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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant in older boats. Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of extras. Maxi, you may be impressed with extras. But brokers know that when you buy a nice piece of electronics, it's usually going to be a "gift" for the new owner. Electronics turnover is faster than ever now and prices continue to drop. Unless you sell before the electronics are 2-3 years old, they will be deemed "old" and an educated buyer won't pay for them. I know I didn't. Who's talking about electronics? I'm referring to myriad other upgrades. Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the asking price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed. Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors today, according to Practical Sailor. Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful of white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual. Painted boats, even classic ones, can be effected by age of paint regardless of the job quality. As a broker I know that a top level paint job could be a problem for buyers if it's more than 7-8 years old. Again, educated buyers will know that the paint may be coming to the end of it's lifecycle. Maxi, outside of your stories, there's just not a single ounce of evidence to support your nice story about the S34's value. It's a nice boat though. Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you think. Max |
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![]() Who's talking about electronics? Uh, you were. It helps to remember previous posts, Maxi. You spoke of your boat with all the electronics and bells and whistles. I'm referring to myriad other upgrades. That's nice, but few make much difference. Which ones...solid vang? Hydro-backstay? Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the asking price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed. Maxi repeats what I say, then calls me uninformed!!! BWAHAHAHAHA! Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you think. Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be a man for once in your life. Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url = RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be a man for once in your life. Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url = Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and not much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an additional $10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it would have brought at least another $10K. Thanks for supporting my argument. Max |
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![]() Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and not much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an additional $10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it would have brought at least another $10K. Thanks for supporting my argument. Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories. I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend. So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad. RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and not much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an additional $10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it would have brought at least another $10K. Thanks for supporting my argument. Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories. I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend. So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad. It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily because you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have any influence on the potential buyer. What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still be worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take. Unless you add some Sunbrella canvas and some serious upgrades, like a windlass, solar panels, inverter, new sails, and on and on ad nauseum, your boat will be hard to sell as well. So much for the vaunted 35s5. Max |
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![]() It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily because you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have any influence on the potential buyer. No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it. Every Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd take a Tartan 37 over it 100%. What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still be worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take. This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years? With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+, along with some Tartans and Sabres. 5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the average selling prices now. RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily because you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have any influence on the potential buyer. No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it. Only you and that wizard of wizards, BB. Every Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd take a Tartan 37 over it 100%. Good for you. You're not the type to want a traditional CCA-style boat, so I wouldn't expect you to buy a SS. My wife told me tonight that she recalls a SS34 recently on yachtworld.com that was well-equipped and listed for $65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time, implying that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your contentions about the boat. What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still be worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take. This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years? Sure. It's a Beneteau, it's newer, and it's still depreciating. I've seen no evidence that they have been appreciating, and the trend with boats in the same general category and age as yours is that they will continue to depreciate up to a point. If you use your boat without making constant improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as well, were we not making consistent upgrades. With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+, along with some Tartans and Sabres. Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres perhaps excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your Beneteau, and the newest boats keep going up in price. Beneteau has held the line pretty well on price, but then they are boats built to a price, not a cost-is-no-object boat. As I said, a boat with no upgrades and heavy use will continue to depreciate, regardless of who made it. 5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the average selling prices now. I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them in that price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above half that now. Max |