Right, but she cannot start one without a doctor's order.


Uh, yeah...so? When will she be starting IV's on board?


Actually she can't, by law. IF she does, she's putting her license and
perhaps her neck on the legal line. She does so at her own risk.

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it. Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!


She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife. Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Right, but she cannot start one without a doctor's order.


Uh, yeah...so? When will she be starting IV's on board?


Actually she can't, by law. IF she does, she's putting her license and
perhaps her neck on the legal line. She does so at her own risk.

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it. Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such
procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!


She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife. Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.


She's been a nurse for less than 8 months and already she is expert in
emergency medicine, burn medicine and critical care.

Training is not experience.

She's been a nurse for less than 8 months and already she is expert in
emergency medicine, burn medicine and critical care.

Training is not experience.


She's at a top hospital, off student probation and with her own
patients. She's doing very well and has an eye towards the future.
Having her skills available is still a plus as I originally listed
them. She's part of our emergency inventory as it were!

Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for NOT taking
action? Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for taking
correct action? Did you know ANYONE can be sued after attempting
emergency care?

Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his attempted point.
Bob C, remember when you were clever by playing both sides? Now you're
just another stooge here like Scotty and Doug. Still worse.....you're
not even good at it. Maybe you need a vacation?



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for NOT taking
action? Did you know that doctors and nurses have been sued for taking
correct action? Did you know ANYONE can be sued after attempting
emergency care?


Obviously Suzy hasn't trained you well enough. As a matter of LAW, a nurse
or doctor is required to stop and render assisstance. Wasn't that revealed
to Sluzy as part of her extensive training?



Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his attempted point.
Bob C, remember when you were clever by playing both sides? Now you're
just another stooge here like Scotty and Doug. Still worse.....you're
not even good at it. Maybe you need a vacation?

You know you are over the target when there is flak.


Lloyd

New York Law:



SECTION 3000-A. EMERGENCY MEDICAL TREATMENT.

1.. Except as provided in subdivision six of section six thousand six
hundred eleven, subdivision two of section six thousand five hundred
twenty-seven, subdivision one of section six thousand nine hundred nine and
sections six thousand five hundred forty-seven and six thousand seven
hundred thirty-seven of the education law, any person who voluntarily and
without expectation of monetary compensation renders first aid or emergency
treatment at the scene of an accident or other emergency outside a hospital,
doctor's office or any other place having proper and necessary medical
equipment, to a person who is unconscious, ill, or injured, shall not be
liable for damages for injuries alleged to have been sustained by such
person or for damages for the death of such person alleged to have occurred
by reason of an act or omission in the rendering of such emergency treatment
unless it is established that such injuries were or such death was caused by
gross negligence on the part of such person. Nothing in this section shall
be deemed or construed to relieve a licensed physician, dentist, nurse,
physical therapist or registered physician's assistant from liability for
damages for injuries or death caused by an act or omission on the part of
such person while rendering professional services in the normal and ordinary
course of his or her practice.
2.. (i) A person who, or entity, partnership, corporation, firm or society
that, purchases or makes available resuscitation equipment that facilitate
first aid, an automated external defibrillator or an epinephrine
auto-injector device as required by law or local law, or (ii) the emergency
health care provider with a collaborative agreement under section three
thousand-b of this article with respect to an automated external
defibrillator, or (iii) the emergency health care provider with a
collaborative agreement under section three thousand-c of this article with
respect to use of an epinephrine auto-injector device shall not be liable
for damages arising either from the use of that equipment by a person who
voluntarily and without expectation of monetary compensation renders first
aid or emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or medical emergency,
or from the use of defectively manufactured equipment; provided that this
subdivision shall not limit the person's or entity's, partnership's,
corporation's, firm's, society's or the emergency health care provider's
liability for his, her or its own negligence, gross negligence or
intentional misconduct.

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

Maxi has no point and you don't even half 1/32 of his
attempted point.


That would be 1/64, stupid.


