Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would have known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were you? You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

[Image]
Image Description =
Make = NIKON CORPORATION
Model = NIKON D70
Orientation = top/left
X Resolution = 72
Y Resolution = 72
Resolution Unit = inch
Software = OLYMPUS CAMEDIA Master
Date Time = 2006-07-09 21:13:50
YCbCr Positioning = co-sited
Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 234

Perhaps you think, in anticipation of this debate, that I reset the
camera's settings? It wouldn't shock me to see you go out on that limb.
Bottom line: I'm the only one with ANY proof of sailing Sunday the 9th.

Second....Dave's weather comments don't match what is reported on the
weather links. Period. Mine do. But I know it's possible for one end of
the LIS to have vastly different weather. Somehow you don't! And you've
admitted to it!!! See #3.

Third...You and Dave seem to think that weather on the LIS is the same
everywhere. This not only casts doubt on Dave's comments, but on yours
as well. Have you ever really sailed the LIS??? Doesn't seem possible
after your comments.

Fourth...Dave gave a goofy sailing report and CWM called him on it
perfectly, right down to getting the navaids wrong. But you believe
Dave's system of using local names in place of actual chart info is
fine? Oh, okay! I'm betting you know where Big Tom is, but do you know
Baby Betty? Hint: It's near Oyster bay and not on the chart. Snap out
of it, Jeff.

Fifth....A CS27 weighs close to what a Catalina 27 SR does and has
about the same sail area or less. It also carries more beam. It's NOT
known to be a terribly tender boat. Guess what, Jeff? I've sailed a
CS27 and you have no clue. It's more tender than a Catalina 27, but not
by much. Check sailcalc if you're in doubt. In fact, the CS27 is LESS
tender than the Catalina as it hardens up nicely around 15%. There were
no wind conditions to knock the 27 to 20% in Dave's area....and not on
a run or a reach! Max wind speed for his area was only 10 knots!

Sixth...he never mentions going dead downwind, only setting the chute
for the trip back. But he also NEVER mentions being on a beam reach so
you're only guessing about his set. On a run or on a reach, there were
no conditions for a CS27 to heel to 20%, Jeff. Wake up

Jeff, you jumped right into the frying pan. Oh and here's a review of
the el-cheapo CS 27:
http://www.cymagazine.ca/onlineExclu...veKeyword=2 8

Not exactly a Pearson 26 type tender boat, now is she, Jeff????
HMMMMMM?


Good lord....Bob C. Help them!!!!!!! Do something! I feel guilty at
this point...no more room in the pan!




RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would have known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were you? You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

[Image]
...
Date Time = 2006-07-09 21:13:50

You just busted yourself! The time tag on that picture is for 9:13
PM. However, you posted on this board that night at 9:07 PM! And the
water certainly doesn't look like its blowing 30 knots! This
certainly doesn't support any claim that you went sailing in 30 knots
that day.

Your story is starting to unravel like a cheap sweater!


Perhaps you think, in anticipation of this debate, that I reset the
camera's settings?

No, I think you can't tell time.

It wouldn't shock me to see you go out on that limb.
Bottom line: I'm the only one with ANY proof of sailing Sunday the 9th.

This doesn't prove anything. You're not in the picture. The time is
bogus (sunset was a 8:30), the water shows no wind.

I wasn't sailing on Sunday PM, I was at the theater watching Pirates 2
- fun movie, BTW. However, I had just got back from a week long trip
where we actually sailed out on the ocean. You should try it some
time, lots of fun! In a week we're off for two weeks down around the
Vineyard. The wen still have a 3 week block to figure out.

These were at Great Misery Island, one of the nicest spots in Salem Sound:
http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0665.jpg
http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0684_edited.jpg
(Yes I know the PFD is unzipped, we had words about that. She was
actually in about a foot of water with mother and father 10 feet away.
She now has a larger PFD, more suitable to paddling.)



Second....Dave's weather comments don't match what is reported on the
weather links. Period. Mine do.

