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"DSK" wrote
| However on one point I agree with her: this is an
| easily-found public forum which is mostly intended for
| discussing sailing.


I gave you credit for being intelligent and you proved me right. Thanks Doug.
Really, if you think of the solution to the problem it only involves embracing
the golden rule. Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. It's right and
it works. Too bad little kids can't seem to fathom it. Fathom's the sailing
reference. :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
|
| And why is this a problem? There are plenty of useful newsgroups and
| forums, but there is only one ASA.

It's a problem because this is one of the FEW public newsgroups about sailing

Wrong - there appear to be just the right number. For example,
alt.sailing is read by many of the same people but gets very little
traffic. Why is that? It would seem there is "room to post" but
people don't need it. You're acting as though there are a limited
number of forums available, and one is being wasted.

and it's pretty much been taken over by a small group of immature and bully
people.

Not counted the flonkers (a recent invasion), the group here is
largely unchanged for at least the last 7 or 8 years, maybe longer.
Maybe the original ASA people have a legitimate claim that they were
"usurped," but you don't.

They think it's just peachy to post whatever they want. They disrupt on
purpose people here who'd really like to read about sailing.

Were you disrupted??? You seem to be going along just fine.

(Errr, alt.sailing.asa
isn't alt.politics, alt. wartalk, alt. babytalk, alt.racetrack. etc...) How selfish are
people who spoil the sailing talk with their off topic junk? Are they too wimpy to
actually go to alt.politics? Afraid they can't cut it? Rather disrupt than discuss?

You are perfectly free to ignore anything.

I think so.

No. Are you saying that everyone who has an opinion about politics
should voice it on a political forum? Or if I care about a football
game I can't mention it to a sailing buddy?

I have a number of friends where the historical foundation of our
relationship has been our common love of sailing. However, our
conversations generally are about other topics.


Is there a consensus that alt.sailing.asa is supposed to be a hang-out for the
immature off-topic trouble makers who delight in being asses?

I fail to understand why you are so concerned about "off topic" posts.
There are a few here that are perhaps more on topic (by your
definition) but are assholes. That would seem to be a bigger problem.

Wouldn't you and
responsible others like to see more sailing discussed here. I sure would.

And yet, I don't see you posting in other forums; what perverse thrill
attracts you here? Do you have a need to "cure" people you think need
curing?

I can
read bully babies in just about any public newsgroup. Are you happy to see what
should be a public forum turned into a private bashfest? I'm not. It shouldn't be
that way. Mature people should have a public forum to discuss sailing, don't you
think? Isn't it plain rude for certain people to disrupt the legitimate activities of
others? Would you go to a funeral and do a strip-tease? There's a time and place
for everything.

By definition, now is the time and here is the place.



| Are you claiming yours is "sensible talk"? It sounds a lot more like
| whining.

Your entitled to your opinion but why side with the bullies? Have you been
poisoned by their rude and selfish behavior. If you think it's cool to act like
that then your also part of the problem. Why can't everybody be civil and
stop stepping on the legitimate topic of this newsgroup?

Who says I'm siding with the bullies? Is your world so simple that if
I don't agree with you I'm the enemy?

As I've said, there are flonkers that I don't notice because they're
in the bozo bin, there are assholes that I generally don't bother
responding to, and here are also many conversations that I don't
participate in. But this doesn't stop me from reading often and
posting on occasion.

BTW, the original post that started this thread was completely off
topic, but it happened to be of interest to me and so I appreciated
it. No harm, no foul.



| Why are you so insistent that there is a problem? I admit that the
| flonkers are a nuisance, but that's what kill files are for.
| Otherwise, everyone is free to say what they want.

I have to wade through and delete fifty off-topic posts that go on and on just
to get to a couple of sailing related posts. Should a sailing newsgroup be like that?
No, it shouldn't and you know it.

Why do you keep insisting that this is a "sailing newsgroup." This is
a group where most of the participants are sailors. There's a big
difference.



| Just about the only power we have is to ignore posters we don't like.
| Now you're complaining because Thom is doing that. You're a real
| piece of work.

You seem to have an odd sense of what complaining is. I could care less if
Tom ever read my posts. He's a nobody. He hasn't a clue.

No, you haven't a clue. To the folks here, Thom is a very important
somebody. You, on the other hand, are a nobody so far.

Hypocrite! What does he
post about sailing? Scarce few!

Why don't you do a little research and see how much sailing content
Thom has provided over the years?

And you? Do you really enjoy wading through so many
off topic posts? Childish posturing? Immature squabbling? Excessive thumb-sucking?

Sounds like a typical family get-together! What's the matter, are you
against families?

I don't think you do even if you won't admit it.

