, then the clutche, and to the winch. Not the best
photos but these show it.


http://community.webshots.com/album/554094220eqXiTh

[I
MG]http://thumb1.webshots.net/t/28/28/6/25/69/21396256900938
94541jlhjyJ_th.jpg[/IMG]

Seamanship Question #33
 

Mine also... main is on port.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:

Our main is to port and jib to starboard...

Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on the starboard side
also.....


Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard), including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops, what about
yours Dave?

Cheers
Marty
------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------
For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install,
fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class
installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow!
---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ----

Seamanship Question #33
 

Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
katy wrote:
Our main is to port and jib to starboard...
Mine are both to port (internal halyards)

Scotty


Ours are internal also...the spinnaker halyard is on
the
starboard side
also.....
Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard),
including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French
sloops,
what about
yours Dave?

I only have one winch. All lines led to cockpit,
through
clutches, to that winch.

Scotty




Where's that winch located? Seems like you would have
angle problems...

Port coachroof. They exit the mast, run through a turning
block, then the clutche, and to the winch. Not the best
photos but these show it.


http://community.webshots.com/album/554094220eqXiTh

[I
MG]http://thumb1.webshots.net/t/28/28/6/25/69/21396256900938
94541jlhjyJ_th.jpg[/IMG]






hmmm...I think I'd be installing another wunch on the starboard side and
rerouting some of the snarl....

Seamanship Question #33
 

"katy" wrote in message
...

http://community.webshots.com/album/554094220eqXiTh


[I

MG]http://thumb1.webshots.net/t/28/28/6/25/69/21396256900938
94541jlhjyJ_th.jpg[/IMG]






hmmm...I think I'd be installing another wunch on the
starboard side and
rerouting some of the snarl....

It's knot as bad as it looks.

Scotty

Seamanship Question #33
 

Dave wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:40:29 -0400, Martin Baxter said:

Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard), including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops, what about
yours Dave?

Main to port. Jib to starboard. Spinnaker to port. I recall reading that
more commonly the main and jib are the other way, but never saw any good
reason to change them.

I've heard people comment that their boat tends to sail better on one
side than the other. I wonder if the halyard placement has anything to
do with that?

Seamanship Question #33
 

Well, let's see... if one wants to retain some rights when raising your jib,
it seems like the jib should be on the starboard side, since if the main is
up, that means you might be sailing. Thus, you would be on a starboard tack
and have more rights. The main typically goes up first, but you have the
engine engaged, so it doesn't matter.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:40:29 -0400, Martin Baxter said:

Mine's the same Katy (main to port, jib on starboard), including the
spin halyard! Maybe it's just Canadian and French sloops, what about
yours Dave?

Main to port. Jib to starboard. Spinnaker to port. I recall reading that
more commonly the main and jib are the other way, but never saw any good
reason to change them.

Seamanship Question #33
 

katy wrote:

I've heard people comment that their boat tends to sail better on one
side than the other. I wonder if the halyard placement has anything to
do with that?

No, its the cut of the sail.

Seamanship Question #33
 

2 pts Jeff

Jeff wrote:
Bart Senior wrote:
Do you know the ropes? One who know sthe ropes
is someone who knows the standards for running rigging
tallships, but it also applies to sloops, ketches, yawls
and schooner.

What side the the "standard" side, port or starboard,
to lead and cleat off halyards:


too easy (actually I was always a catboat sailor at heart!)
1. Jib halyard
2. Main halyard


I'll just do the tough part.

For a Schooner or a gaff rig:

3. Peak Halyard
Starboard


4. Throat Halyard
Port

Seamanship Question #33
 

I've seen discrepancies in this area,
however, in most cases you will find the jib halyard
to port and main to starboard.

2 points to Capt S.

BTW, It never a bad idea to label you halyards. Ever sail on an
unlabeled boat? In particular a complicated one?



Capt. Scumbalino wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

That's not a fair question. Anybody who gets it right is
Googling it. Unless they happened to work or train on a tall ship.

He said that it also applies to other types of boats. I have no idea what
the standard is, but my limited experience suggests to me that the main
halyard is to starboard, and the jib halyard is to port. I don't know about
the bits pertaining to boats that aren't sloops. (At best, I'll get half a
point...)


--
Capt Scumbalino

Seamanship Question #33
 

Have you got any picture of it?

"Charlie Morgan" wrote

wrote:

BTW, It never a bad idea to label you halyards. Ever sail on an
unlabeled boat? In particular a complicated one?


When I was a kid, I had a very beat up wooden, single floor, (Hey, that's
what
they called it!) Flying Dutchman that I bought for $150. It needed a LOT
of
work. At least it had a usable main, jib, and spin. Since we were kids,
and
money was tight, every line in the whole boat was eventually clothesline!
It
could get VERY confusing in that spagetti factory. Ever sail one? Despite
the
fact that mine was a total piece of junk, I still miss it and even tried
to buy
another one last year. Missed it by hours.

CWM

Seamanship Question #33
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Have you got any picture of it?

"Charlie Morgan" wrote

wrote:

BTW, It never a bad idea to label you halyards. Ever sail on an
unlabeled boat? In particular a complicated one?

When I was a kid, I had a very beat up wooden, single floor, (Hey, that's
what
they called it!) Flying Dutchman that I bought for $150. It needed a LOT
of
work. At least it had a usable main, jib, and spin. Since we were kids,
and
money was tight, every line in the whole boat was eventually clothesline!
It
could get VERY confusing in that spagetti factory. Ever sail one? Despite
the
fact that mine was a total piece of junk, I still miss it and even tried
to buy
another one last year. Missed it by hours.

CWM


Mr Sails had a Flying Dutchman when he lived in FL (previous to me)..he
loved that boat bu said it could be a royal PUTA....(no...that isn't a
typo...)

Seamanship Question #33
 

I have a PIMA. She hates me when I call her that.

"katy" wrote

Mr Sails had a Flying Dutchman when he lived in FL (previous to me)..he
loved that boat bu said it could be a royal PUTA....(no...that isn't a
typo...)

Seamanship Question #33
 

Bart Senior wrote:
I have a PIMA. She hates me when I call her that.

"katy" wrote
Mr Sails had a Flying Dutchman when he lived in FL (previous to me)..he
loved that boat bu said it could be a royal PUTA....(no...that isn't a
typo...)


She doesn't know?

Seamanship Question #33
 

Of course she does. She calls me the same thing. The only
difference I use the acronym, she doesn't.

"katy" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:
I have a PIMA. She hates me when I call her that.

"katy" wrote
Mr Sails had a Flying Dutchman when he lived in FL (previous to me)..he
loved that boat bu said it could be a royal PUTA....(no...that isn't a
typo...)


She doesn't know?