No they don't. Yes, the wind did pick up in the late evening, as your
friends probably told you. However, the Kings Point station, the
nearby National Data Buoy Center's station, operated by the NOAA
National Ocean Service, reports high sustained winds of 16 with peak
gusts of 22 knots. This does not support your claim that it "was
gusting to 30 knots for about two hours." Even LGA, 8 miles away in a
different geography, only reported a gust to 24.

But I know it's possible for one end of
the LIS to have vastly different weather. Somehow you don't! And you've
admitted to it!!! See #3.

I was never trying to defend Dave's claim. In fact, he said he saw 10
knots and a bit more for a period, which does match his local reports.

All I did was prove that your claim of sailing in 30 knots was bogus.



Third...You and Dave seem to think that weather on the LIS is the same
everywhere. This not only casts doubt on Dave's comments, but on yours
as well. Have you ever really sailed the LIS??? Doesn't seem possible
after your comments.

Right, Booby. You seem totally unaware that Kings Point, the national
Merchant Marine Academy, is only two miles from City Island. You keep
claiming that your local weather station is La Guardia Airport, 8
miles away on the East River.

I don't have much occasion to sail on the Western Sound nowadays, but
I have passed through several times in recent years. I've also done
a few deliveries and charters in the area. However, most of my real
sailing there was 40 years ago on the collegiate racing circuit.

But I do know how to read a chart, while clearly you don't.


Fourth...Dave gave a goofy sailing report and CWM called him on it
perfectly, right down to getting the navaids wrong. But you believe
Dave's system of using local names in place of actual chart info is
fine? Oh, okay! I'm betting you know where Big Tom is, but do you know
Baby Betty? Hint: It's near Oyster bay and not on the chart. Snap out
of it, Jeff.

CWM was totally wrong. He was goofing on Dave and everyone except you
knew it! You still haven't figured out the the "official name" of a
navaid is a number that no one knows! In fact, most of the major
buoys in New England have been around longer then the word "navaid" -
I have 140 year old charts of Boston Harbor that show buoys in the
same places they are today. It wouldn't surprise me if this buoy has
been known as "Bell 8" for 50 or 100 years. Further, its actually
listed on the chart as Bell 8, right where Dave said, and is the only
one in CT.


Fifth....A CS27 weighs close to what a Catalina 27 SR does and has
about the same sail area or less. It also carries more beam. It's NOT
known to be a terribly tender boat. Guess what, Jeff? I've sailed a
CS27 and you have no clue. It's more tender than a Catalina 27, but not
by much. Check sailcalc if you're in doubt. In fact, the CS27 is LESS
tender than the Catalina as it hardens up nicely around 15%. There were
no wind conditions to knock the 27 to 20% in Dave's area....and not on
a run or a reach! Max wind speed for his area was only 10 knots!

blah blah blah - lots of made up salesman talk from a pathological
liar. Didn't I say I wasn't familiar with the boat? Didn't you say
the wind in his area gusted to 13? And what would it matter if it
only heeled to 19 degrees? You're grasping here, having totally lost
on all counts you're now trying to claim some small victory.
Remember, you claimed Dave must have been going downwind in order to
fly a chute, proving you've never actually used a spinnaker.


Sixth...he never mentions going dead downwind, only setting the chute
for the trip back. But he also NEVER mentions being on a beam reach so
you're only guessing about his set.

He describes his course. Since you claim to have out that day you
should have known it was a beam reach. Regardless, he was just
criss-crossing the sound and could have taken any course.

On a run or on a reach, there were
no conditions for a CS27 to heel to 20%, Jeff. Wake up

I'm not so sure of the. 20 degrees is not that much.


Jeff, you jumped right into the frying pan. Oh and here's a review of
the el-cheapo CS 27:
http://www.cymagazine.ca/onlineExclu...veKeyword=2 8

Not exactly a Pearson 26 type tender boat, now is she, Jeff????
HMMMMMM?

