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San Carlos Sailing Mexico
My wife Joanne and I are recently retired from nursing and teaching
respectfully. We have had powerboats in Alaska for decades and upon retirement we decided we wanted a fairly large sailboat for coastal cruising. We had bought a 26 ft. MacGregor Sailboat in 2005 and used it on Kachemak Bay in Homer, Alaska where we live and still own and sail that little boat there. After a lot of research and sea trials, we bought a 1980 37 ft. Hunter Sailboat from San Carlos Yachts ( by the way, Marisa and Charlie are absolutely the greatest, hard working and honest.) We decided on a sailboat because a similar size powerboat would cost us a fortune in fuel consumption. Sailboats are slow but economical. Although we had lot of experience with wind and tide under power, we knew we would need instruction on the handling of sails. We are experienced with boating under power in the harbor and on the open water. We engaged David Baraff of the San Carlos Sailing School. He agreed to come aboard our boat and provide us with instruction at a rate of $400 per day for 4 days. For $1600 we received 2 one half inch thick books. We had hoped instruction would lead to "Basic Keelboat Sailing" and "Coastal Cruising" certifications. Both of these courses are part of the American Sailing Association or ASA curriculum. This did not occur. At the time of instruction and even later, (view e-mails below), David said we had passed the on water exercises and written examination for Basic Keelboat Sailing (a prerequisite for taking Coastal Cruising!!) We also passed the written exam for Coastal Cruising and most of the on water exercises. He insisted on having us finish the on water exercises in the afternoon when winds had built to 30 knots. We had suggested we do the on water demonstrations in the morning but he refused and had us take the written portion of Coastal Cruising instead, (which we passed by the way.) When we refused to go out in the afternoon, he said our time was up and he was too busy to do the demonstrations at another time. At that point, we told him to leave our boat. He did leave only after we gave him $800 (we had previously given him $800.) After he left, we talked with fellow boat owners living in the harbor like us. They were not going out sailing because it was blowing 30 knots. One couple in the boat next to ours have sailed to Hawaii and Alaska and they said and I am paraphrasing, ' if you are caught out in rough weather, you have to deal with it, however, it is prudent to avoid it.' Please read the following e-mails. We would still abide by ours. Mr. Baraff just will not keep his word. In a message dated 4/4/2006 9:18:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, writes: David, Charley Nobles called me and let me know you are rigidly standing to your position. I am getting tired of this nonsense and I am willing to compromise. Joanne and I passed the Basic Keelboat written exam and demonstrated the required skills. We expect this certification but NOT the Coastal Cruising certification. As a matter of good faith, I have taken down the body of our websites. You can check www.sancarlosmexicosailing.net and www.sancarlossailingschoolbeware.net . I will leave the sites active until I hear from you via e-mail. I will then remove them entirely, as well as, any outside sites I have posted on. In addition, I will contact Charley Nobles and let him know our dispute has been rectified and I will ask him to withdraw our complaint. Awaiting a reply. Cordially, Tom Byrnes Tom Consider it done however, I wont be able to send in the paperwork until I go back to the states that will be soon, but cant say exactly when they will then process it and get it out to you thanks for your consideration |
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San Carlos Sailing Mexico
FYI, you probably shouldn't post this to any more newsgroups. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ups.com... My wife Joanne and I are recently retired from nursing and teaching respectfully. We have had powerboats in Alaska for decades and upon retirement we decided we wanted a fairly large sailboat for coastal cruising. We had bought a 26 ft. MacGregor Sailboat in 2005 and used it on Kachemak Bay in Homer, Alaska where we live and still own and sail that little boat there. After a lot of research and sea trials, we bought a 1980 37 ft. Hunter Sailboat from San Carlos Yachts ( by the way, Marisa and Charlie are absolutely the greatest, hard working and honest.) We decided on a sailboat because a similar size powerboat would cost us a fortune in fuel consumption. Sailboats are slow but economical. Although we had lot of experience with wind and tide under power, we knew we would need instruction on the handling of sails. We are experienced with boating under power in the harbor and on the open water. We engaged David Baraff of the San Carlos Sailing School. He agreed to come aboard our boat and provide us with instruction at a rate of $400 per day for 4 days. For $1600 we received 2 one half inch thick books. We had hoped instruction would lead to "Basic Keelboat Sailing" and "Coastal Cruising" certifications. Both of these courses are part of the American Sailing Association or ASA curriculum. This did not occur. At the time of instruction and even later, (view e-mails below), David said we had passed the on water exercises and written examination for Basic Keelboat Sailing (a prerequisite for taking Coastal Cruising!!) We also passed the written exam for Coastal Cruising and most of the on water exercises. He insisted on having us finish the on water exercises in the afternoon when winds had built to 30 knots. We had suggested we do the on water demonstrations in the morning but he refused and had us take the written portion of Coastal Cruising instead, (which we passed by the way.) When we refused to go out in the afternoon, he said our time was up and he was too busy to do the demonstrations at another time. At that point, we told him to leave our boat. He did leave only after we gave him $800 (we had previously given him $800.) After he left, we talked with fellow boat owners living in the harbor like us. They were not going out sailing because it was blowing 30 knots. One couple in the boat next to ours have sailed to Hawaii and Alaska and they said and I am paraphrasing, ' if you are caught out in rough weather, you have to deal with it, however, it is prudent to avoid it.' Please read the following e-mails. We would still abide by ours. Mr. Baraff just will not keep his word. In a message dated 4/4/2006 9:18:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, writes: David, Charley Nobles called me and let me know you are rigidly standing to your position. I am getting tired of this nonsense and I am willing to compromise. Joanne and I passed the Basic Keelboat written exam and demonstrated the required skills. We expect this certification but NOT the Coastal Cruising certification. As a matter of good faith, I have taken down the body of our websites. You can check www.sancarlosmexicosailing.net and www.sancarlossailingschoolbeware.net . I will leave the sites active until I hear from you via e-mail. I will then remove them entirely, as well as, any outside sites I have posted on. In addition, I will contact Charley Nobles and let him know our dispute has been rectified and I will ask him to withdraw our complaint. Awaiting a reply. Cordially, Tom Byrnes Tom Consider it done however, I wont be able to send in the paperwork until I go back to the states that will be soon, but cant say exactly when they will then process it and get it out to you thanks for your consideration |
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