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1987 First 235 Great Deal
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1987 First 235 Great Deal
Hmm, if it were a First 210 or F 211; or the Farr 25, I'd be
all over it. Even a First 24 (swing keel) would be a fun boat. The F 235 sails pretty well for as roomy as it is, and is astoningly roomy for a 23 footer... but it ain't never gonna be mistaken for a sport boat. Bob Crantz wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6694-...spagenameZWDVW Thanks, but pass. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Thanks, but pass. Yeah, a Hunter 19 is more fun to sail.....I think it rates 275 or something. A 235 is rated below 200 in some areas, fast and fun. Doug bought a Hunter 19 and then went right for his dream, a C&C 121....then got a trawler instead. RB 35s5 NY |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Capt. Rob wrote:
Yeah, a Hunter 19 is more fun to sail..... It's more fun to sail a Hunter 19 than to brag about imaginary sailing on the internet. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
It's more fun to sail a Hunter 19 than to brag about imaginary sailing on the internet. Yeah....here's some more "imaginary sailing" Doug! http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/suzy2weby.jpg http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/fly.jpg I really like the 121. Suzanne loves the C&C 99. I had to talk her out of it until Thomas is older. By then she'll want a C&C 121 and I may just have to give in. What did your wife want again??? Oh, yeah....a trawler! RB 35s5 NY |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
"Capt" Rob wrote:
What did your wife want again??? Oh, yeah....a trawler! Seems like you have been dominated by women all your life and cannot grasp any other pattern. If I had really wanted a C&C 121 I would have bought one. My wife wants to sail & to cruise with me; and I want to cruise & sail with her. It's that simple. You cannot understand that, which is why you're a usenet stalker and blowhard instead of pursuing your dreams. Maybe you will get a better understanding when your wife not only has a successful career & happy home life, but has won at least 3 international medical society awards, won at least 3 one-design championships, can skippered a boat on her own for a two week cruise or a 600 mile delivery, and yet still looks up to your knowledge & skill. Will that ever happen for you, Bubbles? DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Seems like you have been dominated by women all your life and cannot grasp any other pattern. If I had really wanted a C&C 121 I would have bought one. Uh, what is this? Fuzzy logic? You already said you "Hoped your wife would like the 121 at the show." She didn't and now you're in a TRAWLER. My wife wanted a C&C 99. Seems like you're the one who's being controlled. I don't need to bring my wife to a boat show and hope she likes what I like! YOU HAVE A TRAWLER RB 35s5 NY |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Doug you are so cruel!
Shame! Shame! Everyone knows Sudsy's butt got too lumpy to model underwear anymore so she got a job stuffing envelopes at Publisher's Clearinghouse. Her co-dependent personality disorder is fullfilled by selflessly being a nurse and taking care of the drooling ne'er-do-well of a husband she has. Some day she may read ASA and see what the loser she has latched on to does to others, herself and their poor helpless child. If she didn't speak with a strong lisp, she may have done much better in life. The perpetual and fiery flames of hell await the large blubberous one. His flesh will be seared and eyes gouged by demons. Glory! |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Maybe you will get a better understanding when your wife not only has a successful career & happy home life, but has won at least 3 international medical society awards My wife has been an RN for just 9 months. How much time does she have? won at least 3 one-design championships So now she prefers powerboats? yet still looks up to your knowledge & skill. Will that ever happen for you, Bubbles? Good lord! I don't "need" my wife to "look up to me." I prefer that we're equals and I sure wouldn't expose my ego the way you just did. Zikes! RB 35s5 NY |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
His flesh will be seared and eyes gouged by demons. Snore. RB 35s5 NY |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Good lord! I don't "need" my wife to "look up to me." I prefer that we're equals and I sure wouldn't expose my ego the way you just did. Ouch! |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
.... If I had really wanted a
C&C 121 I would have bought one. "Capt" Rob wrote: Uh, what is this? Fuzzy logic? You already said you "Hoped your wife would like the 121 at the show." No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again. .... She didn't Actually, she did like it. However, she didn't like it enough to buy one, neither did I. Another plain & simple situation you cannot understand. ... now you're in a TRAWLER. Actually, I wish I was. Right now I'm at work, waiting for some other contractors to get their act together. .... My wife wanted a C&C 99. So why didn't you buy one? Too expensive for your X-box budget? ..... Seems like you're the one who's being controlled. I don't need to bring my wife to a boat show and hope she likes what I like! I don't either. It so happens that we both like boat shows, so we occasionally go to them. Neither of us particularly likes to "screen" movies though. YOU HAVE A TRAWLER Not only that, I go cruising in it. Try sailing some time, Bubbles... racing or cruising, either one. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Bob Crantz wrote:
The perpetual and fiery flames of hell await the large blubberous one. His flesh will be seared and eyes gouged by demons. betcha there'll be at least one demon who will say "Eww, I'm not touching *that*." DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:27:49 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6694-...spagenameZWDVW Been by there (the old Irby Steel yard in Gulfport) several times to look at the storm junk. Hard to find something that can be bought at a price where the finished product could be worth what you would have to put into it to get it back. Friend has bid on 12 boats at a max bid price that he thought he could bring the boat back reasonably, that is, at a better deal than just buying a like and same boat in reasonable condition, on the used market. He hasn't won a bid yet. I think there will be some very disappointed owners when the talley up what they had to put in the storm salvage junk. Frank |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
"Capt" Rob wrote:
Good lord! I don't "need" my wife to "look up to me." Good thing, huh. So your wife thinks you're a fat loser? DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6694-...spagenameZWDVW
Frank Boettcher wrote: Been by there (the old Irby Steel yard in Gulfport) several times to look at the storm junk. Hard to find something that can be bought at a price where the finished product could be worth what you would have to put into it to get it back. Bingo. That's why they're for sale that way, instead of being rehabbed on a back lot somewhere. Friend has bid on 12 boats at a max bid price that he thought he could bring the boat back reasonably, that is, at a better deal than just buying a like and same boat in reasonable condition, on the used market. He hasn't won a bid yet. I think there will be some very disappointed owners when the talley up what they had to put in the storm salvage junk. A lot of these boats have been in the hands of starry-eyed low-budget dreamers already. I've exchanged emails with quite a few and maybe one in a 100 has the skills (or the bloody stick-to-it-ness to learn the skills) to actually put such a boat into sailing shape; none will ever do the homework to figure out in advance what it will cost. But taking these boats ouot of circulation will reduce the supply and keep up the demand so that the rest of us will be able to sell our boats one day for more than a pittance. Thus is The Balance maintained. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:27:49 -0600, "Bob Crantz" wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6694-...eneteau-235-Fi rst-Sailboat_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ018Q QitemZ 280019570391QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Been by there (the old Irby Steel yard in Gulfport) several times to look at the storm junk. Hard to find something that can be bought at a price where the finished product could be worth what you would have to put into it to get it back. Friend has bid on 12 boats at a max bid price that he thought he could bring the boat back reasonably, that is, at a better deal than just buying a like and same boat in reasonable condition, on the used market. He hasn't won a bid yet. I think there will be some very disappointed owners when the talley up what they had to put in the storm salvage junk. There's still 2 'repaired' sailboats, from Hurricane Andrew, sitting down the road from me. Scotty |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
"DSK" wrote in message ... "Capt" Rob wrote: Good lord! I don't "need" my wife to "look up to me." Good thing, huh. So your wife thinks you're a fat loser? thinks? |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
DSK wrote: But taking these boats ouot of circulation will reduce the supply and keep up the demand so that the rest of us will be able to sell our boats one day for more than a pittance. Thus is The Balance maintained. No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...QQcmdZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. Joe I DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Joe wrote:
No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...QQcmdZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. Go ahead. The report says the hull is cracked & decks buckled... IMHO this is a wreck. It has a lot of nice gear & fittings, maybe Seahag is looking for a 'parts' boat. Lots of folks would like to have those bronze ports. I'd be more tempted by something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/45-Cu...QQcmdZViewItem which is at least an uncracked & unbuckled structure. Still too much money, considering. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Scotty wrote:
You call this a fixer upper? Vessel was damaged and submerged during hurricane. The decks buckled. Both hull sides cracked and crushed from deck to water line. Fractures to hull are complete. Teak decking is loose and in poor condition. Windows are in fair condition with some broken. Gauges and controls were all submerged and are in poor condition. Interior of vessel is in complete disarray with mud and debris throughout. All upholstery is wet and muddy and headliner is stained. Vessel has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. Yeah, but it would make a great stepping stone DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. .. DSK wrote: But taking these boats ouot of circulation will reduce the supply and keep up the demand so that the rest of us will be able to sell our boats one day for more than a pittance. Thus is The Balance maintained. No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...eoy-Lee_W0QQit emZ280019604565QQihZ018QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. You call this a fixer upper? Vessel was damaged and submerged during hurricane. The decks buckled. Both hull sides cracked and crushed from deck to water line. Fractures to hull are complete. Teak decking is loose and in poor condition. Windows are in fair condition with some broken. Gauges and controls were all submerged and are in poor condition. Interior of vessel is in complete disarray with mud and debris throughout. All upholstery is wet and muddy and headliner is stained. Vessel has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
DSK wrote: Joe wrote: No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...QQcmdZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. Go ahead. The report says the hull is cracked & decks buckled... IMHO this is a wreck. It has a lot of nice gear & fittings, maybe Seahag is looking for a 'parts' boat. Lots of folks would like to have those bronze ports. Oh man, if you click on the details you see it is good for nothing but parts, might as well include the cost of a crusher and a dumpster or two I'd be more tempted by something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/45-Cu...QQcmdZViewItem which is at least an uncracked & unbuckled structure. Still too much money, considering. But look at that fin, looks like it's been shoved up a bit, and the hull has mushed in and caved around it. Joe DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Too bad it wasn't a steel boat. At least you could get
scrap money for it. Scotty "DSK" wrote in message ... Scotty wrote: You call this a fixer upper? Vessel was damaged and submerged during hurricane. The decks buckled. Both hull sides cracked and crushed from deck to water line. Fractures to hull are complete. Teak decking is loose and in poor condition. Windows are in fair condition with some broken. Gauges and controls were all submerged and are in poor condition. Interior of vessel is in complete disarray with mud and debris throughout. All upholstery is wet and muddy and headliner is stained. Vessel has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. Yeah, but it would make a great stepping stone DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Joe wrote:
Oh man, if you click on the details you see it is good for nothing but parts, might as well include the cost of a crusher and a dumpster or two Maybe the cost of bronze ports & 2nd hand windlasses is going to come down in the near future ;) I'd be more tempted by something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/45-Cu...QQcmdZViewItem which is at least an uncracked & unbuckled structure. Still too much money, considering. Joe wrote: But look at that fin, looks like it's been shoved up a bit, and the hull has mushed in and caved around it. Hard to say from the pics. That's not an unusual shape for a boat of that era designed to the IOR rule... they had flat spots in unusual places, and a hull section shaped like a sherbet glass. Something about the way the rule measured the "sailing length" which was a mathematical way of trying to calculate the waterline when heeled. Despite the weird hull, many boats of this type sail quite well. Other of course have earned the reputation of being broach coaches. At least it has an intact rig & a working engine! Even if the hull is trashed, all those self-tailing winches cost more than $10K new and could probably be resold fairly readily. Anyway, it's a fun game to speculate. I am shopping for something much smaller, simpler, and less demanding of project work. I still have tugboat parts in the garage! DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Scotty wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. . DSK wrote: But taking these boats ouot of circulation will reduce the supply and keep up the demand so that the rest of us will be able to sell our boats one day for more than a pittance. Thus is The Balance maintained. No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...eoy-Lee_W0QQit emZ280019604565QQihZ018QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. You call this a fixer upper? Vessel was damaged and submerged during hurricane. The decks buckled. Buckled decks...big deal! probley from the crushed hull, fis the hull and the decks fall in place. Both hull sides cracked and crushed from deck to water line. NICE CLEAN BREAK, makes for a nice scab Fractures to hull are complete. That's good...no hidden damage! Teak decking is loose and in poor condition. Little glue and sanding..that's all. Windows are in fair condition with some broken. Glass and glazing compond..10 bucks! Gauges and controls were all submerged and are in poor condition. just rinse them, they will be fine, what and oil and temp gauge cost anyway? 30 bucks each at Auto-Zone. Interior of vessel is in complete disarray with mud and debris throughout. All upholstery is wet and muddy and headliner is stained. Thats good, salvage the hardware, trim ect, make a clean gut, gotta get at the hull to scab the cracks, maybe add a few new stringers anyway. Vessel has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. WD 40, emery cloth and a wooden mallet! problem fixed.. Lot's of elbow grease, couple rolls of glass mat, 55 gallon drum of resin, plywwood, and BAM you have a sweet little cruiser...no problem...if you have the spare time :0) Joe |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
E-bay loves people like Joe.