--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.
http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Duh!!! Anyone who renders medical aid does so at legal risk, dummy!
Better to have an RN try if it comes to that. Good lord!

Nope. Properly-trained people can render first aid and are protected under
good samaritan laws provided the standards of care are met. The scope of
the first aid given is the issue here. You can render as much first aid as
your wife can, but neither you nor she can perform medical procedures
without legal risk.


She's the director of the step-down unit (intermediate care, and
ICU-overflow) in the largest hospital in South Bend, IN. She's worked
as a
nurse in ICU, CCU, PICU, med-surg, orthopaedics, and has taught
pediatrics
in a nursing school. She's also worked as the director of nursing in
two
long-term care facilities. She's published many professional
periodical
articles and has co-authored two books on pediatric intensive care
nursing.


I see, so no ER training at the hospital or in the field. Keep her off
my boat!

Not to worry. Among her greater attributes is the ability to detect fools
and idiots when she sees them.


Are you implying there is something wrong with Hatians? You're
quite a
racist and a bigot for a liberal.

No, I'm just not a politically correct toad like you to not admit the
reality of it.

Which equals racist.

Are you aware that the Hatian schooling is basically on
a CCP level in many cases? Are you aware that these same "nurses" often
have very limited language skills and zero understanding of EC for
patients? Upper end hospitals use them in reduced capacity.

How many times do I have to say this: if a nurse performs such
procedures
in the field without medical approval, she does so at the peril of her
license.

I guess your will have to let you die then! Buh bye.
This is not about legality. It's about the ability to take positive
action in a medical emergency. We now ALL KNOW your wife will avoid
that lawsuit at the expense of others.
Good one, Maxi! Let's see you backpedal out of it!

Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.

She also took a special series of courses in burn care and
emergency treatment which was part of her deal in St. Francis, all part
of her Critical Care focus.


Wooo, wooo. Sounds as if she's had a fairly typical education.

Burn care is a specific area of nursing. Ask your wife.

I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Nursing is now
finely broken down into specialized areas. Suzanne plans to study
several more before going for Nurse Practitioner.

Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?


See above. My daughter is also an RN (BSN, MSN) in an intensive
care unit
in a major Indianapolis hospital. My mother was an RN as well.

Wow. Suzanne is already talking about stepping up the ladder. Some
folks are happy with being a nurse and that's a fine choice.

My daughter is a Clinical Nurse Specialist in both ICU and OB and is about
to undertake schooling to become a Nurse Anesthetist. Nurse Practioners--a
declining specialty--work under her supervision. And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Max

"Reverend Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
New York Law:



SECTION 3000-A. EMERGENCY MEDICAL TREATMENT.

1.. Except as provided in subdivision six of section six thousand six
hundred eleven, subdivision two of section six thousand five hundred
twenty-seven, subdivision one of section six thousand nine hundred nine
and sections six thousand five hundred forty-seven and six thousand seven
hundred thirty-seven of the education law, any person who voluntarily and
without expectation of monetary compensation renders first aid or
emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or other emergency outside
a hospital, doctor's office or any other place having proper and necessary
medical equipment, to a person who is unconscious, ill, or injured, shall
not be liable for damages for injuries alleged to have been sustained by
such person or for damages for the death of such person alleged to have
occurred by reason of an act or omission in the rendering of such
emergency treatment unless it is established that such injuries were or
such death was caused by gross negligence on the part of such person.
Nothing in this section shall be deemed or construed to relieve a licensed
physician, dentist, nurse, physical therapist or registered physician's
assistant from liability for damages for injuries or death caused by an
act or omission on the part of such person while rendering professional
services in the normal and ordinary course of his or her practice.
2.. (i) A person who, or entity, partnership, corporation, firm or
society that, purchases or makes available resuscitation equipment that
facilitate first aid, an automated external defibrillator or an
epinephrine auto-injector device as required by law or local law, or (ii)
the emergency health care provider with a collaborative agreement under
section three thousand-b of this article with respect to an automated
external defibrillator, or (iii) the emergency health care provider with a
collaborative agreement under section three thousand-c of this article
with respect to use of an epinephrine auto-injector device shall not be
liable for damages arising either from the use of that equipment by a
person who voluntarily and without expectation of monetary compensation
renders first aid or emergency treatment at the scene of an accident or
medical emergency, or from the use of defectively manufactured equipment;
provided that this subdivision shall not limit the person's or entity's,
partnership's, corporation's, firm's, society's or the emergency health
care provider's liability for his, her or its own negligence, gross
negligence or intentional misconduct.

