As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".
They
also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
similar
sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.

Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
want a
trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
not
only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If

you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would

logically be looking at a Southerly.

http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/

By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
for the full asking price and tow it home. I had two other people
standing by, waiting for a phone call to come buy it if the folks from
Michigan decided against it. One even tried to get me to accept a
higher
offer to tell the Michigan party to stay home. It's ALWAYS a sellers
market for Seawards. One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.
I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this. Leave me out
of it otherwise!



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt" Rob wrote:
As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".

By whom?

They
also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
similar
sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.


What makes you think I haven't?

Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
want a
trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
not
only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If

you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would

logically be looking at a Southerly.

http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/


Thanks, I have already seen several Southerly boats. English
built, quite nice centerboarders.

By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
for the full asking price and tow it home. ..... It's ALWAYS a sellers
market for Seawards.


I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.



..... One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.

Did I make any hints? All I have said is that one should
take a close look for oneself.


I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this.

In other words, Bubbles made this up.

DSK

Oh, and while Doug tries to dig himself out of a pile of his own horse
****, Good Old Boat reviewed the Seaward 22 last November at gave it a
good review, noting that it's a "little ship" and commented favorably
on it's build quality.
But, hey, that doesn't mean anything either. I don't think Gregg Nestor
was around to see one put together!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Oh, and while Doug tries to dig himself out of a pile of his own horse
****, Good Old Boat reviewed the Seaward 22 last November at gave it a
good review, noting that it's a "little ship" and commented favorably
on it's build quality.

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.

It's one of those things where seeing can't possibly be
believing.

DSK

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.


Did you read the article, Doug? Are you familiar with the reviewer?
Doug, why not just come out and say it: Doug King only believes what he
wants to believe in the face of any other opinions, even when Doug King
knows almost nothing about a given topic. You are truly the height of
"hot air."


I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.


5 or 6? Is that for the whole world, or just a particular hemisphere?
Holy cow! Are you sure? Bwhahahahaha!


I'd like to point out that...

1) Doug has yet to offer ANY first hand info on the Seawards. I think
he actually knows and agrees with me that they are solid little boats,
but it KILLS him to agree with me. This why he often posts the same
comments I make moments after I do.
2) Doug lied when he said that I suggested using ads to quantify build
quality.
3) Doug suggested (seriously) that you need to own or be planning to
own a boat to have an opinion on it! Seriously!!!


King of Keels = full of a LOT of crap and hot air!



RB
35s5
NY

A magazine review certainly trumps personal inspection,
doesn't it Bubbles.



"Capt" Rob wrote:
Did you read the article, Doug?

Nope, I don't care a thing about it.


Doug, why not just come out and say it: Doug King only believes what he
wants to believe in the face of any other opinions

I believe my eyes in the face of other opinions, especially
internet BS.

even when Doug King
knows almost nothing about a given topic

When the topic is boat construction? Sure, Bubbles.



I wonder why there are 5 or 6 around on the various
'for-sale' web pages that have been awaiting a buyer for months.


5 or 6? Is that for the whole world, or just a particular hemisphere?
Holy cow! Are you sure? Bwhahahahaha!


Looks like we'll have to wait longer for an intelligent
comment from Bubbles on an easily observable fact.


I'd like to point out that...

1) Doug has yet to offer ANY first hand info on the Seawards.

Nobody who matters has asked me.

.... I think
he actually knows and agrees with me that they are solid little boats

Actually I do know, and no I don't agree.



but it KILLS him to agree with me. This why he often posts the same
comments I make moments after I do.

Please cite ONE instance of this happening.


2) Doug lied when he said that I suggested using ads to quantify build
quality.

???


3) Doug suggested (seriously) that you need to own or be planning to
own a boat to have an opinion on it! Seriously!!!


Not even close. Go back and read what I posted, again.



King of Keels = full of a LOT of crap and hot air!



That's what you see when you look at the world thru crap
colored glasses.

DSK

Does a 1986 Seaward have the fully retractable vertical keel?

I thought most of the larger models of that year had fixed keels.

What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?

Gilligan wrote:
Does a 1986 Seaward have the fully retractable vertical keel?


No, AFAIK they have only built two lifting keel models, the
26 (which is a 25 with a fancier stern and lifting bulb
keel) and the 32.


I thought most of the larger models of that year had fixed keels.


Up thru some time in the middle 1980's they used
keel-centerboards, then decided nobody liked or used the
centerboard.


What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?


Are you hoping to get some sense out of Bubbles?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
news
What 1986 model are you speaking of and how does that relate to a recent
magazine review? Did the magazine review the 1986 model?


Are you hoping to get some sense out of Bubbles?


His trolling recipe is the same no matter what.

The antidote is quite simple.

He can never defeat logic and facts.

An example of an insightful post by one of the more intelligent, knowledgeable and
experienced men here.

Three cheers to Capt. Rob!

Paladin


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
| As the "former" OWNER of a 1986 Seaward, I can tell you that the build
| quality is above average. They are known as the "Big Little Boats".
| They
| also sail quite well in a wide range of conditions. They are not
| advertised as racer/cruisers, but they are not slugs, either. Let Doug
| do a review of the build quality of a Sundowner 36 compared to a
| similar
| sized Nordic Tug, or Grand Banks.
|
| Seawards are indeed a niche boat, as you say. They are for people who
| want a
| trailer-sailer with more than spartan "camping" accommodations. They
| not
| only trailer easily, but they can also be run right up to the beach. If
|
| you want to go a bit larger and forget the trailering aspect, you would
|
| logically be looking at a Southerly.
|
| http://sailmag.com/boatreviews/Southerly110/
|
| By the way, someone drove to """"" from Michigan to buy my Seaward
| for the full asking price and tow it home. I had two other people
| standing by, waiting for a phone call to come buy it if the folks from
| Michigan decided against it. One even tried to get me to accept a
| higher
| offer to tell the Michigan party to stay home. It's ALWAYS a sellers
| market for Seawards. One can only imagine what Doug's motives might be
| for even hinting that Seawards are less than well built.
| I'm staying out of this, though you'll probably post this. Leave me out
| of it otherwise!
|
|
|
| RB
| 35s5
| NY
|

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