HMMMMM??? So does this really mean the a 13 knot puff can't knock the
boat 20 degrees? I think any experienced sailor would say that's at
least feasible. I looked at the numbers for my old Nonsuch, a rather
beamy and heavy boat. In 14 knots, at 70 degrees true, it heels more
than 20 degrees. At 80T its 14 degrees. Every sailor knows that a
gust of wind can knock a boat 5 or 10 degrees more than its "steady
state" amount, so this agrees pretty closely with Dave's statement:
"Wind stayed around 10kts until around 5:00, when it briefly picked up
a little. Actually heeled about 20 deg a couple of times with the
Genny up." Remember, at this point Dave didn't have the chute up,
so he could easily be on a close reach.

You've been grasping at straws here, trying to make a case where none
exists. But at every turn you show yourself to be quite ignorant of
every aspect of boating.

Good lord....Bob C. Help them!!!!!!! Do something! I feel guilty at
this point...no more room in the pan!

Well, you could get out.

Woooo Jeff.... Nice SMACK-DOWN!!!!

Bobsprit is still picking Mackerel Scales off his cheeks!!


CM-

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would have known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were you? You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

[Image]
...
Date Time = 2006-07-09 21:13:50

You just busted yourself! The time tag on that picture is for 9:13 PM.
However, you posted on this board that night at 9:07 PM! And the water
certainly doesn't look like its blowing 30 knots! This certainly doesn't
support any claim that you went sailing in 30 knots that day.

Your story is starting to unravel like a cheap sweater!


Perhaps you think, in anticipation of this debate, that I reset the
camera's settings?

No, I think you can't tell time.

It wouldn't shock me to see you go out on that limb.
Bottom line: I'm the only one with ANY proof of sailing Sunday the 9th.

This doesn't prove anything. You're not in the picture. The time is
bogus (sunset was a 8:30), the water shows no wind.

I wasn't sailing on Sunday PM, I was at the theater watching Pirates 2 -
fun movie, BTW. However, I had just got back from a week long trip where
we actually sailed out on the ocean. You should try it some time, lots of
fun! In a week we're off for two weeks down around the Vineyard. The wen
still have a 3 week block to figure out.

These were at Great Misery Island, one of the nicest spots in Salem Sound:
http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0665.jpg
http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0684_edited.jpg
(Yes I know the PFD is unzipped, we had words about that. She was
actually in about a foot of water with mother and father 10 feet away. She
now has a larger PFD, more suitable to paddling.)



Second....Dave's weather comments don't match what is reported on the
weather links. Period. Mine do.

No they don't. Yes, the wind did pick up in the late evening, as your
friends probably told you. However, the Kings Point station, the nearby
National Data Buoy Center's station, operated by the NOAA National Ocean
Service, reports high sustained winds of 16 with peak gusts of 22 knots.
This does not support your claim that it "was gusting to 30 knots for
about two hours." Even LGA, 8 miles away in a different geography, only
reported a gust to 24.

But I know it's possible for one end of
the LIS to have vastly different weather. Somehow you don't! And you've
admitted to it!!! See #3.

I was never trying to defend Dave's claim. In fact, he said he saw 10
knots and a bit more for a period, which does match his local reports.

All I did was prove that your claim of sailing in 30 knots was bogus.



Third...You and Dave seem to think that weather on the LIS is the same
everywhere. This not only casts doubt on Dave's comments, but on yours
as well. Have you ever really sailed the LIS??? Doesn't seem possible
after your comments.

Right, Booby. You seem totally unaware that Kings Point, the national
Merchant Marine Academy, is only two miles from City Island. You keep
claiming that your local weather station is La Guardia Airport, 8 miles
away on the East River.

I don't have much occasion to sail on the Western Sound nowadays, but I
have passed through several times in recent years. I've also done a few
deliveries and charters in the area. However, most of my real sailing
there was 40 years ago on the collegiate racing circuit.

