Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
|
| And why is this a problem? There are plenty of useful newsgroups and
| forums, but there is only one ASA.

It's a problem because this is one of the FEW public newsgroups about sailing

Wrong - there appear to be just the right number. For example,
alt.sailing is read by many of the same people but gets very little
traffic. Why is that? It would seem there is "room to post" but
people don't need it. You're acting as though there are a limited
number of forums available, and one is being wasted.

and it's pretty much been taken over by a small group of immature and bully
people.

Not counted the flonkers (a recent invasion), the group here is
largely unchanged for at least the last 7 or 8 years, maybe longer.
Maybe the original ASA people have a legitimate claim that they were
"usurped," but you don't.

They think it's just peachy to post whatever they want. They disrupt on
purpose people here who'd really like to read about sailing.

Were you disrupted??? You seem to be going along just fine.

(Errr, alt.sailing.asa
isn't alt.politics, alt. wartalk, alt. babytalk, alt.racetrack. etc...) How selfish are
people who spoil the sailing talk with their off topic junk? Are they too wimpy to
actually go to alt.politics? Afraid they can't cut it? Rather disrupt than discuss?

You are perfectly free to ignore anything.

I think so.

No. Are you saying that everyone who has an opinion about politics
should voice it on a political forum? Or if I care about a football
game I can't mention it to a sailing buddy?

I have a number of friends where the historical foundation of our
relationship has been our common love of sailing. However, our
conversations generally are about other topics.


Is there a consensus that alt.sailing.asa is supposed to be a hang-out for the
immature off-topic trouble makers who delight in being asses?

I fail to understand why you are so concerned about "off topic" posts.
There are a few here that are perhaps more on topic (by your
definition) but are assholes. That would seem to be a bigger problem.

Wouldn't you and
responsible others like to see more sailing discussed here. I sure would.

And yet, I don't see you posting in other forums; what perverse thrill
attracts you here? Do you have a need to "cure" people you think need
curing?

I can
read bully babies in just about any public newsgroup. Are you happy to see what
should be a public forum turned into a private bashfest? I'm not. It shouldn't be
that way. Mature people should have a public forum to discuss sailing, don't you
think? Isn't it plain rude for certain people to disrupt the legitimate activities of
others? Would you go to a funeral and do a strip-tease? There's a time and place
for everything.

By definition, now is the time and here is the place.



| Are you claiming yours is "sensible talk"? It sounds a lot more like
| whining.

Your entitled to your opinion but why side with the bullies? Have you been
poisoned by their rude and selfish behavior. If you think it's cool to act like
that then your also part of the problem. Why can't everybody be civil and
stop stepping on the legitimate topic of this newsgroup?

Who says I'm siding with the bullies? Is your world so simple that if
I don't agree with you I'm the enemy?

As I've said, there are flonkers that I don't notice because they're
in the bozo bin, there are assholes that I generally don't bother
responding to, and here are also many conversations that I don't
participate in. But this doesn't stop me from reading often and
posting on occasion.

BTW, the original post that started this thread was completely off
topic, but it happened to be of interest to me and so I appreciated
it. No harm, no foul.



| Why are you so insistent that there is a problem? I admit that the
| flonkers are a nuisance, but that's what kill files are for.
| Otherwise, everyone is free to say what they want.

I have to wade through and delete fifty off-topic posts that go on and on just
to get to a couple of sailing related posts. Should a sailing newsgroup be like that?
No, it shouldn't and you know it.

Why do you keep insisting that this is a "sailing newsgroup." This is
a group where most of the participants are sailors. There's a big
difference.



| Just about the only power we have is to ignore posters we don't like.
| Now you're complaining because Thom is doing that. You're a real
| piece of work.

You seem to have an odd sense of what complaining is. I could care less if
Tom ever read my posts. He's a nobody. He hasn't a clue.

No, you haven't a clue. To the folks here, Thom is a very important
somebody. You, on the other hand, are a nobody so far.

