Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch at all times.

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Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

Designated, as in, must be on the charts, right? Not just a
popular anchorage, like some people assume.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required*
to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need
to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any
other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and
you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch
at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
..

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the
time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo,
and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept
the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure
you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor
light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range
alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will
allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that
will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the
sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30
kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is
needed.

jOE

Scotty wrote:
Designated, as in, must be on the charts, right? Not just a
popular anchorage, like some people assume.

Scotty

Right. Here we have no pleasure boat designated anchorages, unless you
want to anchor with 10-20 600ft+ plus ships swinging and shifting and
coming and going all the time. We have the Bolivar designated anchorage
here near the galveston jetties, and a couple near the shipping lane
junctions about 10 miles out.

Joe




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required*
to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

If you're confident in your holding ability, do you need
to keep a watch?
What about in a designated anchorage? What about in any
other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and
you're not confident
of your holding. If true, then I agree, you need a watch
at all times.

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"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the
time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo,
and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept
the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that
includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need
someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone
needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure
you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor
light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range
alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will
allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that
will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the
sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30
kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is
needed.

jOE

Capt. JG wrote:
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

No.

If you're confident in your holding ability,

Thats not the point, holding is just a small part of the package, Tide,
wind, and traffic and on my boat machinery running. If you have more
than one person why not set a watch?

do you need to keep a watch? Yes



What about in a designated anchorage?

Same thing and more, what if a ship anchoring hits you, swings into
you, ect

What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not confident
of your holding.

Unless you are going to be able to rule the anchorage here you dont
want to even think of designated anchorages. They are full of ships
that would crunch you in a heart beat.

Anywhere in the gulf of mexico, no matter how confident I'm of the
anchor holding, or even tied to a rig, someone is going to be awake in
the wheelhouse on watch. We have fast storms, fast boats and ships,
currents, tides, shrimpers, siesmic, water spouts, and a hundred other
things you need to be on your toes to deal with. You wanna sleep
offshore go ahead...good riddence.

Around 0300 early one morn I missed a guy sleeping in a sailboat by
about 16 inches on a moonless night in the Gulf. I had 300+ tons moving
13 kts and because I have superior night vision and have been trained
how to stand watch on a pitch black night I picked him out just in time
to miss him. This asshole had a coleman type pump up gas lantern for an
anchor light and it had run out of pressure to burn. I'm not
****ting... I was dead on him at 200 ft and had to counter swing the
stern to keep it from hitting him. I came about fired up the
searchlights got on the PA and called him everything nasty I could
think of as he pumped up his cheap**** lantern. His boat was about 30
ft and I wipped a wicked 8ft 13 kt wake on his ass. I bet that dickhead
never slept offshore again without a watch.

You do as you please. Ignorance leads to a blissful happy deep sleep.

Joe




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Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
If you're in a designated anchorage, you're not *required* to have a
light.
Are you disagreeing with this?

No.

Good. :-)


If you're confident in your holding ability,

Thats not the point, holding is just a small part of the package, Tide,
wind, and traffic and on my boat machinery running. If you have more
than one person why not set a watch?

Actually, that is the point. If you're confident with your situation, tide,
etc., then there's no reason to keep a watch.

do you need to keep a watch? Yes



What about in a designated anchorage?

Same thing and more, what if a ship anchoring hits you, swings into
you, ect

Well, there's always what if... but there is the issue of practicality. The
BVIs are a good example. If I'm moored, I'm not going to set a watch. If I'm
anchored in a good spot, I'm not going to set a watch. If I'm not in a good
spot, which has happened, then I for sure set a watch.

What about in any other place? Sounds
like you're not in a designated anchorage offshore and you're not
confident
of your holding.

Unless you are going to be able to rule the anchorage here you dont
want to even think of designated anchorages. They are full of ships
that would crunch you in a heart beat.

No, but I can be reasonably confident to the point of knowing that the
chances of something happening are quite low.

Anywhere in the gulf of mexico, no matter how confident I'm of the
anchor holding, or even tied to a rig, someone is going to be awake in
the wheelhouse on watch. We have fast storms, fast boats and ships,
currents, tides, shrimpers, siesmic, water spouts, and a hundred other
things you need to be on your toes to deal with. You wanna sleep
offshore go ahead...good riddence.

