[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Once again your cluelessness is apparent. Age is virtually irrelevant
in
older boats. Condition, equipment, upgrades, and maintenance are
everything. Then again you'd probably by a beat up two-year old boat
because it was newer than an immaculate five-year old one with loads of

extras.



Maxi, you may be impressed with extras. But brokers know that when you
buy a nice piece of electronics, it's usually going to be a "gift" for
the new owner. Electronics turnover is faster than ever now and prices
continue to drop. Unless you sell before the electronics are 2-3 years
old, they will be deemed "old" and an educated buyer won't pay for
them. I know I didn't.

Who's talking about electronics? I'm referring to myriad other upgrades.
Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the asking
price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed.

Flag blue and forest green are the two most popular topside colors
today,
according to Practical Sailor. Tartan hasn't sold more than a handful
of
white hulls in the past six years. Clueless as usual.


Painted boats, even classic ones, can be effected by age of paint
regardless of the job quality. As a broker I know that a top level
paint job could be a problem for buyers if it's more than 7-8 years
old. Again, educated buyers will know that the paint may be coming to
the end of it's lifecycle.
Maxi, outside of your stories, there's just not a single ounce of
evidence to support your nice story about the S34's value. It's a nice
boat though.

Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you
think.

Max

[Capt. Rob]

Who's talking about electronics?


Uh, you were. It helps to remember previous posts, Maxi. You spoke of
your boat with all the electronics and bells and whistles.


I'm referring to myriad other upgrades.

That's nice, but few make much difference. Which ones...solid vang?
Hydro-backstay?


Electronics may help you sell a boat, but they won't add much to the
asking
price. For a supposed broker you are rather uninformed.

Maxi repeats what I say, then calls me uninformed!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!


Any need to support my testimony to you would imply that I care what you
think.


Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be
a man for once in your life.
Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =


RB
35s5
NY

[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well if that's the case STOP responding to these obvious trolls and be
a man for once in your life.
Meanwhile, THIS example is EXCELLENT and sold below 50K.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1791&url =

Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.

Max

[Capt. Rob]

Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and
not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an
additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it
would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.


Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you
claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value
over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories.
I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy
sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful
and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend.
So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with
your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad.


RB
35s5
NY

[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Not bad for an owner-finished boat with no equipment, dated canvas and
not
much of it, or upgrades. A factory boat would have brought an
additional
$10K. to $15K Add $40K of upgrades, including new sails, to it and it
would
have brought at least another $10K.

Thanks for supporting my argument.


Sorry, Maxi. There is no info, data or links to even hint at what you
claim. Until you can produce ANYTHING showing your boat has a value
over 60K in the real world, you're just telling stories.
I'd much rather have a Tartan 37 for that price, and so would most savy
sailors. I'm doing a canvas job for one at my club and it's beautiful
and faster than your boat, not to mention a cruising legend.
So stop your tall tales and produce some facts or just be happy with
your boat and stop trying to justify it's value with price. It's sad.

It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have any
influence on the potential buyer.

What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take. Unless you add some
Sunbrella canvas and some serious upgrades, like a windlass, solar panels,
inverter, new sails, and on and on ad nauseum, your boat will be hard to
sell as well.

So much for the vaunted 35s5.

Max

[Capt. Rob]

It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily
because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have
any
influence on the potential buyer.


No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it. Every
Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic
Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but
most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy
that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd
take a Tartan 37 over it 100%.

What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still
be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take.

This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has
gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats
went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years?
With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF
the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+,
along with some Tartans and Sabres.
5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the
average selling prices now.

RB
35s5
NY

[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

It's true. That you don't believe it matter not one whit, primarily
because
you aren't the one who will eventually buy this boat, nor will you have
any
influence on the potential buyer.


No one believes it because there's no evidence to support it.

Only you and that wizard of wizards, BB.

Every
Seasprite online is selling for much less. But you have the magic
Seasprite, right? These are stories that work on some dumb buyers, but
most don't fall for it. You're right about one thing, I won't ever buy
that boat. There are better choices, even in it's range and age. I'd
take a Tartan 37 over it 100%.

Good for you. You're not the type to want a traditional CCA-style boat, so
I wouldn't expect you to buy a SS. My wife told me tonight that she recalls
a SS34 recently on yachtworld.com that was well-equipped and listed for
$65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time, implying
that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your
contentions about the boat.


What is significant is that in another five years my boat will still
be
worth $60K+ and yours will be just another Beneteau with its healthy
depreciation, worth around $35K, give or take.

This pretty much proves you are clueless about the market. The 35s5 has
gone up in value over 5 years as prices for newer First series boats
went up. Care to explain how it will drop by nearly half in 5 years?

Sure. It's a Beneteau, it's newer, and it's still depreciating. I've seen
no evidence that they have been appreciating, and the trend with boats in
the same general category and age as yours is that they will continue to
depreciate up to a point. If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.

With sailboats depreciation is closely linked to current new market IF
the company is still around. Witness the 35s5, 38s5, 35.5, C&C 34+,
along with some Tartans and Sabres.

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your Beneteau,
and the newest boats keep going up in price. Beneteau has held the line
pretty well on price, but then they are boats built to a price, not a
cost-is-no-object boat. As I said, a boat with no upgrades and heavy use
will continue to depreciate, regardless of who made it.

5 years ago you could buy a nice clean 35s5 for 45-50K. Check the
average selling prices now.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above half
that now.

Max