But I do know how to read a chart, while clearly you don't.


Fourth...Dave gave a goofy sailing report and CWM called him on it
perfectly, right down to getting the navaids wrong. But you believe
Dave's system of using local names in place of actual chart info is
fine? Oh, okay! I'm betting you know where Big Tom is, but do you know
Baby Betty? Hint: It's near Oyster bay and not on the chart. Snap out
of it, Jeff.

CWM was totally wrong. He was goofing on Dave and everyone except you
knew it! You still haven't figured out the the "official name" of a
navaid is a number that no one knows! In fact, most of the major buoys in
New England have been around longer then the word "navaid" - I have 140
year old charts of Boston Harbor that show buoys in the same places they
are today. It wouldn't surprise me if this buoy has been known as "Bell
8" for 50 or 100 years. Further, its actually listed on the chart as Bell
8, right where Dave said, and is the only one in CT.


Fifth....A CS27 weighs close to what a Catalina 27 SR does and has
about the same sail area or less. It also carries more beam. It's NOT
known to be a terribly tender boat. Guess what, Jeff? I've sailed a
CS27 and you have no clue. It's more tender than a Catalina 27, but not
by much. Check sailcalc if you're in doubt. In fact, the CS27 is LESS
tender than the Catalina as it hardens up nicely around 15%. There were
no wind conditions to knock the 27 to 20% in Dave's area....and not on
a run or a reach! Max wind speed for his area was only 10 knots!

blah blah blah - lots of made up salesman talk from a pathological liar.
Didn't I say I wasn't familiar with the boat? Didn't you say the wind in
his area gusted to 13? And what would it matter if it only heeled to 19
degrees? You're grasping here, having totally lost on all counts you're
now trying to claim some small victory. Remember, you claimed Dave must
have been going downwind in order to fly a chute, proving you've never
actually used a spinnaker.


Sixth...he never mentions going dead downwind, only setting the chute
for the trip back. But he also NEVER mentions being on a beam reach so
you're only guessing about his set.

He describes his course. Since you claim to have out that day you should
have known it was a beam reach. Regardless, he was just criss-crossing
the sound and could have taken any course.

On a run or on a reach, there were
no conditions for a CS27 to heel to 20%, Jeff. Wake up

I'm not so sure of the. 20 degrees is not that much.


Jeff, you jumped right into the frying pan. Oh and here's a review of
the el-cheapo CS 27:
http://www.cymagazine.ca/onlineExclu...veKeyword=2 8

Not exactly a Pearson 26 type tender boat, now is she, Jeff????
HMMMMMM?

HMMMMM??? So does this really mean the a 13 knot puff can't knock the
boat 20 degrees? I think any experienced sailor would say that's at least
feasible. I looked at the numbers for my old Nonsuch, a rather beamy and
heavy boat. In 14 knots, at 70 degrees true, it heels more than 20
degrees. At 80T its 14 degrees. Every sailor knows that a gust of wind
can knock a boat 5 or 10 degrees more than its "steady state" amount, so
this agrees pretty closely with Dave's statement: "Wind stayed around
10kts until around 5:00, when it briefly picked up a little. Actually
heeled about 20 deg a couple of times with the Genny up." Remember, at
this point Dave didn't have the chute up, so he could easily be on a close
reach.

You've been grasping at straws here, trying to make a case where none
exists. But at every turn you show yourself to be quite ignorant of every
aspect of boating.

Good lord....Bob C. Help them!!!!!!! Do something! I feel guilty at
this point...no more room in the pan!

Well, you could get out.

Nice pics Jeff. Looks like a lot of tidal range there, no?

Do the ducks 'beg' there. In some anchorage's off the
Chessie, you can watch the ducks go from boat to boat
begging for food.

Scotty



"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had
you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would
have known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were
you? You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam
reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a
picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

Scotty wrote:
Nice pics Jeff. Looks like a lot of tidal range there, no?