Don't sail there, so I can't comment. Out here, there are good places and
bad places and stupid places.

Around 0300 early one morn I missed a guy sleeping in a sailboat by
about 16 inches on a moonless night in the Gulf. I had 300+ tons moving
13 kts and because I have superior night vision and have been trained
how to stand watch on a pitch black night I picked him out just in time
to miss him. This asshole had a coleman type pump up gas lantern for an
anchor light and it had run out of pressure to burn. I'm not
****ting... I was dead on him at 200 ft and had to counter swing the
stern to keep it from hitting him. I came about fired up the
searchlights got on the PA and called him everything nasty I could
think of as he pumped up his cheap**** lantern. His boat was about 30
ft and I wipped a wicked 8ft 13 kt wake on his ass. I bet that dickhead
never slept offshore again without a watch.

Sounds about right. :-)

You do as you please. Ignorance leads to a blissful happy deep sleep.

Fortunately, I'm not ignorant. :-)

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although
it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring
and
conditions are mellow.

I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.

Otherwise, you need to have an anchor watch,
typically every 1/2 hour or hour or perhaps all the time, depending on
the
conditions.

all the time, awake IMO offshore. Unless you are solo, and thats a
choice you make and deal with...you just have to accept the added
danger. Solo I'd say you never sleep you nap.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.

JimC wrote:
What's a good but inexpensive portable GPS that includes
an anchor alarm?

Jim

Any magellian GPS will work and show movement.

If you are on anchor or stopped at sea you need someone on
watch. No if
and or butts about it.

Weather you are on anchor or tied to a rig someone needs
to be awake
and on watch.


When you're single handing?

No, when you are single handling you better be sure you are
anchored,
or tied to a bouy and have a very bright anchor light. Single
handling
involves a radar watCh and you sleep with the range alaRm set. Or
you
set an alarm that will wake you on a time that will allow you to
prevent collision. In other words set an alarm that will arouse you
at
brfore your best speed + the fasetet ship on the sea.. My guess the
other part of the figuring should be a ship at 30 kts. If you are
single handling and sleeping a radar alarm or CPA is needed.

jOE

Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously?
Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

Jim

Jim

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Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated
anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of
your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I
mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water
to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I
only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than
getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your
anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in
8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a
platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in
weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with
no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a
cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil
platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the
platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you
only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation
continuously?
Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in
that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless
steel of course.


''stainless steel''? that's a good one, Jim.


SV

JimC wrote:
Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so,
how do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change?

Yes we do. Thats why someone is awake all the time in the wheelhouse.
You hang off relying on wind and, or current to hold you off the rig.
Not many production platforms have back down bouys to hold you off.

(Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this
when you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously?

Yes

Somehow I don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of
situation as Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

I've seen 1 " thick steel torn open like a sardine can just bumping up
against a Jack-up's legs teeth. Not only do you FU the boat, the oil
company will fire you, they get scared when you start rocking and
bumping them.

Joe

Jim

Jim

Jim, Joe has a steel boat. He doesn't have to worry about a stinkin oil rig.
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Joe wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:

You don't need an anchor light in a designated anchorage, although it's a
good idea.

You don't need someone on watch if you're confident of your anchoring and
conditions are mellow.


I have to dis-agree with you Jon. When I say at sea I mean in the Gulf
of Mexico here. It's easy to have shallow enough water to anchor as far
out is 15-25 miles in places. Under 100 ft for me, I only carry 325 ft
of chain. I'm less worried about dragging anchor than getting run down
by a commerical vessel. If you do drag, or lose your anchor all
together with a 6 kt current could carry 48 miles in 8hrs with a fair
chance of hitting a platform. We normally tie to a platform offshore,
or use field bouys. Platform it's a must. any shift in weather can put
you into the legs ect. Myself I can not sleep easy with no one on
watch, even on my own boat. Now if you were inland in a cozy cove it's
a totally different story.


Joe, are you saying you tie up to one of the oil platforms, and if so, how
do you keep your boat from swinging into parts of the platform when
currents change? (Might be hard on the mast.) Or, do you only do this when
you maintain a watch to monitor the situation continuously? Somehow I
don't think my little boat would fare as well in that kind of situation as
Red Cloud, built of reinforced stainless steel of course.

Jim

Jim