I do tend to ignore most of the long political rants, though
occasionally I get sucked into one. Frankly, its handy to always be
able to find out what the average conservation jackass or liberal bozo
is thinking. OTOH, there's been a thread on the perfect tea kettle
for a boat over on rec.boats.cruising that I've had to ignore. Which
is worse?

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You must be easily fooled. Thom has contributed to many discussions, even in
the near-term.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| Thom is a stand-up guy (delete)

Coulda fooled me!

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Jeff" wrote
(deleted too much denial and stupidity)

This news group is called alt.sailing.asa. It has a charter. It's supposed to be
about sailing.
Those who abuse that charter are rude and taking rights from those who wish to
go and have every right to go by the rules of the charter. If you want to talk about
football go to a game or to your sports bar. If you want to talk about sailing come here
or go sailing. Don't come here and **** all over people who're here for sailing discussion.
Just who do you think you are?
If you've got nothing to say about sailing just read about it for a change. You might
learn something.
You and others like you have run most of the sailors off. What sailor wants to hang with
a bunch of selfish babies? Maybe if you and others start acting like adults sailors might
come back. Otherwise it's hopeless. I hope you are proud of yourself for helping to make
alt.sailing.asa practically useless as a sailing forum.
If you can't understand this simple fact then you're not worth talking to anymore.
Your part of the problem. Try to deny. Try to change the subject but the fact is
your part of the problem.

End of conversation.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
You seem to have an odd sense of what complaining is. I could care
less if
Tom ever read my posts. He's a nobody. He hasn't a clue. Hypocrite! What
does he
post about sailing? Scarce few!

Perhaps you should do a Google on Ole Thom's posts. He has given more good
advice and tips about sailing than you, or anybody else on this forum.


Thom may be a complete idiot when he discusses politics, but he does know
more than you and I combined about sailing.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote
| Perhaps you should do a Google on Ole Thom's posts. He has given more good
| advice and tips about sailing than you, or anybody else on this forum.

Your the second or third person who said that. I stand corrected. From what I
read of his recent posts there wasn't much about sailing. I'd apologize to him but
he's not reading my posts anymore so his loss.

| Thom may be a complete idiot when he discusses politics, but he does know
| more than you and I combined about sailing.

Politics is a waste to talk about. You can't change people's mind about politics.

Cheers,
Ellen

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Yeah, but it's fun to talk about it. Sailors are an open-/closed-minded
group with strong opinions, good ideas, and are will/unwilling to listen to
others. Most of the people who frequent this group are essentially decent
people and extremely helpful, while being occasionally rude and annoying.
You need a thick skin to hang out here.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Donal" wrote
| Perhaps you should do a Google on Ole Thom's posts. He has given more
good
| advice and tips about sailing than you, or anybody else on this forum.

Your the second or third person who said that. I stand corrected. From
what I
read of his recent posts there wasn't much about sailing. I'd apologize to
him but
he's not reading my posts anymore so his loss.

| Thom may be a complete idiot when he discusses politics, but he does
know
| more than you and I combined about sailing.

Politics is a waste to talk about. You can't change people's mind
about politics.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

I'm not trying to moderate. I'm only pointing out to various people how
and why
this group's almost useless as a sailing newsgroup.

This is a newsgroup for sailors. Are you implying that sailors discuss
*nothing* but sailing??

Think of this, everybody has
a responsibility to act responsibly. If not the group becomes defacto
moderated
in a way that drives away mature sailors and leaves remaining a group of
baby
bullies who like to see themselves spitting up formula. If your offended
by
sensible talk like this then your a big part of the reason why this group
is so
pitiful.

If this group is so "pitiful" why are you reading/posting here?


Like I said, your part of the problem so I don't care what you think
because
you don't appear to be thinking at all...

Nor do you.

Oh, poor baby...

Cheers,
Ellen

If you have such a problem with ASA, might I suggest you seek out another
newsgroup more to your liking. We like Thom. In fact we prefer him to you.


Max

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .


However on one point I agree with her: this is an easily-found public
forum which is mostly intended for discussing sailing. But then again....
people who find their way into alt.SA and ask question usually get very
good answers, those who start sailing discussions are made very welcome by
most.

People who come here and whine that they don't like it but hang around
anyway? What's up with that?

Masochism?

Max

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"katy" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:
At first I thought ''Ellen'' was a guy, but she sure whines
like a woman.

A little too thin skinned for this group I'd say.



I would have said like a spoiled little girl who just broke her dolly.

However on one point I agree with her: this is an easily-found public
forum which is mostly intended for discussing sailing. But then again....
people who find their way into alt.SA and ask question usually get very
good answers, those who start sailing discussions are made very welcome
by most.

People who come here and whine that they don't like it but hang around
anyway? What's up with that?

DSK


Masochism?

Hey, that was my answer.

Max