The so-called "good samaritan law."

Max

Nope. Properly-trained people can render first aid and are protected under
good samaritan laws provided the standards of care are met. The scope of
the first aid given is the issue here. You can render as much first aid as
your wife can, but neither you nor she can perform medical procedures
without legal risk.

I can't believe you're droning on about legal risk. If someone aboard
is injured and Suzanne is their best hope, she'll render aid regardless
of legal factors. What kind of "nurse" are you married to that wouldn't
do this?


Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.
BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon. My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.



Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.


Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.
I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway. Sounds
like my wife, who volunteered for two years as a CCP while working in
publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.


I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.


Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.


Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Yeah, I'm choking!!! Help, missus Maxipad! Oh...cough, cough...damn
lawsuits!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Maxi, nice job of shooting you and your 1st lady with
the same bullet!


RB
35s5
NY

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


I can't believe you're droning on about legal risk. If someone aboard
is injured and Suzanne is their best hope, she'll render aid regardless
of legal factors. What kind of "nurse" are you married to that wouldn't
do this?

So your wife disregards the law? All she can legally do is save the life,
she can't treat an ailment. You are saying she will treat them regardless of
the law.




Which equals racist.

Like said. Your brainwashed. Saying a black man has dark skin is not
racist. And saying the these Hatian nurses are generally pretty awful.

Racist! One is a genetic trait, another is lack of aptitude based upon race.
RB the racist!


BTW, we have three doctors in our family, one is a renowned heart
specialist and another a now retired brain surgeon.

Yawn!

My best friend's
wife is a nurse practitioner with her own practice. You did know that a
NP can start a practice, right? Quite a leap from a lowly nurse when
there's a specialty.

Is there a nurse practitioner in the house?





Either my wife or I will render the necessary care to each other or to
our
family members. But if YOU were on our boat and needed a trache, adios
amigo.

Will he take the hook?



Sorry, my wife would not hesitate to try to save a life if she was the
best chance. She or I would not blink because it's not a family member.

Do you know that for sure? Is she that much of an enabler/co-dependent? I
guess so since she supports you.


I guess she's just too young in her career to do otherwise. If she did
behave like your wife, she'd probably just want to quit anyway. Sounds
like my wife, who volunteered for two years as a CCP while working in
publishing had a calling. Your wife sought a paycheck.

aahahahahahahaa!!!!!!




I did. She says it's a routine nursing school subject.

Let's hope you DIDN'T ask your wife. She'd have a clue that there are
advanced training classes in burn treatment that are from from
standard.

Is that the class Suzzette took?



Good for her. As she grows educationally and professionally, I wonder
what
her perception of an uneducated, stagnated husband will be?

See above comment. She will help anyone without judgement or conditions. RB
is her unconditional love.



Why, planning on having me near fatally stabbed near your wife so you
can marry Suzanne? BWahahaha!

Those dark circles under the eyes! Zombie!


And by the way
Bubbles--Nurse Practioners are still nurses.

A NP can do a LOT more than a RN can. She can open a practice, hand out
meds on TT diagnosis and make 6 figures out of the box. We know this
first hand of course.

Yes, she can do all that and more - in Mexico!




Give it up, Bubbles--you're way in over your head here.

Yeah, I'm choking!!! Help, missus Maxipad! Oh...cough, cough...damn
lawsuits!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Maxi, nice job of shooting you and your 1st lady with
the same bullet!

RB does not know NY good samaritan law.