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. .. Scotty wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com.. . DSK wrote: But taking these boats ouot of circulation will reduce the supply and keep up the demand so that the rest of us will be able to sell our boats one day for more than a pittance. Thus is The Balance maintained. No doubt, we seen 100+ storm boats go thru our shipyard... The same seller who has the benny has this gem in the rough: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6232-...eoy-Lee_W0QQit emZ280019604565QQihZ018QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem Sure is a nice fixer upper. You call this a fixer upper? Vessel was damaged and submerged during hurricane. The decks buckled. Buckled decks...big deal! probley from the crushed hull, fis the hull and the decks fall in place. Both hull sides cracked and crushed from deck to water line. NICE CLEAN BREAK, makes for a nice scab Fractures to hull are complete. That's good...no hidden damage! Teak decking is loose and in poor condition. Little glue and sanding..that's all. Windows are in fair condition with some broken. Glass and glazing compond..10 bucks! Gauges and controls were all submerged and are in poor condition. just rinse them, they will be fine, what and oil and temp gauge cost anyway? 30 bucks each at Auto-Zone. Interior of vessel is in complete disarray with mud and debris throughout. All upholstery is wet and muddy and headliner is stained. Thats good, salvage the hardware, trim ect, make a clean gut, gotta get at the hull to scab the cracks, maybe add a few new stringers anyway. Vessel has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. WD 40, emery cloth and a wooden mallet! problem fixed.. Lot's of elbow grease, couple rolls of glass mat, 55 gallon drum of resin, plywwood, and BAM you have a sweet little cruiser...no problem...if you have the spare time :0) Joe |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine
was submerged and is seized. "Joe" wrote WD 40, emery cloth and a wooden mallet! problem fixed.. Sounds easy, dunnit ;) Lot's of elbow grease, couple rolls of glass mat, 55 gallon drum of resin, plywwood, and BAM you have a sweet little cruiser...no problem...if you have the spare time :0) Scotty wrote: E-bay loves people like Joe. Does that mean you're not coming over to help with the boat? Heck, if Joes buys the beer, we should be able to get all that stuff knocked out in a weekend. DSK |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
DSK wrote: has a 1993 32hp Picies diesel 3 cylinder inboard. Engine was submerged and is seized. "Joe" wrote WD 40, emery cloth and a wooden mallet! problem fixed.. Sounds easy, dunnit ;) Lot's of elbow grease, couple rolls of glass mat, 55 gallon drum of resin, plywwood, and BAM you have a sweet little cruiser...no problem...if you have the spare time :0) Scotty wrote: E-bay loves people like Joe. Does that mean you're not coming over to help with the boat? Heck, if Joes buys the beer, we should be able to get all that stuff knocked out in a weekend. DSK Looks pretty good from this angle: http://usauctions.com/images/items/F_6232_84050.JPG But this scratch might take a day or more to fix http://usauctions.com/images/items/F_6232_78675.JPG Joe |
1987 First 235 Great Deal
Joe wrote:
Looks pretty good from this angle: http://usauctions.com/images/items/F_6232_84050.JPG Clearly that one's the 'money shot' But this scratch might take a day or more to fix http://usauctions.com/images/items/F_6232_78675.JPG Uh-oh That's the 'CYA legal disclosure shot.' Actually, that could be fixed up as good as new... the prep would include building a cradle of full-frame molds to put the hull back into it's intended shape... not a simple of cheap task in itself... but it's not worth the effort or moeny since the rest of the boat is trashed. A shame, at one time that was somebody's dream boat. DSK |
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