Yes, tide range in Boston is about 9-10 feet. It gets a tad more as
you go East, but then grows dramatically down East.


Do the ducks 'beg' there. In some anchorage's off the
Chessie, you can watch the ducks go from boat to boat
begging for food.

Yah, this cove fills up with 50 or more boat on the weekends, so the
ducks have learned to beg. That's why they were willing to be chased
by my daughter. The trick is to get food to the ducklings before the
seagulls swoop in.

Wipe your lips Robert, there's is still a tiny bit of bull**** around
your mouth.

BTW did you eat an extra large bowl of stupid this morning?

Capt. Joe


Rob wrote:
Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would have known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were you? You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

[Image]
Image Description =
Make = NIKON CORPORATION
Model = NIKON D70
Orientation = top/left
X Resolution = 72
Y Resolution = 72
Resolution Unit = inch
Software = OLYMPUS CAMEDIA Master
Date Time = 2006-07-09 21:13:50
YCbCr Positioning = co-sited
Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 234

Perhaps you think, in anticipation of this debate, that I reset the
camera's settings? It wouldn't shock me to see you go out on that limb.
Bottom line: I'm the only one with ANY proof of sailing Sunday the 9th.

Second....Dave's weather comments don't match what is reported on the
weather links. Period. Mine do. But I know it's possible for one end of
the LIS to have vastly different weather. Somehow you don't! And you've
admitted to it!!! See #3.

Third...You and Dave seem to think that weather on the LIS is the same
everywhere. This not only casts doubt on Dave's comments, but on yours
as well. Have you ever really sailed the LIS??? Doesn't seem possible
after your comments.

Fourth...Dave gave a goofy sailing report and CWM called him on it
perfectly, right down to getting the navaids wrong. But you believe
Dave's system of using local names in place of actual chart info is
fine? Oh, okay! I'm betting you know where Big Tom is, but do you know
Baby Betty? Hint: It's near Oyster bay and not on the chart. Snap out
of it, Jeff.

Fifth....A CS27 weighs close to what a Catalina 27 SR does and has
about the same sail area or less. It also carries more beam. It's NOT
known to be a terribly tender boat. Guess what, Jeff? I've sailed a
CS27 and you have no clue. It's more tender than a Catalina 27, but not
by much. Check sailcalc if you're in doubt. In fact, the CS27 is LESS
tender than the Catalina as it hardens up nicely around 15%. There were
no wind conditions to knock the 27 to 20% in Dave's area....and not on
a run or a reach! Max wind speed for his area was only 10 knots!

Sixth...he never mentions going dead downwind, only setting the chute
for the trip back. But he also NEVER mentions being on a beam reach so
you're only guessing about his set. On a run or on a reach, there were
no conditions for a CS27 to heel to 20%, Jeff. Wake up

Jeff, you jumped right into the frying pan. Oh and here's a review of
the el-cheapo CS 27:
http://www.cymagazine.ca/onlineExclu...veKeyword=2 8

Not exactly a Pearson 26 type tender boat, now is she, Jeff????
HMMMMMM?


Good lord....Bob C. Help them!!!!!!! Do something! I feel guilty at
this point...no more room in the pan!




RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
Also, he never said he was going downwind. In fact, had
you actually
been out sailing anywhere on the sound then you would have
known that
was a beam reach. You really weren't out there, were you?
You do
realize that its possible to carry a chute on a beam
reach? No?



Well..well, well! Where shall I start?
First let's look at the most obvious thing. I posted a
picture, Jeff.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tsail1weby.jpg
Can you read EXIF data? It shows the following:

[Image]
Image Description =
WIND SPEED = 30 mph
Model = NIKON D70
BOAT SPEED = 18 kts
ANGLE of HEEL = 4*
Date Time = 2006-07-09 21:13:50
Best Boat = Farts of Gold
Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 234

Wow, that's a cool camera!

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Bottom line: I'm the only one with ANY proof of sailing
Sunday the 9th.


You're the only one here that needs to prove anything.