Plotting 911
 

Joe wrote:
Lets focus on winning the war, so science and education can flourish
for everyone.


I agree, let's focus on winning the war. When are we going
to start fighting terrorists again?

DSK

Plotting 911
 

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Lets focus on winning the war, so science and education can flourish
for everyone.


I agree, let's focus on winning the war. When are we going
to start fighting terrorists again?

DSK

You tell me?

Can Hillary do a better job?

I'm all for it Doug...tell me who, and how they can do a better job?

Think Kerry could have done better?

Keep in mind the terrorist have tried many more time to attack the USA
and all plots have been foiled.

Do we need to fight a kinder, a more gentle war?
If we do, will they be nicer and kinder too?

Can you explain Global Jihad, and the goal of our enemy?

Do they see any difference of a citizen and someone in the military or
have they sworn just to kill us all equally?

Joe

Plotting 911
 

Lets focus on winning the war, so science and education can flourish
for everyone.

I agree, let's focus on winning the war. When are we going
to start fighting terrorists again?


Joe wrote:
You tell me?

Can Hillary do a better job?


Don't know. It would be hard to do worse.

I'm all for it Doug...tell me who, and how they can do a better job?

Think Kerry could have done better?

Undoubtedly. For one thing, if Senator Kerry were President
he would not regard the war in Iraq as a just a convenient
means of funneling money to his cronies. I also doubt he
would twiddle his thumbs and blame Clinton for Iran's nukes,
North Korea's nukes, totally disregard the Pentagon's advice
about how much troop strength is needed & where, etc etc.



Keep in mind the terrorist have tried many more time to attack the USA
and all plots have been foiled.


Ya think so?


Do we need to fight a kinder, a more gentle war?

No.
We need to actually *fight* the terrorists, and what's more
we need to stop their recruiting/training pipeline that is
ramping up every day.

I would say that brains beat brawn, we are supposed to be
the hi-tech super-capable modern force, not the dumbo-macho
grab-a-big-hammer guys.




Can you explain Global Jihad, and the goal of our enemy?


We have many enemies and they have many different goals.
Fortunately the terrorists are disorganized and illogical,
but we are not using that to our advantage other than just
by luck.



Do they see any difference of a citizen and someone in the military or
have they sworn just to kill us all equally?


Those who attack regular military forces are not terrorists,
by definition.

This is the first place to get a little smarter:
Know your enemy... and I'd take the next step of actually
fighting the enemy, not merely killing large numbers of
random guys who look like they might be the enemy. Or if
that turns out to be the only practical way, killing very
very much larger numbers of them.

DSK

Plotting 911
 

You're joking right? We are specifically barred from "hunting for Bin Laden"
in Pakistan. We're not bolstering any army, and Perez is actually become
hostile publically.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article . com,
Joe wrote:
Ossama and his dirtbags are bragging on Al jezzera TV today! They are
showing how he planned and pulled off the murder of 3000 citizens going
to work. How to hide a knife on an airplane. Is it a recruting effort
or warning? Included in Ossama TV message is the twin towers falling,
damn he's pround of murdering infedels like us. He's laughing at the
stupid ****ers to gentlemanly to stop what he did. He's spitting in
your face.

I'm sure glad we are not seeing re-runs on Al jezeera TV about the
attacks in LA.

Some people would rather see dead Americans more than dirtbags murders
getting treated in an un-gentle way.

Like Bushco who is doing nothing about him and his followers. He's
hiding in Pakistan (our supposed friend) and they have an agreement
not to fight each other.



Jon we have many many troops in Pakistan. Not only are we hunting
Ossama, but as importantly we are bolstering the Pakinstan military,
that if falls.... we leave the keys to the Nukes they have to the
taliban.

Joe


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You're sure? On what do you base this "intelligence"? Do you have an inside
track that the rest of us in the country lack? If you want to have a
discussion, you need to support yourself with facts, not wishful thinking.

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jon we have many many troops in Pakistan.

Really? That's a big surprise to the Pentagon, and it would
certainly be very offensive to our friends the Pakistanis.

One of the JCS was on the radio the other day explaining
that we have no troops in Pakistan and are forbidden by
treaty to enter, one of the issues that complicates the hunt
for Bin Laden.

Sorry..we have many in the border reagions and I'm sure black ops in
country.


.... Not only are we hunting
Ossama, but as importantly we are bolstering the Pakinstan military,
that if falls.... we leave the keys to the Nukes they have to the
taliban.


Why worry about that? North Korea has nukes, Iran is getting
them soon, and the Bush Administration is doing little or
nothing about it... in six years they've done less to head
off these developments... of course it's really Clinton's fault.

I'm not worried, remember Regan made the missle defence program that's
coming on-line, I have faith we will protect ourselfs.