Hypocrite! What does he
post about sailing? Scarce few!

Why don't you do a little research and see how much sailing content
Thom has provided over the years?

And you? Do you really enjoy wading through so many
off topic posts? Childish posturing? Immature squabbling? Excessive thumb-sucking?

Sounds like a typical family get-together! What's the matter, are you
against families?

I don't think you do even if you won't admit it.

I do tend to ignore most of the long political rants, though
occasionally I get sucked into one. Frankly, its handy to always be
able to find out what the average conservation jackass or liberal bozo
is thinking. OTOH, there's been a thread on the perfect tea kettle
for a boat over on rec.boats.cruising that I've had to ignore. Which
is worse?

"Jeff" wrote
(deleted too much denial and stupidity)

This news group is called alt.sailing.asa. It has a charter. It's supposed to be
about sailing.
Those who abuse that charter are rude and taking rights from those who wish to
go and have every right to go by the rules of the charter. If you want to talk about
football go to a game or to your sports bar. If you want to talk about sailing come here
or go sailing. Don't come here and **** all over people who're here for sailing discussion.
Just who do you think you are?
If you've got nothing to say about sailing just read about it for a change. You might
learn something.
You and others like you have run most of the sailors off. What sailor wants to hang with
a bunch of selfish babies? Maybe if you and others start acting like adults sailors might
come back. Otherwise it's hopeless. I hope you are proud of yourself for helping to make
alt.sailing.asa practically useless as a sailing forum.
If you can't understand this simple fact then you're not worth talking to anymore.
Your part of the problem. Try to deny. Try to change the subject but the fact is
your part of the problem.

End of conversation.

Cheers,
Ellen

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Jeff" wrote
(deleted too much denial and stupidity)

This news group is called alt.sailing.asa. It has a charter. It's
supposed to be
about sailing.

Fine. My suggestion to you would be to endeavor to remake ASA in your own
preference. Of course you don't stand a chance in Hell of doing so, but it
might be fun to watch you self-flagellate and make a fool of yourself in the
attempt.

Those who abuse that charter are rude and taking rights from those who
wish to
go and have every right to go by the rules of the charter.

More correctly, those who abuse the regulars are rude and attempting, in
futility, to take the rights from those who wish to continue this newsgroup
in the manner it has proceeded for many long years.

If you want to talk about
football go to a game or to your sports bar.

How amusing. The number one topic of discussion at the local yacht club
this weekend was football.

If you want to talk about sailing come here
or go sailing. Don't come here and **** all over people who're here for
sailing discussion.
Just who do you think you are?

Might I pose the same query to you.

If you've got nothing to say about sailing just read about it for a
change. You might
learn something.
You and others like you have run most of the sailors off. What sailor
wants to hang with
a bunch of selfish babies? Maybe if you and others start acting like
adults sailors might
come back. Otherwise it's hopeless. I hope you are proud of yourself for
helping to make
alt.sailing.asa practically useless as a sailing forum.
If you can't understand this simple fact then you're not worth talking
to anymore.
Your part of the problem. Try to deny. Try to change the subject but the
fact is
your part of the problem.

End of conversation.

Promise?

Max

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
(deleted too much denial and stupidity)

This news group is called alt.sailing.asa. It has a charter. It's supposed to be
about sailing.

Are you sure about that? I haven't found the original charter, but
the oft-posted FAQ states that:

"alt.sailing.asa was begun by the American Sailing Association in 1990
as a forum for the exchange of ideas by people who share an interest
in the sport and lifestyle of sailing."

It does not say every post must be about sailing, only that those who
post should share that interest.


Those who abuse that charter are rude and taking rights from those who wish to
go and have every right to go by the rules of the charter. If you want to talk about
football go to a game or to your sports bar. If you want to talk about sailing come here
or go sailing. Don't come here and **** all over people who're here for sailing discussion.

Wrong, Ellen. Read the FAQ. One thing it is explicit about is that
no one, including you, has the right to moderate the group.

Just who do you think you are?

I know who I am. I'm not the moderator, and thus generally do not
complain about other posts.

Who are you?

If you've got nothing to say about sailing just read about it for a change. You might
learn something.

I wouldn't learn much from you - you've made over 50 posts and maybe 5
or 6 are even remotely related to sailing. Even those are just
complaining that others are wasting time discussing non-sailing things
like batteries and PFD's. And what kind of asshole tells someone who
just bought a boat that for a little more money he could get a better one?

You and others like you have run most of the sailors off.

Maybe you should look at my previous posts. Show me one that could be
interpreted that way. Also, tell me what percentage of my posts are
not boating related. You could also look in rec.boats.cruising, which
many here consider an adjacent room in the same building. (Kinda like
the dining room to our bar.)

If anyone has been "run off" recently it was by the flonkers, who were
invited here by another alleged woman who thought she knew what was
best for the group.

What sailor wants to hang with
a bunch of selfish babies?

You tell me - why are you here?

Maybe if you and others start acting like adults sailors might
come back. Otherwise it's hopeless. I hope you are proud of yourself for helping to make
alt.sailing.asa practically useless as a sailing forum.

Explain please, what have I done?

If you can't understand this simple fact then you're not worth talking to anymore.
Your part of the problem. Try to deny. Try to change the subject but the fact is
your part of the problem.

Sorry, Ellen, you really screwed this one. All the people you've
attacked have been the ones that actually mostly discuss boating. And
90% of your posts have been off topic. And you claim I'm the problem???

You're not the moderator? Damn it...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote (deleted too much denial and stupidity)

This news group is called alt.sailing.asa. It has a charter. It's
supposed to be about sailing.

Are you sure about that? I haven't found the original charter, but the
oft-posted FAQ states that:

"alt.sailing.asa was begun by the American Sailing Association in 1990 as
a forum for the exchange of ideas by people who share an interest in the
sport and lifestyle of sailing."

It does not say every post must be about sailing, only that those who post
should share that interest.


Those who abuse that charter are rude and taking rights from those
who wish to
go and have every right to go by the rules of the charter. If you want
to talk about football go to a game or to your sports bar. If you want to
talk about sailing come here
or go sailing. Don't come here and **** all over people who're here for
sailing discussion.

Wrong, Ellen. Read the FAQ. One thing it is explicit about is that no
one, including you, has the right to moderate the group.

Just who do you think you are?

I know who I am. I'm not the moderator, and thus generally do not
complain about other posts.

Who are you?

If you've got nothing to say about sailing just read about it for a
change. You might learn something.

I wouldn't learn much from you - you've made over 50 posts and maybe 5 or
6 are even remotely related to sailing. Even those are just complaining
that others are wasting time discussing non-sailing things like batteries
and PFD's. And what kind of asshole tells someone who just bought a boat
that for a little more money he could get a better one?

You and others like you have run most of the sailors off.

Maybe you should look at my previous posts. Show me one that could be
interpreted that way. Also, tell me what percentage of my posts are not
boating related. You could also look in rec.boats.cruising, which many
here consider an adjacent room in the same building. (Kinda like the
dining room to our bar.)

If anyone has been "run off" recently it was by the flonkers, who were
invited here by another alleged woman who thought she knew what was best
for the group.

What sailor wants to hang with a bunch of selfish babies?

You tell me - why are you here?

Maybe if you and others start acting like adults sailors might come back.
Otherwise it's hopeless. I hope you are proud of yourself for helping to
make
alt.sailing.asa practically useless as a sailing forum.

Explain please, what have I done?

If you can't understand this simple fact then you're not worth
talking to anymore.
Your part of the problem. Try to deny. Try to change the subject but the
fact is
your part of the problem.

Sorry, Ellen, you really screwed this one. All the people you've attacked
have been the ones that actually mostly discuss boating. And 90% of your
posts have been off topic. And you claim I'm the problem???