When Islamic fundamentalist crazies take over Pakistan and
get control over the Pakistani nuclear (or "noo kyew lurr"
if you prefer) weapons, that will be Clinton's fault too.

Did Cliton and his staff kill Osama when they had the chance? Or did
they worry about the legal issued involved, and focus on the blowjob
defence?

Joe

DSK

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Joe, a trained monkey could do a better job. We've not secured our chem
plants, our railway/commuter system, or our containerized cargo. We only
inspect 5% of the latter. We can't even prevent people from bring liquids
onto planes if they get just the least bit creative about it.

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Lets focus on winning the war, so science and education can flourish
for everyone.


I agree, let's focus on winning the war. When are we going
to start fighting terrorists again?

DSK

You tell me?

Can Hillary do a better job?

I'm all for it Doug...tell me who, and how they can do a better job?

Think Kerry could have done better?

Keep in mind the terrorist have tried many more time to attack the USA
and all plots have been foiled.

Do we need to fight a kinder, a more gentle war?
If we do, will they be nicer and kinder too?

Can you explain Global Jihad, and the goal of our enemy?

Do they see any difference of a citizen and someone in the military or
have they sworn just to kill us all equally?

Joe

Plotting 911
 

DSK wrote:
Lets focus on winning the war, so science and education can flourish
for everyone.

I agree, let's focus on winning the war. When are we going
to start fighting terrorists again?


Joe wrote:
You tell me?

Can Hillary do a better job?


Don't know. It would be hard to do worse.

Maybe...maybe not...the proff to me is we have not been attacked again,
and if you think they are not trying then you are blind.

I'm all for it Doug...tell me who, and how they can do a better job?

Think Kerry could have done better?

Undoubtedly. For one thing, if Senator Kerry were President
he would not regard the war in Iraq as a just a convenient
means of funneling money to his cronies.

Did M. Moore give you that line to use?

I also doubt he
would twiddle his thumbs and blame Clinton for Iran's nukes,
North Korea's nukes, totally disregard the Pentagon's advice
about how much troop strength is needed & where, etc etc.



Keep in mind the terrorist have tried many more time to attack the USA
and all plots have been foiled.


Ya think so?

You don't?


Do we need to fight a kinder, a more gentle war?

No.
We need to actually *fight* the terrorists, and what's more
we need to stop their recruiting/training pipeline that is
ramping up every day.

And how do we do that? pass out cash, appeasement, cut and run?
Shackle and muzzle the intell servies?


Terrorist like the 14 the CIA questioned? Or just the ones found
guilty after 3 yr trials that cost taxpayers millions?


I would say that brains beat brawn, we are supposed to be
the hi-tech super-capable modern force, not the dumbo-macho
grab-a-big-hammer guys.


Super high tech like listening to telephone calls between terrorist
planners!!!

Good lord...that would be illegal and not playing fair, the loss of
personal privacy is to important according to some.



Can you explain Global Jihad, and the goal of our enemy?


We have many enemies and they have many different goals.
Fortunately the terrorists are disorganized and illogical,
but we are not using that to our advantage other than just
by luck.

Luck or hard work? I have faith in the man on the ground and think
they are making the difference, not the politicians.


Do they see any difference of a citizen and someone in the military or
have they sworn just to kill us all equally?


Those who attack regular military forces are not terrorists,
by definition.

This is the first place to get a little smarter:
Know your enemy... and I'd take the next step of actually
fighting the enemy, not merely killing large numbers of
random guys who look like they might be the enemy. Or if
that turns out to be the only practical way, killing very
very much larger numbers of them.

Ossama's Fatwa said the duty of all muslims is to kill all Americans.

Simple tactic's and goals. All out war. Who's making them fight fair?

Joe

DSK

Plotting 911
 

Capt. JG wrote:
You're sure? On what do you base this "intelligence"? Do you have an inside
track that the rest of us in the country lack? If you want to have a
discussion, you need to support yourself with facts, not wishful thinking.

No im just not blinded by the press, and have faith in our military and
intell.
Pakistan has nukes and we can not afford for them to fall into the
hands of the taliban.

Joe

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jon we have many many troops in Pakistan.

Really? That's a big surprise to the Pentagon, and it would
certainly be very offensive to our friends the Pakistanis.

One of the JCS was on the radio the other day explaining
that we have no troops in Pakistan and are forbidden by
treaty to enter, one of the issues that complicates the hunt
for Bin Laden.

Sorry..we have many in the border reagions and I'm sure black ops in
country.


.... Not only are we hunting
Ossama, but as importantly we are bolstering the Pakinstan military,
that if falls.... we leave the keys to the Nukes they have to the
taliban.


Why worry about that? North Korea has nukes, Iran is getting
them soon, and the Bush Administration is doing little or
nothing about it... in six years they've done less to head
off these developments... of course it's really Clinton's fault.

I'm not worried, remember Regan made the missle defence program that's
coming on-line, I have faith we will protect ourselfs.

When Islamic fundamentalist crazies take over Pakistan and
get control over the Pakistani nuclear (or "noo kyew lurr"
if you prefer) weapons, that will be Clinton's fault too.

Did Cliton and his staff kill Osama when they had the chance? Or did
they worry about the legal issued involved, and focus on the blowjob
defence?

Joe

DSK

Plotting 911
 

You haven't been hit by a train. Does that mean there are no trains?

"Joe" wrote in message
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Maybe...maybe not...the proff to me is we have not been attacked again,
and if you think they are not trying then you are blind.

We need to actually *fight* the terrorists, and what's more
we need to stop their recruiting/training pipeline that is
ramping up every day.

And how do we do that? pass out cash, appeasement, cut and run?
Shackle and muzzle the intell servies?

Not give in to the ways of the terrorist for one. Who is shackling the
intelligence services or even suggesting it? The point of intelligence is to
use it. Monitoring the phone calls of millions of Americans isn't very smart
or effective.


Terrorist like the 14 the CIA questioned? Or just the ones found
guilty after 3 yr trials that cost taxpayers millions?

So, you'r saying that you don't like our system of laws and government? We
have laws and procedure for a reason. We need to use them. All of the
"successes" we've had have been due to good intelligence not invading a
country that wasn't an "imminent" theat to us.

I would say that brains beat brawn, we are supposed to be
the hi-tech super-capable modern force, not the dumbo-macho
grab-a-big-hammer guys.


Super high tech like listening to telephone calls between terrorist
planners!!!

Oh come on... super high tech? What about the even better super, duper,
quasi-terabit quadrangle of piazo diaphram technology? :-)

Good lord...that would be illegal and not playing fair, the loss of
personal privacy is to important according to some.

It's a slippery slope from just a little bit of loss of our liberties in
exchange for questionable security to a full-blow police state.

Can you explain Global Jihad, and the goal of our enemy?


We have many enemies and they have many different goals.
Fortunately the terrorists are disorganized and illogical,
but we are not using that to our advantage other than just
by luck.

Luck or hard work? I have faith in the man on the ground and think
they are making the difference, not the politicians.

Then, by that logic, you don't trust Bush. Good! We're making progress!

Do they see any difference of a citizen and someone in the military or
have they sworn just to kill us all equally?


Those who attack regular military forces are not terrorists,
by definition.

This is the first place to get a little smarter:
Know your enemy... and I'd take the next step of actually
fighting the enemy, not merely killing large numbers of
random guys who look like they might be the enemy. Or if
that turns out to be the only practical way, killing very
very much larger numbers of them.

Ossama's Fatwa said the duty of all muslims is to kill all Americans.

Simple tactic's and goals. All out war. Who's making them fight fair?

If any serious muslim thought that, we would be in deep, deep trouble. 99%
of muslims are peaceful people who just want to live their lives.

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Which press? Fox news or Air America? NKorea has nukes (or will shortly) and
we're not doing a damn thing about it. Iran won't have nukes for years, and
we know damn well, we can't do anything about that. The Taliban have their
own territory, BY TREATY, inside Pakistan. We could do something about that,
yet we're doing nothing.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
You're sure? On what do you base this "intelligence"? Do you have an
inside
track that the rest of us in the country lack? If you want to have a
discussion, you need to support yourself with facts, not wishful
thinking.

No im just not blinded by the press, and have faith in our military and
intell.
Pakistan has nukes and we can not afford for them to fall into the
hands of the taliban.

Joe

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jon we have many many troops in Pakistan.

Really? That's a big surprise to the Pentagon, and it would
certainly be very offensive to our friends the Pakistanis.

One of the JCS was on the radio the other day explaining
that we have no troops in Pakistan and are forbidden by
treaty to enter, one of the issues that complicates the hunt
for Bin Laden.

Sorry..we have many in the border reagions and I'm sure black ops in
country.


.... Not only are we hunting
Ossama, but as importantly we are bolstering the Pakinstan military,
that if falls.... we leave the keys to the Nukes they have to the
taliban.


Why worry about that? North Korea has nukes, Iran is getting
them soon, and the Bush Administration is doing little or
nothing about it... in six years they've done less to head
off these developments... of course it's really Clinton's fault.

I'm not worried, remember Regan made the missle defence program that's
coming on-line, I have faith we will protect ourselfs.

When Islamic fundamentalist crazies take over Pakistan and
get control over the Pakistani nuclear (or "noo kyew lurr"
if you prefer) weapons, that will be Clinton's fault too.

Did Cliton and his staff kill Osama when they had the chance? Or did
they worry about the legal issued involved, and focus on the blowjob
defence?

Joe

DSK